Unclear on the concept...

[JoonyO]

Question for those who know...If a vial of 30mg tests at 36mg is one to assume all vials from a batch tested are the same? And being over 30 would one adjust the bac water to get the dose correct? I mean it seems to me that you would but I'm new to this and am trying to find out the consensus. 😬 🫡

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[byefatlicia]

We were just talking about this. follow this link🙂

Lab results meaning

I am seeing on this test several different mg and percentages. Not trying to be dumb but I am assuming that they tested 4 different vials and each contained the amounts shown correct? And if that is the case when I am using a pep calculator should I just round up the number to say 12mg to make...

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[JoonyO]

I read it, tyvm. 😀I don't see the question I have being addressed there though. It only addressed the 4 vials tested in that test with CLOSE to the 12mg being in each. In THAT CASE I, too, would just call it 12 and be done with it.
The way I read mine ( 36 out of 30 ) is almost 20% over. No?
Or am I stupider than I thought?

 

[peptideusername]

I read it, tyvm. 😀I don't see the question I have being addressed there though. It only addressed the 4 vials tested in that test with CLOSE to the 12mg being in each. In THAT CASE I, too, would just call it 12 and be done with it.
The way I read mine ( 36 out of 30 ) is almost 20% over. No?
Or am I stupider than I thought?

You're right on the overage math, but in that other post, we don't really know what the vial is supposed to be.
If it's supposed to be 10mg, then theirs is 20% over as well. The difference being that they had four vials tested, and that gives a lot of insight into the variability (or lack there of) between vials of the same kit/batch. With those results, you can create a trend line and be fairly confident to use 12. (As long as it's third party tests and not from the vendor)

When testing only one vial, it's just a single data point. No trend line.
If you were to hypothetically test four of your own vials and they varied from 30-36 mg between vials, you could be under dosing by that 20% some of the time using just that one real result you have. On the flip side, if the tests varied from 35-37 mg, your 36mg result would be accurate. But you can't really know that with one data point.
That said, I'm very familiar with the cost of testing these and it's not cheap or easy to test and give up even one, let alone a bunch of vials right after you've just bought them.

 

[byefatlicia]

If it's supposed to be 10mg, then theirs is 20% over as well.

That is correct. The vials were supposed to be 10mg but were filled to 12ish. So, the answer to @JoonyO is: The advise we gave was to go with the tested amount unless the OP wanted an extra spicy dose. OP said no, it might result in adverse bodily activity. (paraphrased) 🙂

 

[CrimsonTaco47]

Personal anecdotal suggestion here…when I’m starting a new vial I usually assume it’s what it’s supposed to be (if it’s supposed to be 20mg I assume it’s 20mg) then when calculating out my desired dose, I do just slightly under what I’d actually want. So if I want 4mg per dose and that’s 40units, I’d do like 35-38 units for my first dose of that vial and see how it feels. If it doesn’t give the strength of effects I want, I increase to 40units. And play with the numbers every time based on how I felt. It’s like cooking vs baking lol measure with your heart darlin but that’s why I buy the 30 and 50 unit syringes because small incremental changes like that are easier to measure. I only do that for my GLP of choice though (Reta for me) but if it’s glow or selank or something I just assume it is what it says and use as planned…right or wrong 🤷‍♀️

 

[peptideusername]

Personal anecdotal suggestion here…when I’m starting a new vial I usually assume it’s what it’s supposed to be (if it’s supposed to be 20mg I assume it’s 20mg) then when calculating out my desired dose, I do just slightly under what I’d actually want. So if I want 4mg per dose and that’s 40units, I’d do like 35-38 units for my first dose of that vial and see how it feels. If it doesn’t give the strength of effects I want, I increase to 40units. And play with the numbers every time based on how I felt. It’s like cooking vs baking lol measure with your heart darlin but that’s why I buy the 30 and 50 unit syringes because small incremental changes like that are easier to measure. I only do that for my GLP of choice though (Reta for me) but if it’s glow or selank or something I just assume it is what it says and use as planned…right or wrong 🤷‍♀️

Some perspective: the amount you're changing by shorting 2-5 units out of 40 is a change of .2-.5mg of 4mg. That just means you're dosing at 3.5mg or 3.8mg. So it's basically a rounding error.

