Whats the quality of Chinese Tirz compared to Lilly?

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Is there a huge difference? On the comppunding forums they say that Lilly has better ingredients, equipment and facilities that put Chinese tirz to shame.

And tthat the gray we get is basically junk. I argued that compound tirz is all from China too, and even though there's a green list of precursors compounding pharmacies can buy from, not a single one is in the country.

Over on reddit we also saw lilly tirz pens that were made in and shipped from China. So.... how big a difference really is gray market tirz from lilly tirz when it comes down to actual brass tacks?

 

[Nathanologist]

Look… you’ve got brand name cereal, and store brand cereal. Some store brand cereal is actually pretty good and even preferred by the consumer. But it’ll never be the same. Some of it is just absolute 🤮 … I kind figure it’s the same with drugs. It’s all made with the same raw ingredients generally. But the finished product can vary drastically. End of the day if you can make a 💩 the cereal did its job.

 

[MsGizmo]

Is there a huge difference? On the comppunding forums they say that Lilly has better ingredients, equipment and facilities that put Chinese tirz to shame.

And tthat the gray we get is basically junk. I argued that compound tirz is all from China too, and even though there's a green list of precursors compounding pharmacies can buy from, not a single one is in the country.

Over on reddit we also saw lilly tirz pens that were made in and shipped from China. So.... how big a difference really is gray market tirz from lilly tirz when it comes down to actual brass tacks?

There are only 3 differences in my opinion.

• The first one is the overfilling. You just need to keep an eye on it.
• The second difference is that you need to do more prep work. Mixing the BAC water into the powder and then fill either syringes or an injection pen cartridge.
• The third .. money. I spent $1000 to get my first 2 months of Wegovy from the pharmacy. I knew I would burn through my medical savings in about 6 months time. After that I would have to start making budget cuts. I didn't want to do that. So instead I spent about $300 for my first kit of sema and the supplies to mix, store and deliver it. I expect this kit to last for at least a year. It will probably last longer than that to be honest.

 

[lessthanhalf]

If your vial of cheap chinese Tirz contains the correct drug, then there is essentially zero difference.
I have no doubt that the manufacturer formulation is superior in terms of long term peptide stabilty, which it needs to be as it has to have a long shelf life after being mixed with water which is how they sell it. But given that the lyophilised peptides are only mixed with bac water as needed, and used in the next month or so, it really does not matter if the mixture is as stable over months to years after being mixed.
Apart from that, dosage accuracy is not as precise due to under or overfilling but the worst I have seen is 20%, and most are within plus or minus 10%. In practical terms this really makes no difference either unless you are especially sensitive to adverse effects from tiny dose changes.
The biggest risks are of being ripped off by a fake seller or one who gets busted, but even this is usually cheaper than paying for the original version. A loss of a few hundred to a bad seller is still way less than the cost of a one month prescription.
It is not impossible to get a product that has nothing in it or worse has a different peptide or toxic contaminants, it happens but is not common. The only way to be sure this is not going to happen is to get your batch independently tested, before you use it, either yourself or through a group.
Bacteria or endotoxin are possible as well, I have still never come across a case of someone complaining about infections at injection sites, so presumably this is quite rare, and tiny amounts of endotoxin are not likely to be any worse than the amounts that leak through your gut into your blood every day.

 

[CallieKat]

I only did 2 months of pharma but after over 2 years on gray…I’m still skinny. I think that speaks volumes about whether it works or not.

 

[indolent]

It's a specific molecule and some chalky filler.

 

[byefatlicia]

Is there a huge difference?

My rats have only ever had grey. They loveeee it.

 

[cldfront]

It's a specific molecule and some chalky filler.

Indeed. Tirz is tirz.

 

[PopTart]

The first one is the overfilling. You just need to keep an eye on it.

I would also add to that fill “variation” across vials from the same batch.

 

[joearimathea]

There are two major issues:
1) Quality - we all have heard or experienced quality issues that are probably much more likely with gray than brand name. Therefore, I would never perform research without quality third party testing. Even then, still likely more risk.
2) Risk of any Gray market (and this is not the only one)- scammers, shipping issues, crypto, refunding problems. Things you don't have to deal with when you buy from Amazon.
I think each of us must weigh the risks (which are real) and benefits (which is mostly cost).
Even if I never went gray, I have learned more valuable information from this community that I would have ever known otherwise.
That said, If Lily would lower their price or my insurance would cover and it cost me $100/month let me tell you that I will be done with gray.

 

[Mustafa]

Over the course of May 2023 to February 2024 I lost more than 50 pounds, from 195 to 140, without any other lifestyle changes. Last night I checked and I was 143. I've tried Chinese sema, Chinese cagri, Chinese survo, and a few other peps, so it definitely works.

This week I decided to finally go to the gym. Without having first lost the weight, I don't think I would have had the confidence to step foot in the gym.