What is MOTS-c like?

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I've been reading up on MOTS-c and it seems quite promising, although some of the claims seem to be really out there.

Does it affect gym performance in a noticeable way? Can it help with losing fat while maintaining (or even gaining) muscle? Animal and human clinical trials often use significantly large dosages.

I'm curious about your perspectives.
 
I’m currently running my second cycle of MOTS-c after a long break. I take 5 mg around 3x per week, usually about 30 minutes before training. I lift 5x per week and do cardio after every session.

For me it’s not a stim or a massive “rush,” but more of a clean, steady energy boost. There’s no jitters, no crash. I feel less lethargic going into workouts and can push myself a bit harder and stay focused longer, especially with the cardio after. It gives my sessions a subtle extra oomph rather than anything dramatic. But I prefer that

I wouldn’t call it a magic fat-loss compound on its own—especially since I’m on Reta and that’s doing a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of scale weight. That said, MOTS-c is often mentioned as complementary to Reta <3

From my experience, it seems to improve training quality and tolerance, which over time can help body recomposition if diet and programming are dialed in.
 
I’m currently running my second cycle of MOTS-c after a long break. I take 5 mg around 3x per week, usually about 30 minutes before training. I lift 5x per week and do cardio after every session.

For me it’s not a stim or a massive “rush,” but more of a clean, steady energy boost. There’s no jitters, no crash. I feel less lethargic going into workouts and can push myself a bit harder and stay focused longer, especially with the cardio after. It gives my sessions a subtle extra oomph rather than anything dramatic. But I prefer that

I wouldn’t call it a magic fat-loss compound on its own—especially since I’m on Reta and that’s doing a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of scale weight. That said, MOTS-c is often mentioned as complementary to Reta <3

From my experience, it seems to improve training quality and tolerance, which over time can help body recomposition if diet and programming are dialed in.
I'm planning to start MOTS-C in the somewhat near future to go with my Reta, did you start at 5mg 3x/week or did you start with a smaller dose initially?
 
I'm planning to start MOTS-C in the somewhat near future to go with my Reta, did you start at 5mg 3x/week or did you start with a smaller dose initially?
Honestly the dosing is kind of all over the place from what I found. Most anecdotal protocols seem to sit around 1mg or even less a few times a week, but there are also a lot of people running anywhere from 5–15 mg weekly, so there’s no real consensus. My first run I stayed conservative at 1 mg 3x/week just to assess tolerance.

This second cycle I decided to take a bit of a plunge and run it higher—about 15 mg total per week—mainly because I’m an insulin-resistance girly and wanted to really lean into the insulin sensitivity/metabolic effects, especially stacked with Reta. The only downside is I’m burning through the vials like crazy.

I’m keeping it to a short 4-week pulse because MOTS-C acts more like a mitochondrial signaling peptide (a hormetic stress signal), and the limited human/animal data we have suggests it may work best as a short-term metabolic signal rather than chronic exposure, so longer runs may not add much and could potentially blunt the effect.
 
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I’m currently running my second cycle of MOTS-c after a long break. I take 5 mg around 3x per week, usually about 30 minutes before training. I lift 5x per week and do cardio after every session.

For me it’s not a stim or a massive “rush,” but more of a clean, steady energy boost. There’s no jitters, no crash. I feel less lethargic going into workouts and can push myself a bit harder and stay focused longer, especially with the cardio after. It gives my sessions a subtle extra oomph rather than anything dramatic. But I prefer that

I wouldn’t call it a magic fat-loss compound on its own—especially since I’m on Reta and that’s doing a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of scale weight. That said, MOTS-c is often mentioned as complementary to Reta <3

From my experience, it seems to improve training quality and tolerance, which over time can help body recomposition if diet and programming are dialed in.
Since you're a lifter, have you ever tried Nitric Oxide supplements (L-Arginine & L-Citrulline) and how did MOTS-C compare, if at all. Thanks.
 
Animal and human clinical trials often use significantly large dosages.
In response to the original poster. Not trying to be pedantic , but there are no human trials of mots-c, not of using it as a treatment. There are studies on measuring it in different groups of people or after exercise etc, but sadly not even basic toxicity or safety or dose ranging tests.
It is a chemical already in your body, which makes it a bit safer than something that does not normally belong there.

The doses used in mice in trials were over a pretty wide range from 0.5mg/kg/day to 10mg/kg/day. A rough translation works out to ( for a 70kg person ) 3.5mg to 70mg per day, human dose being about 1/10 mouse dose. Using an untested drug on humans, staying at the low end of the dose range would be safer, and that is the commonly used dose of 5mg daily to weekly. Many of the commonly used but untested peptides have doses in mouse studies way higher than are available such as KPV.

There has been a phase 1 trial of a modified version of mots c , usually interesting peptides in your body get modified before they start doing trials in humans, to improve pharmacokinetics and more importantly so it can be patented, there is zero money to be made otherwise. I cannot find the original papers on it in a quick look so I have no way of knowing how much it was altered. So there is some basic results on a related peptide which is useful and is an indicator of safety but not proof. This is way less data than needed to say a treatment is safe, just enough to go ahead with more trials. I cannot find anything after this.

"results from the multi-center, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled Phase 1a/1b clinical study of CB4211, under development for nonalcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) and obesity. The study met its primary endpoint showing that CB4211 was well-tolerated and appeared safe with no serious adverse events. Evaluation of the exploratory pharmacodynamic endpoints from the Phase 1b stage of the study comparing CB4211 to placebo demonstrated robust and significant reductions in key biomarkers of liver damage, ALT and AST, a significant decrease in glucose levels, and a trend towards lower body weight after four weeks of treatment. Both the CB4211 and placebo groups had substantial reductions in liver fat content compared to baseline."

Unfortunately, especially for the most common peptides ( excluding the GLP's who have been studied ) most have not been tested in humans. The way influencers and many others talk about them intentionally or otherwise imply that the results of animal or cell studies are from humans. I have not much of a problem with people experimenting on themselves, but I think it is important to know beforehand if what you want to take has had at least some human testing. Mots c sounds great from its effects in rodents, and lots of people on this forum have taken it and as far as has been reported there have not been issues apart from localised allergic reactions being really common.
 
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