And with a signature like yours, maybe you could reconsider giving out suggestions for now? 🙃

 

[jemifus]

With a couple notable exceptions, it’s not often that I’ve seen significant variations in mass between tests on the same batch. Also, vendors generally overfill on purpose, with some vendors being known for very significant overfills.

So I always go with the tested amount - seems like it’s far more likely to be accurate than the listed amount.

 

[CrimsonTaco47]

Some perspective: the amount you're changing by shorting 2-5 units out of 40 is a change of .2-.5mg of 4mg. That just means you're dosing at 3.5mg or 3.8mg. So it's basically a rounding error.

And with a signature like yours, maybe you could reconsider giving out suggestions for now? 🙃

I wasn’t giving advice I was saying what I did. And if the op is trying to decide what to do for a potential for slight overfill, why wouldn’t just a slight decrease solve that problem? I’m no expert, as you pointed out my signature says. But I also think the below quote and I are getting at the same thing essentially? Use the tested amount or use the amount it’s supposed to be for a potentially spicier dose. I just decided to go with the dose it’s supposed to be, and adjust based on how I feel. I totally get my 5-10% adjustment wouldn’t be enough to compensate for the potentially 20% overfill but it would give me an idea of where I’m at with dosing for that vial. Maybe that first dose will hit spicy, or maybe not enough, so I go from there. No one needs to do what I do, just wanted to share it because really every vial is a new happy little experiment since you never really know how much is actually in it.

The advise we gave was to go with the tested amount unless the OP wanted an extra spicy dose.

Guess I gotta update my signature to ‘knows everything, ask me anything’ so my suggestions qualify 😉

 

[keangkong]

With those results, you can create a trend line and be fairly confident to use 12.

I kind of agree. I'd go with 12. However, I do believe that even when four vials were tested and gave similar results, you may have got some from a different batch, although it may bear the same color cap or batch code. I don't have any practical solutions to this problem: You can always pay for individual testing. However, that will get expensive. Or the group test can include more than four vials. That too gets expensive. I'd go with the 12 mg. I'm just not as confident as @peptideusername (one of my favorite sources of advice) that the vial I'm using is similar.

 

[jemifus]

I kind of agree. I'd go with 12. However, I do believe that even when four vials were tested and gave similar results, you may have got some from a different batch, although it may bear the same color cap or batch code.

I guess it’s worth pointing out that while no vendor is above suspicion, certain vendors are very heavily tested and any kind of ongoing batch mixing behavior would likely be sniffed out.

With the vendors I use, I feel pretty good that the batch is the batch.

 

[brentm]

I have a really high tolerance for these meds....

The difference between 30 and 34mg in a vial of tirz isn't going to move the needle for me. YMMV.

I hate it that the trend is now to put the overfill in the MG.... 20mg vials test 24mg. Now it's Tirz 24.

No it ain't. It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

 

[rsmith]

I have a really high tolerance for these meds....

The difference between 30 and 34mg in a vial of tirz isn't going to move the needle for me. YMMV.

I hate it that the trend is now to put the overfill in the MG.... 20mg vials test 24mg. Now it's Tirz 24.

No it ain't. It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

I hate it that the trend is now to put the overfill in the MG.... 20mg vials test 24mg. Now it's Tirz 24.

No it ain't. It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

I absolutely refuse to buy from anyone who engages in this scam. It is especially common when used in conjunction with non-normative testing services (i.e., not Janoshik).

 

[desinr-gal]

I have a really high tolerance for these meds....

The difference between 30 and 34mg in a vial of tirz isn't going to move the needle for me. YMMV.

