Your SSA Experience…

peptidesupremacy08 said:
Nono, sorry, I thought if I go with a more expensive supplier, then issues wouldn't be present.
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Oh, I understand your thinking. Everyone is just reselling. You can buy a "tested" kit with batch numbers and all but how do you know that particular kit isn't filled with several different runs. You can send a vial off for testing but that literally just tests that one bottle. Just figure out what you personally are comfortable with. Paying more is only a guarantee that you will be out money you could have thrown into possibly a few more kits.
 
mlke6 said:
Oh, I understand your thinking. Everyone is just reselling. You can buy a "tested" kit with batch numbers and all but how do you know that particular kit isn't filled with several different runs. You can send a vial off for testing but that literally just tests that one bottle. Just figure out what you personally are comfortable with. Paying more is only a guarantee that you will be out money you could have thrown into possibly a few more kits.
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I see, that makes plenty of sense. I found this group after I paid like 800 for a 10mg kit from a domestic vendor. I'm so upset that it was basically 10x the price, and the risks you noted are basically still there.

On another note, I just joined the STG telegram. I see that group testing is the norm there, is that what's typically recommended here? I was under the impression that group testing means we can test way more vials, but it seems like they only test 1-2 vials anyways, so might as well just test myself? Or not even test at all and just wait for the results to be public?
 
peptidesupremacy08 said:
I see, that makes plenty of sense. I found this group after I paid like 800 for a 10mg kit from a domestic vendor. I'm so upset that it was basically 10x the price, and the risks you noted are basically still there.

On another note, I just joined the STG telegram. I see that group testing is the norm there, is that what's typically recommended here? I was under the impression that group testing means we can test way more vials, but it seems like they only test 1-2 vials anyways, so might as well just test myself? Or not even test at all and just wait for the results to be public?
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It's really a personal decision, based on your level of risk aversion. Personally, I think the risk is worth the savings. Others are much more cautious.
 
peptidesupremacy08 said:
Do you think that this is a major problem, or is it more something that personally makes you a little uneasy? Their prices seem really good, and I'm just looking to get Retatrutide, so I want to know if it's worth fretting over. I do plan to get at least one vial tested from my order (I can't really afford to test a whole heap of vials atp).

Also, do you know if the issue is going to be remediated at any point? Did your rep say anything about that?

Finally, do you know what other vendors don't have this issue--and offer similar prices?
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Do you think that this is a major problem, or is it more something that personally makes you a little uneasy? Their prices seem really good, and I'm just looking to get Retatrutide, so I want to know if it's worth fretting over. I do plan to get at least one vial tested from my order (I can't really afford to test a whole heap of vials atp).

Major problem? I guess it depends on how much you trust complete strangers who are trying to get into your wallet/purse. If you care a great deal about what you inject into your body, then it would matter more than if you were a MesoRx goon who is willing to inject anything to look good. I consider it highly unlikely that you will inject an alleged GLP and kill yourself but the risk is not zero. I think you're pretty safe if you're testing one of your vials which would make your personal risk much, much lower than untested use. An additional risk-reduction strategy might include finding other buyers around the same time and teaming up to test multiple vials.

Their prices seem really good...
No doubt about that! T120 for .27/mg. and R60 for .55/mg. are insanely cheap prices and, believe me, I'm tempted despite already having a freezer full.

Also, do you know if the issue is going to be remediated at any point? Did your rep say anything about that?

I doubt that SSA will change this policy given my conviction that it helps them sell old product that they would otherwise be stuck with if it could be reliably dated. My rep generally tells me whatever they think I want to hear 😕

Finally, do you know what other vendors don't have this issue--and offer similar prices?

When you spend time in this space, you will find that resellers use a number of strategies to reduce a host of risks including bad product, no product or someone running off with your money. Those risk reduction strategies cost money and will result in higher prices for your gear. I'm ok with that.

Careful research, lots or reading and getting to know some kind people who have been around a while will also help you more than anything. I've been really fortunate in that area although it still took considerable effort on my part.

You seem pretty careful and have given this some thought. This puts you miles ahead of many others out there who are uniformed/ill-informed and couldn't care less about safety issues.
 
