Vendor BAC water

[PeppySince2022]

A more reliable source like Hospira is so cheap (relatively speaking) that I wondered who in the world way pay to test unknown BAC water (vs just buying Hospira). I wonder if $500 was the "blow off" price to avoid having to test it. Not that a lab would want to turn away business, but I have to imagine that customers requesting to cancel BAC water tests and obtain a refund within a day or two of ordering is a pretty common occurrence (once they come to their senses).

Sure sounded like a blow off price. Seems like it would cost next to nothing to test and should be one of the less complicated to test.

 

[tubby]

I'm not a business person. However, I'll note that many of the moves that Chinese vendors make do not make business sense as far as I can understand. Remember Zeropeptidegate, where all at once vials from several vendors turned out not to contain peptides? Well, there was one vendor, ASC, that had always charged more than other vendors and had a great reputation. Wouldn't it make sense that at least that vendor, who charges a premium, would reimburse buyers who received zero peptides? In doing so, that vendor would earn the trust of its buyers, who'd likely forgive it for sending zero peptides in the first place. ASC would likely have gained many new buyers from places that didn't honor their warranties. Yet ASC then disappeared. By the way, I almost always understand the business reasons that Eli Lilly acts as it does.

It's the same cost benefit analysis as driving an old beater car without auto insurance (which some people choose to do). If minor problems come up, you "self-insure," if major problems come up, if you've got no assets that others can pursue then there's no mechanism forcing you to make the other person whole.

The rational decision for them is to disappear and start over under a new name once the problem becomes big enough where the hassle factor of starting over becomes less than the cost of making it right. Sadly, us really wanting this to be a high-trust transaction isn't enough to make it one.

 

[ambot88]

I am out of hospira and my order is backordered so I decided to risk it and used the stuff ERP sent me. turned into a gelled sludge. so that sucks. Turns out the water does in fact make a difference.

 

[PeppySince2022]

I am out of hospira and my order is backordered so I decided to risk it and used the stuff ERP sent me. turned into a gelled sludge. so that sucks. Turns out the water does in fact make a difference.

Awww dang. Scroll up and try order from some of the recommended places. Mine should be in today.

 

[ambot88]

Awww dang. Scroll up and try order from some of the recommended places. Mine should be in today.

I'm in Canada and most of those places only ship in US. I found a local source but they're backordered for 2 more weeks.

 

[tubby]

I am out of hospira and my order is backordered so I decided to risk it and used the stuff ERP sent me. turned into a gelled sludge. so that sucks. Turns out the water does in fact make a difference.

If the pH is high, you could try adding/mixing a small amount of white vinegar (a very small amount at a time) to see if that resolves things, assuming the alternative is scrapping the batch.

And if you're desperate to get something to pass as pure water, you could setup your own half-assed distillation system as follows: Thoroughly wash and rinse a saucepan with lid as well as a glass container (a bowl or a cup). Fill the pan with maybe 1/2 inch of water and set the bowl/cup inside of the pan such that no water is inside of the cup/bowl. Heat on a stove to a light boil and maintain that for a bit. Periodically lift the lid slightly crooked and tap it such that the steam that has condensed on the lid runs down the lip and drips into the cup/bowl before placing the lid back on. After a few taps, you'd have enough distilled water in the bowl to meet your needs. You could then cool by carefully placing ice cubes into the pan (but not into the bowl). Or just leave the lid on and put the whole thing in the fridge for a while until it's cool enough for you to touch and draw up water from the bowl into a syringe. Definitely not the preferred way to source water for these things, but throwing it out there as an alternative if you're determined to get something working tonight and might have otherwise considered using bottled drinking water or something else even sketchier.

To be clear, my recommendation is to junk the vial and wait until you get water from your trusted supplier, but I'm also trying to be realistic and provide less bad options if you've decided you're not going to wait so that you don't go with an even worse option.

 

[Jack brown]

If the pH is high, you could try adding/mixing a small amount of white vinegar (a very small amount at a time) to see if that resolves things, assuming the alternative is scrapping the batch.

