Yet another article on Peps - ‘People are turning themselves into lab rats’: the injectable peptides craze sweeping the US

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‘People are turning themselves into lab rats’: the injectable peptides craze sweeping the US

Though lab-made peptides are touted as a cure-all, they are not FDA-regulated and pose serious risks, experts warn

www.theguardian.com

Though lab-made peptides are touted as a cure-all, they are not FDA-regulated and pose serious risks, experts warn
Across platforms like Discord and Telegram, users are claiming these peptides help with everything from injury recovery, athletic performance, weight loss, mental function, better sleep and younger-looking skin.

Since the US health care system has continued to fail me... yes. I have turned myself into a "Lab Rat" and for the first time in YEARS, I'm starting to feel better.

I recently saw an article about how it was too easy to purchase counterfeit Reta in pre-loaded pens in EU and how some lady messed herself up to the point of pancreatitis because of how wrong she got the dosing, having literally never done a single bit of research, never consumed any GLP1 drugs previously, and having a BMI in the low 15's. I think they said she used the whole pen in a week or something crazy like that.

The only argument they kept leaning into was that there is no Doctor guidance and the chemical is not currently FDA approved.

What they neglected to mention (which took serious homework) was the product was 99.95% pure, and had the lady done more homework than a pinecone, she wouldn't have actually harmed herself.

They were touting it as a major health crisis.

I'm sorry, I try to be empathetic, but the darwin awards I see people speed running in the peptide community is mind blowing.

I did copious amounts of research before making the jump (probably too much) and honestly, it kind of makes me happy that it was a genuine product regardless of approval status.

Do I feel bad for her? Sure.

It is her fault she did that? Yes

Did she even need to take any GLP1's? No

Will it stop me from taking Reta? Also no.

 

[GimmePep]

It's a pretty pipeline:

pharmaceutical companies $ -> journalists -> scare-mongering article -> new laws and enforcement -> $$$ for pharmaceutical companies

Government action is coming, although it may take 5-10 years (anyone remember Napster?). There is far too much money in effective weight-loss for governments not to crack down on peptides (even as pot gets rescheduled in the US, and as hard drugs legalized in Europe). But it's sad, because when the government does crack down, it's going to negatively impact the health of many people. They'll be fatter than they need to be, more diabetic, eventually turning into more heart attacks and more cancer. Some might impoverish their families to pay for the medications legitimately.

Good journalism good help here, articles that actually weigh out the costs and the benefits. But the journalist-industrial complex doesn't allow for that.

The government created the obesity epidemic by pushing seed oils and carbs, while vilifying meat, dairy and healthy fats. They knew saturated fats were not the cause of heart disease (sugar is), but paid the FDA to change the script.

They also allowed for a plethora of artificial additives that are designed by the tobacco industry to be addictive and turn off satiety. Word is, the evil scientists at Big Food (owned by tobacco industry) are currently working on new additives that break through the resistance the glp-1s provide.

How could anyone ever respect them again after everything that has been revealed about the FDA?!

 

[Ruckus4519]

The government created the obesity epidemic by pushing seed oils and carbs, while vilifying meat, dairy and healthy fats. They knew saturated fats were not the cause of heart disease (sugar is), but paid the FDA to change the script.

They also allowed for a plethora of artificial additives that are designed by the tobacco industry to be addictive and turn off satiety. Word is, the evil scientists at Big Food (owned by tobacco industry) are currently working on new additives that break through the resistance the glp-1s provide.

How could anyone ever respect them again after everything that has been revealed about the FDA?!

Don't cigarettes/nicotine actually make you less hungry? Please elaborate on that rumor that you are talking about.

Is the FDA not a governmental agency? I'm sorry but your post confuses me

 

[lessthanhalf]

The reason the above post is confusing is that it does not contain any actual verifiable information. It seems to be a fairly standard repetition of the usual counterfactual big pharma and big food are bad kinds of non logic. It is concerning in a forum that at least partly is about information sharing for harm minimisation, that this type of logic is immune to actual facts or arguments and making health decisions about peptide use or anything else based on this style of thinking is just intrinsically dangerous.

People have died and will continue to die in the US and elsewhere as a result of this style of thinking , kids dying of measles from not being vaccinated for example, with vaccines being questioned by "health authorities" on the basis of thoroughly debunked science. The fact that every second child no longer dies before adulthood, which has been the norm throughout human history is partly due to those vaccines.