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peptidesupremacy08 said:
Are you never worried about the peptides being mixed up? I've heard that can happen, but I'm unsure if it's a significant risk.
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It can and it has, but it's not common. If it did happen, the chances of it killing me are small. I might end up being sick for a few days, and I'm ok with that possibility. I probably take more risk driving my car every day.

Some may think I'm uninformed, but I do have a degree and a decade of experience in nursing, and am fully aware of the risks. I just have a higher risk tolerance than those folks. I also have no allergies and a generally strong constitution.

This is definitely not medical advice, or me saying you shouldn't buy from a more reliable vendor or test your kits. It's simply the way I choose to handle it.

There's a thread from earlier this month with a few other people's opinions titled, "Is anyone actively group testing peptides sourced from China, or just using them based on past results from the supplier?"

Spend some time researching, here and elsewhere, then do what feels right to you.
 
peptidesupremacy08 said:
I see, that makes plenty of sense. I found this group after I paid like 800 for a 10mg kit from a domestic vendor. I'm so upset that it was basically 10x the price, and the risks you noted are basically still there.

On another note, I just joined the STG telegram. I see that group testing is the norm there, is that what's typically recommended here? I was under the impression that group testing means we can test way more vials, but it seems like they only test 1-2 vials anyways, so might as well just test myself? Or not even test at all and just wait for the results to be public?
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Bruh I paid 600 for 60mg from a tele care provider. So mad I didn't take the time to figure out gray before.
 
Soccerdude said:
Bruh I paid 600 for 60mg from a tele care provider. So mad I didn't take the time to figure out gray before.
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Tbf to myself I guess, I didn’t even know this existed when I bought that Reta.
rsmith said:
Do you think that this is a major problem, or is it more something that personally makes you a little uneasy? Their prices seem really good, and I'm just looking to get Retatrutide, so I want to know if it's worth fretting over. I do plan to get at least one vial tested from my order (I can't really afford to test a whole heap of vials atp).

Major problem? I guess it depends on how much you trust complete strangers who are trying to get into your wallet/purse. If you care a great deal about what you inject into your body, then it would matter more than if you were a MesoRx goon who is willing to inject anything to look good. I consider it highly unlikely that you will inject an alleged GLP and kill yourself but the risk is not zero. I think you're pretty safe if you're testing one of your viles which would make your personal risk much, much lower than untested use. An additional risk-reduction strategy might include finding other buyers around the same time and teaming up to test multiple vials.

Their prices seem really good...
No doubt about that! T120 for .27/mg. and R60 for .55/mg. are insanely cheap prices and, believe me, I'm tempted despite already having a freezer full.

Also, do you know if the issue is going to be remediated at any point? Did your rep say anything about that?

I doubt that SSA will change this policy given my conviction that it helps them sell old product that they would otherwise be stuck with if it could be reliably dated. My rep generally tells me whatever they think I want to hear 😕

Finally, do you know what other vendors don't have this issue--and offer similar prices?

When you spend time in this space, you will find that resellers use a number of strategies to reduce a host of risks including bad product, no product or someone running off with your money. Those risk reduction strategies cost money and will result in higher prices for your gear. I'm ok with that.

Careful research, lots or reading and getting to know some kind people who have been around a while will also help you more than anything. I've been really fortunate in that area although it still took considerable effort on my part.

You seem pretty careful and have given this some thought. This puts you miles ahead of many others out there who are uniformed/ill-informed and couldn't care less about safety issues.
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply!

After I posted this I spent some time digging around looking for the STG telegram and found it. I’ve decided I’ll stick with them and just do the group tests. I’m kinda broke right now, but not being fat is a major priority, and so given how many people seem to use them and not have issues, I figure I can tolerate the risk.