And if you're desperate to get something to pass as pure water, you could setup your own half-assed distillation system as follows: Thoroughly wash and rinse a saucepan with lid as well as a glass container (a bowl or a cup). Fill the pan with maybe 1/2 inch of water and set the bowl/cup inside of the pan such that no water is inside of the cup/bowl. Heat on a stove to a light boil and maintain that for a bit. Periodically lift the lid slightly crooked and tap it such that the steam that has condensed on the lid runs down the lip and drips into the cup/bowl before placing the lid back on. After a few taps, you'd have enough distilled water in the bowl to meet your needs. You could then cool by carefully placing ice cubes into the pan (but not into the bowl). Or just leave the lid on and put the whole thing in the fridge for a while until it's cool enough for you to touch and draw up water from the bowl into a syringe. Definitely not the preferred way to source water for these things, but throwing it out there as an alternative if you're determined to get something working tonight and might have otherwise considered using bottled drinking water or something else even sketchier.

To be clear, my recommendation is to junk the vial and wait until you get water from your trusted supplier, but I'm also trying to be realistic and provide less bad options if you've decided you're not going to wait so that you don't go with an even worse option.

Why not just buy sterile water? Depyrogenated so 100x safer. Use within 28 days.

 

[AndyPanda]

Why not just buy sterile water? Depyrogenated so 100x safer. Use within 28 days.

pH

 

[tubby]

Why not just buy sterile water? Depyrogenated so 100x safer. Use within 28 days.

To be clear, my recommendation is to junk the vial and wait until you get water from your trusted supplier, but I'm also trying to be realistic and provide less bad options if you've decided you're not going to wait so that you don't go with an even worse option.

 

[ambot88]

If the pH is high, you could try adding/mixing a small amount of white vinegar (a very small amount at a time) to see if that resolves things, assuming the alternative is scrapping the batch.

And if you're desperate to get something to pass as pure water, you could setup your own half-assed distillation system as follows: Thoroughly wash and rinse a saucepan with lid as well as a glass container (a bowl or a cup). Fill the pan with maybe 1/2 inch of water and set the bowl/cup inside of the pan such that no water is inside of the cup/bowl. Heat on a stove to a light boil and maintain that for a bit. Periodically lift the lid slightly crooked and tap it such that the steam that has condensed on the lid runs down the lip and drips into the cup/bowl before placing the lid back on. After a few taps, you'd have enough distilled water in the bowl to meet your needs. You could then cool by carefully placing ice cubes into the pan (but not into the bowl). Or just leave the lid on and put the whole thing in the fridge for a while until it's cool enough for you to touch and draw up water from the bowl into a syringe. Definitely not the preferred way to source water for these things, but throwing it out there as an alternative if you're determined to get something working tonight and might have otherwise considered using bottled drinking water or something else even sketchier.

To be clear, my recommendation is to junk the vial and wait until you get water from your trusted supplier, but I'm also trying to be realistic and provide less bad options if you've decided you're not going to wait so that you don't go with an even worse option.

interesting. I'm not going to distill water and potentially ruin another vial but I may try the vinegar thing on the already ruined vial. Do you think if it clears up it would be "safe"

 

[tubby]

interesting. I'm not going to distill water and potentially ruin another vial but I may try the vinegar thing on the already ruined vial. Do you think if it clears up it would be "safe"

None of this stuff is "safe."

I'm making an assumption that the pH of the water that you're using is high. If that's the case, it's important to note that "high pH" isn't actually the root cause of your problem. If you were dealing with pure water the pH would be 7 (since that is the pH of pure water). If your pH is significantly different than 7 that just means you're not dealing with pure water and whatever the water is contaminated with is the actual root cause of your problem. The high pH is just an indicator of that contamination. And it's reasonably likely that your vial full of gel is an indication of high pH (although that's certainly not the only possible cause). Further, any competent manufacturing facility would have a QC process in place to detect contamination in their purified water product and I'd think pH would be the bare minimum they'd want to check, which suggests the water isn't from a competent manufacturing facility. That's the real crux of your problem here.