The only reason these peptides exist is a very long period of extremely expensive, painstaking, fine detailed scientific research over decades, and the ones established as safe for human use Tirzepatide and Semaglutide cost tens to hundreds of millions in clinical trials to demonstrate that safety, on top of the billions spent getting to that point. And those companies are in it to make money, so they charge what the market will pay. The only thing that will make them cheaper for consumers in the short term is political pressure and national collective bargaining based price setting, and in the longer term competition. Personally I am grateful that the black market has stepped in to fill that void created by extreme pricing, but I am concerned that in the longer term significant numbers of people are likely to be harmed by unknown and unexpected adverse effects of the other peptides available from these sources.

Most of the other peptides on the average list have not had this research done, a very few are still being developed as possible drugs, but most even with promising animal studies were determined to be not worth spending tens or more millions of dollars for further development as it was not thought to be worthwhile. And without that human testing by definition they are unsafe to use in humans. Most have not had even the preliminary studies that are needed before phase 1 human testing can start of toxicity or carcinogenesis in animals.

 

[GimmePep]

Don't cigarettes/nicotine actually make you less hungry? Please elaborate on that rumor that you are talking about.

Is the FDA not a governmental agency? I'm sorry but your post confuses me

None of this is “rumor.” It is all very well documented.

The big Food companies were bought by the tobacco company giants. For example, Philip Morris / Altria Group owns Kraft, Nabisco, General Foods, Mondelez international (Oreo, Cadbury, Ritz, etc). They employed the same addictive tactics used in the tobacco / cigarette industry, in their foods. The foods have additives that turn off satiety signaling and make you eat more and more, producing cravings and addictions.

Yes, the FDA is a government agency. The FDA took bribes from the sugar industry to not produce reports that sugar was responsible for heart disease. Instead, altered studies like the study of 7 countries (it was 22 countries, but they deleted any countries that didn’t suit their agenda), to shift the blame to saturated fats (ACTUAL healthy fats from animal products). FDA built the long standing food pyramid to push carbs and junk food, like Kellogg’s products. The USA obesity epidemic aligns perfectly on a graph with this change in dietary recommendation. A push for “heart healthy vegetable oils” (seed oils) and “fat-free” and “low fat” foods actually propelled the population into disease and obesity.

Enter in big pharma money to treat disease…

Needless to say, Big Food and Big Pharma are losing bilions of dollars due to the introduction of GLP-1s. They are PISSED! Two pharma companies are capitalizing (Eli Lilly & Novo Nordisc), but also losing $$ on grey and black narkets.

This has all been exposed, and hence the new upside down pyramid that was introduced.
I encourage you to research the
🕳️ 🐇 further on your own

 

[GimmePep]

And without that human testing by definition they are unsafe to use in humans. Most have not had even the preliminary studies that are needed before phase 1 human testing can start of toxicity or carcinogenesis in animals.

Really interesting contradiction. So you promote all vaccines, on the basis of FDA approval, and call anyone questioning their safety as dangerous, while also calling peptides that are not FDA approved as dangerous, for lack of human trials.

So the covid vaccine that was NOT tested on a single human, is deemed safe by your standards and should required so kids don’t die, merely because it is FDA approved.
While simultaneously, peptides such as Thymosin Alpha-1 and BPC-157 that completed all human trials, and were approved for decades, but then FDA approval revoked as unsafe, because why?!? For no human trials?! But they DID have all human trials. AND a proven track record of success with little to no side effects.

I will agree that peptides should have some human trials under their belt before jumping in. Mice studies don’t always transfer to human success. We are not mice. I, personally, will not use any without human studies.

But who is promoting dangerous unsupported narratives here?!? Please. I beg you to think for yourself with some common sense.

The reason the above post is confusing is that it does not contain any actual verifiable information. It seems to be a fairly standard repetition of the usual counterfactual big pharma and big food are bad kinds of non logic. It is concerning in a forum that at least partly is about information sharing for harm minimisation, that this type of logic is immune to actual facts or arguments and making health decisions about peptide use or anything else based on this style of thinking is just intrinsically dangerous.

People have died and will continue to die in the US and elsewhere as a result of this style of thinking , kids dying of measles from not being vaccinated for example, with vaccines being questioned by "health authorities" on the basis of thoroughly debunked science. The fact that every second child no longer dies before adulthood, which has been the norm throughout human history is partly due to those vaccines.

The only reason these peptides exist is a very long period of extremely expensive, painstaking, fine detailed scientific research over decades, and the ones established as safe for human use Tirzepatide and Semaglutide cost tens to hundreds of millions in clinical trials to demonstrate that safety, on top of the billions spent getting to that point. And those companies are in it to make money, so they charge what the market will pay. The only thing that will make them cheaper for consumers in the short term is political pressure and national collective bargaining based price setting, and in the longer term competition. Personally I am grateful that the black market has stepped in to fill that void created by extreme pricing, but I am concerned that in the longer term significant numbers of people are likely to be harmed by unknown and unexpected adverse effects of the other peptides available from these sources.

