Wellness peptide craze (BBC)

[cat_walk]

Wellness peptide craze: why people are injecting drugs 'not for human consumption'

Growing numbers of people are injecting unregulated peptides for health reasons - but one expert says they are "lab rats".

www.bbc.com

Interesting perspective. The global grey peptide community is, in a way, replacing traditional pharmaceutical testing, substituting the classical clinical trial pathway with thousands (or millions) of individual self-experimenter (rats 😉).

Could this mean the next step/opportunity is for the grey community to organize and run decentralized trials? We already have an increasing number of apps for keeping track of schedules and results. Next steps is to compile this data...

 

[Calm Logic]

Knowing the feelz-ready ("open to experience") peptide community, placebos of ritualized BAC water could be as "game changing" for some as anything else.

One positive spin is that peptide use may replace long-term steroid use, for some:

Gym bros are ditching steroids for these healthier performance enhancers

The landscape of muscle-building is being reshaped as fitness bros ditch the dangerous steroids and turn to a healthier performance enhancement option.

nypost.com

 

[yeddie]

The BBC article is fairly level-headed compared to the clickbait sensationalism we often see in the press. They touch on one of the key issues with unregulated peptides, namely the lack of controlled human testing.

Big Pharma companies sink billions into Phase 3 tests in humans, but only for products that can be protected by patents. cat_walk's suggestion that the "research" community could crowdsource structured tests is worth exploring. People pool their resources to do group testing of the products. Maybe there's a way to aggregate the data collected by individuals into a meaningful study.

 

[Calm Logic]

We need a billionaire, is what we need. Like an Elon Musk but obsessed with peptides.

 

[cat_walk]

Why a billionaire? This should be run as a decentralized project, no need for big financingbor structure.

 

[Calm Logic]

Why a billionaire? This should be run as a decentralized project, no need for big financingbor structure.

Trust in the process. Legal fees. I wouldn't inject a possible placebo from just anybody.

 

[Flexon]

There are already serious crowdfunded RCTs for diet interventions, why not for peptides.

 

[Calm Logic]

There are already serious crowdfunded RCTs for diet interventions, why not for peptides.

Legal issues. The FDA doesn't care if you crowdfund a salad.

 

[cat_walk]

Legal issues. The FDA doesn't care if you crowdfund a salad.

The idea is not to use it to influence FDA or other control bodies. The idea is to bypass them and gain community control of what is safe, effective. The data is already there, plenty, albeit in a not exploitable and ordered way.

 

[Calm Logic]

The data is already there, plenty, albeit in a not exploitable and ordered way.

To me, you really need a double-blind, controlled trial, as in using placebos. Anything less is more like a collection of anecdotes.

 

[Flexon]

True, but if I waited for that, I would still be mostly tired or sick for the last 10 years. Instead I changed the diet to "heart unfriendly" one, contrary to ocean of RCTs. And used BPC to get rid me of debilitating disease. I would like 'The Science' is what I was thinking it is, but it's bureaucratized and slow, and too often corrupted.

 

[Calm Logic]

Well, there you go. N=1 really is the way to go, in some ways. Even if something doesn't work well for most people, that doesn't mean it won't work for you.

But I am surprised more people don't use ARA-290, even for inflammation. It has better human studies than most non-GLP peptides.

 

[FarmgirlRebel]

Thanks for the link.
At least the article wasn't a hysterical "If it's not FDA approved you're all going to DIE!!" type of article.
Really, how many FDA drugs have had to be pulled due to killing people? I can think of 5 without even having to tax my brain.
How many over the counter "supplements" had to be yanked because of the same thing? Many
But peptides have become a scary thing due to most of them being injected and the normies of the world: injection=bad/dangerous vs oral=good/safe.
So overall, the writer of the article I thought was pretty balanced, esp for BBC, most major corporate news are shills for corporations/governments, imo.

 

[Rolltide61]

Wellness peptide craze: why people are injecting drugs 'not for human consumption'

Growing numbers of people are injecting unregulated peptides for health reasons - but one expert says they are "lab rats".

www.bbc.com

Interesting perspective. The global grey peptide community is, in a way, replacing traditional pharmaceutical testing, substituting the classical clinical trial pathway with thousands (or millions) of individual self-experimenter (rats 😉).

Could this mean the next step/opportunity is for the grey community to organize and run decentralized trials? We already have an increasing number of apps for keeping track of schedules and results. Next steps is to compile this data...

So who the f was the expert in this article cause I sure didn't see one.