As a practical matter, everything we work with will come with some minor degree of contamination. If you've decided you're cool with the mystery contaminant, it's very possible that bringing the pH of the solution down by adding a very small amount of some acid will improve its solubility such that the gel dissolves. If you were to take that approach, you'd want to go very slowly, to avoid adding too much vinegar. "Too much" means that rather than just bringing pH down to a neutral level, the solution has turned acidic and that's a very delicate tipping point. I'd even suggest diluting the vinegar, but I'm not sure what you'd dilute the vinegar with, since if you had purified water available to you, you wouldn't be in this mess to being with.

On the flip side, getting scratched by a cat is probably thousands of times more "dangerous" than a small acetic acid adjustment...

 

[YoYoFat]

I’ve contacted some water companies in my area to see if they will test it for me.

I wouldn’t use a “water company” to test BAC. BAC isn’t just water.

 

[YoYoFat]

interesting. I'm not going to distill water and potentially ruin another vial but I may try the vinegar thing on the already ruined vial. Do you think if it clears up it would be "safe"

Eww. No. Don’t do this.

Find some Hospira. All things considered, it’s still cheap. And HOSPIRA is safe.

 

[YoYoFat]

I only use about 1-2 ml per month. That 30ml hospira is half a lifetime supply. I may use 5ml but after that I’d have to throw it out.

You really won’t have to throw it out.

 

[ambot88]

None of this stuff is "safe."

I'm making an assumption that the pH of the water that you're using is high. If that's the case, it's important to note that "high pH" isn't actually the root cause of your problem. If you were dealing with pure water the pH would be 7 (since that is the pH of pure water). If your pH is significantly different than 7 that just means you're not dealing with pure water and whatever the water is contaminated with is the actual root cause of your problem. The high pH is just an indicator of that contamination. And it's reasonably likely that your vial full of gel is an indication of high pH (although that's certainly not the only possible cause). Further, any competent manufacturing facility would have a QC process in place to detect contamination in their purified water product and I'd think pH would be the bare minimum they'd want to check, which suggests the water isn't from a competent manufacturing facility. That's the real crux of your problem here.

As a practical matter, everything we work with will come with some minor degree of contamination. If you've decided you're cool with the mystery contaminant, it's very possible that bringing the pH of the solution down by adding a very small amount of some acid will improve its solubility such that the gel dissolves. If you were to take that approach, you'd want to go very slowly, to avoid adding too much vinegar. "Too much" means that rather than just bringing pH down to a neutral level, the solution has turned acidic and that's a very delicate tipping point. I'd even suggest diluting the vinegar, but I'm not sure what you'd dilute the vinegar with, since if you had purified water available to you, you wouldn't be in this mess to being with.

On the flip side, getting scratched by a cat is probably thousands of times more "dangerous" than a small acetic acid adjustment...

I'm just gonna toss it. Actually I'll probably add the vinegar just to see what happens but I won't be injecting it. I do have proper hospira ordered it's just backordered from the only place I could find it. patience I guess. ugh.

 

[Bellybutton]

You really won’t have to throw it out.

I'm still trying to decide how long I'm comfortable keeping BAC around after opening

 

[tubby]

I'm just gonna toss it. Actually I'll probably add the vinegar just to see what happens but I won't be injecting it. I do have proper hospira ordered it's just backordered from the only place I could find it. patience I guess. ugh.

Good call there. Let us know how much you add and if it makes a difference.

 

[Foggy-Hollow]

I am out of hospira and my order is backordered so I decided to risk it and used the stuff ERP sent me. turned into a gelled sludge. so that sucks. Turns out the water does in fact make a difference.

I’ve had a couple of lessons on this.

My first vial of reta gelled using the vendor-sent bac from the same order. I contacted them and we chatted on the phone, they were confused and sent a new vial but no new bac. 20/20 they knew what they sent and I don’t. Might have been a reason they didn’t resend the bac, maybe it was innocent I will never know. But they replaced the main product which is what I wanted. New vial did not gel.

Amazon… oh Amazon. My NAD+ stung, I didn’t think much of it as that one is supposed to. My T30 stung, and made me check the fluid. I know better. And now I know better. Sigh.