Most of the other peptides on the average list have not had this research done, a very few are still being developed as possible drugs, but most even with promising animal studies were determined to be not worth spending tens or more millions of dollars for further development as it was not thought to be worthwhile. And without that human testing by definition they are unsafe to use in humans. Most have not had even the preliminary studies that are needed before phase 1 human testing can start of toxicity or carcinogenesis in animals.

 

[yrrdead]

Really interesting contradiction. So you promote all vaccines, on the basis of FDA approval, and call anyone questioning their safety as dangerous, while also calling peptides that are not FDA approved as dangerous, for lack of human trials.

So the covid vaccine that was NOT tested on a single human, is deemed safe by your standards and should required so kids don’t die, merely because it is FDA approved.
While simultaneously, peptides such as Thymosin Alpha-1 and BPC-157 that completed all human trials, and were approved for decades, but then FDA approval revoked as unsafe, because why?!? For no human trials?! But they DID have all human trials. AND a proven track record of success with little to no side effects.

I will agree that peptides should have some human trials under their belt before jumping in. Mice studies don’t always transfer to human success. We are not mice. I, personally, will not use any without human studies.

But who is promoting dangerous unsupported narratives here?!? Please. I beg you to think for yourself with some common sense.

I'd love to see the human BPC-157 trial data.

Maybe you didn't notice but they didn't say anything about FDA approval mainly because they are Australian. They were attempting to point out the conspiratorial bent of your post which is full of half truths and fallacies like most conspiracy posts. I'm not sure why they were wasting their time as you will never change anyone's mind , especially on the internet.

 

[BinaryPinecone]

It's unfortunate for the people who are not tech savvy, but whatever agency or government cracking down on peptides will not change much for those who really want to acquire the peptides because underground markets will always exist. Getting access might be restrained and done through TOR markets, but as long as you can ship something internationally without the package being systematically verified for substances: you will have cheap sourcing from Asia. If international shipping stops you will see a rise of domestic production. The prices will increase, but there's no way that peptides will get a real crackdown.

The USA failed and still fails to stop drugs pouring into the country with radical methods. No one is going to take your peptides while there are children getting access to trenbolone acetate and nothing is done about it. You can con the population with the media, but peptides cannot be demonized to the point that you convince every other person that we need to regulate, violently enforce and shut down shipping of peptides.

 

[Fostradamus]

Really interesting contradiction. So you promote all vaccines, on the basis of FDA approval, and call anyone questioning their safety as dangerous, while also calling peptides that are not FDA approved as dangerous, for lack of human trials.

So the covid vaccine that was NOT tested on a single human, is deemed safe by your standards and should required so kids don’t die, merely because it is FDA approved.
While simultaneously, peptides such as Thymosin Alpha-1 and BPC-157 that completed all human trials, and were approved for decades, but then FDA approval revoked as unsafe, because why?!? For no human trials?! But they DID have all human trials. AND a proven track record of success with little to no side effects.

I will agree that peptides should have some human trials under their belt before jumping in. Mice studies don’t always transfer to human success. We are not mice. I, personally, will not use any without human studies.

But who is promoting dangerous unsupported narratives here?!? Please. I beg you to think for yourself with some common sense.

What are you talking about? All of the various COVID-19 vaccines underwent human clinical trials. It's really not hard to find links to them if you want to, but I'm guessing by the tone of your posts you're not going to be that interested in reading them.

 

[Occindemure]

Really interesting contradiction. So you promote all vaccines, on the basis of FDA approval, and call anyone questioning their safety as dangerous, while also calling peptides that are not FDA approved as dangerous, for lack of human trials.

So the covid vaccine that was NOT tested on a single human, is deemed safe by your standards and should required so kids don’t die, merely because it is FDA approved.
While simultaneously, peptides such as Thymosin Alpha-1 and BPC-157 that completed all human trials, and were approved for decades, but then FDA approval revoked as unsafe, because why?!? For no human trials?! But they DID have all human trials. AND a proven track record of success with little to no side effects.

I will agree that peptides should have some human trials under their belt before jumping in. Mice studies don’t always transfer to human success. We are not mice. I, personally, will not use any without human studies.

But who is promoting dangerous unsupported narratives here?!? Please. I beg you to think for yourself with some common sense.

You are spouting nonsense.
"So the covid vaccine that was NOT tested on a single human,"
Do you actually believe this?
Or this?
"while simultaneously, peptides such as Thymosin Alpha-1 and BPC-157 that completed all human trials, and were approved for decades, but then FDA approval revoked as unsafe"

Feel free to post some Docs to support your claims.
You are spreading some ugly misinformation and should have something to back it up