I hate it that the trend is now to put the overfill in the MG.... 20mg vials test 24mg. Now it's Tirz 24.

No it ain't. It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

Finnrick is grading vendors; and downgrading sellers whose stated mg amount do not match the testing results. I believe this is the reason that is happening.

 

[JujuJ]

I hate it that the trend is now to put the overfill in the MG.... 20mg vials test 24mg. Now it's Tirz 24.

No it ain't. It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

I absolutely refuse to buy from anyone who engages in this scam. It is especially common when used in conjunction with non-normative testing services (i.e., not Janoshik).

Thanks for pointing this out. I'm usually pretty bright but it never hit me where these new mgs came out of the blue. I'm riding with your boycott. 20 is 20!

 

[JoonyO]

Hmm. OK. Consensus is varied. 😉 lol

 

[zpped]

Hmm. OK. Consensus is varied. 😉 lol

Consensus is only useful when you are asking experts.

 

[byefatlicia]

Hmm. OK. Consensus is varied. 😉 lol

In your case, the consensus is that you use the test result as the content of the vials. So you can get a more accurate pin.

It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

In this case, they were referring to the vendor upping the price based on overfill.

 

[JoonyO]

It's obvious I'm new, I realize that, but ya gotta start somewhere. I'm not particularly internet savvy, either. I spent about a month trying to extract sources for gray from reddit. 🤣 🤣
Tight-lipped over there. Why Reddit? 'Cause that's where the interwebs led on using peptides.
I have to say thanks to JuGGaKnot ( sp? ) for sharing info even though the link he sent for Discord ( had never used that, either 😬. ) was unrelated to my needs. He wisely said, " Here's some links. Spend about a week reading 'em and GLP-1 forum then you might be ready to buy."
Of course I bought the next day though...🤣🤣🤣
It was from a vendor here so I'll see how it goes. The "crypto only" thing is a PIA to an old buzzard like me...so, no, I ain't ready for THAT aspect of acquisition...yet. ( guess that's where " a week" comes into it. lol

 

[zpped]

A week is not enough time to learn, especially when you're starting at less than average with the technology aspect.

 

[FamousGoodkitty]

I hate it that the trend is now to put the overfill in the MG.... 20mg vials test 24mg. Now it's Tirz 24.

No it ain't. It's still tirz 20 you greedy bastard.

I absolutely refuse to buy from anyone who engages in this scam. It is especially common when used in conjunction with non-normative testing services (i.e., not Janoshik).

The other point to consider is that EL, when taking vendors to court, tend to mention how the vials are in increments of EL's doses (they always have some way to get the "even" amounts to work in their favor) - "even" meaning 10, 15, 20, 30 etc... - So some very astute vendors will get the average of the vials tested in that batch and use that average on their labels be it 28.4, 31.1, 11.6, etc.... so that abates one argument from EL.

Personally, I use the averages to determine how to reconstitute the vial and get the particular dose accurate for those items, such as GLP1's where I want a very accurate dose.

Other peps that I'm not so concerned about accuracy of the dose, I'll not worry about it nearly as much.

 

[desinr-gal]

Good point, hadn't thought of that.

 

[rsmith]

The other point to consider is that EL, when taking vendors to court, tend to mention how the vials are in increments of EL's doses (they always have some way to get the "even" amounts to work in their favor) - "even" meaning 10, 15, 20, 30 etc... - So some very astute vendors will get the average of the vials tested in that batch and use that average on their labels be it 28.4, 31.1, 11.6, etc.... so that abates one argument from EL.

Personally, I use the averages to determine how to reconstitute the vial and get the particular dose accurate for those items, such as GLP1's where I want a very accurate dose.

Other peps that I'm not so concerned about accuracy of the dose, I'll not worry about it nearly as much.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I love a good overfill. I just don't want to pay extra for it. A recent large GB R60 tested at 80mg. at Chromate and was then sold at an elevated price as R80.