Hopefully I don’t get cancer or something…
 
So now a update...
after placing a few big orders with them. I can now say I ran into a issue.
so now more than a month. was told " package cleared etc... fedex will deliver"
no movement not even a fedex got shipment, nothing just a tracking with no movement.

patiently waited. communicated asked for any updates... they keep saying it cleared.
still nothing.
2 weeks ago, I was told "if no movement, reissue shipment"
no movement... shipment not sent out.
Message them about it. get the "the package hasn't been returned, we are waiting"
I am confused at this time.
then I get told it was sent out.
last Friday.. no tracking. but was sent with DH.
still no tracking
I ask again, will there be tracking?
you will get tracking today.
today comes and goes.
No tracking, wondering if it was a waste of $$
even offered to pay for the reshipping to be sent out.

so, it doesn't matter how much you buy or pay,
you may still be jerked around, and stringed along.

it's been like pulling teeth to get answers, and this has led me to really think about placing another order.

tip: pay for the faster shipping its worth it
 
H1n1vrz89 said:
So now a update...
after placing a few big orders with them. I can now say I ran into a issue.
so now more than a month. was told " package cleared etc... fedex will deliver"
no movement not even a fedex got shipment, nothing just a tracking with no movement.

patiently waited. communicated asked for any updates... they keep saying it cleared.
still nothing.
2 weeks ago, I was told "if no movement, reissue shipment"
no movement... shipment not sent out.
Message them about it. get the "the package hasn't been returned, we are waiting"
I am confused at this time.
then I get told it was sent out.
last Friday.. no tracking. but was sent with DH.
still no tracking
I ask again, will there be tracking?
you will get tracking today.
today comes and goes.
No tracking, wondering if it was a waste of $$
even offered to pay for the reshipping to be sent out.

so, it doesn't matter how much you buy or pay,
you may still be jerked around, and stringed along.

it's been like pulling teeth to get answers, and this has led me to really think about placing another order.

tip: pay for the faster shipping its worth it
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They really seem to pick certain orders to just mess with. Before placing an order ask yourself, is this the one that they are going to play around with.
 
Might as well add my story. I did my very first fully grey order through SSA on 8/21 from the China warehouse to catch their last sale for free shipping. Crypto was confirmed immediately. I didn’t hear anything afterwards or get tracking and was thinking I should ping the rep I used (Ray) after reading this thread.

But then realized I should check FedEx. Sure enough, I had tracking there WITH the Chinese tracking # as a cross ref. My order was shipped on 8/24 US time and arrived by air in LA on 8/27 (China is ahead by 1 day, so you do some conversion with dates). It’s currently sitting in customs.

So communication is definitely sparse from SSA because I heard nothing, but once I found the tracking myself it seems shipping was faster than expected.

Let’s hope it clears customs quickly and gets picked up by fedex soon. My rats are hungry.

Update: Just got my FedEx tracking number from the SSA rep unprompted. 🙂 I’ll update again once the package arrives and checks out.
 
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rsmith said:
T120 for .27/mg.

I doubt that SSA will change this policy given my conviction that it helps them sell old product that they would otherwise be stuck with if it could be reliably dated. My rep generally tells me whatever they think I want to hear 😕
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t60 is .29, why bother with t120 unless you resell and need the 10ml bottle?

Have to find someone that has no stock i guess, when it's back it will be new ( unless they buy inventory from others with overstock and change labels )
 
juGGaKNot said:
t60 is .29, why bother with t120 unless you resell and need the 10ml bottle?

Have to find someone that has no stock i guess, when it's back it will be new ( unless they buy inventory from others with overstock and change labels )
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Many people or couples share large mg. vials. I have a vial of R80 that I'm sharing and that I wouldn't use soon enough alone (.55/mg). Tirz in particular appears to be largely bullet proof, lasts many years lyophilized and many months reconstituted. Thus, at larger doses, it's much cheaper at bigger sizes. I never understood why people would waste money on T5, T10, etc.
 
Still waiting on my July 13th order from China. Not sure what shipping company they used, but this is the slowest moving package I've ever experienced.
 
rsmith said:
Many people or couples share large mg. vials. I have a vial of R80 that I'm sharing and that I wouldn't use soon enough alone (.55/mg). Tirz in particular appears to be largely bullet proof, lasts many years lyophilized and many months reconstituted. Thus, at larger doses, it's much cheaper at bigger sizes. I never understood why people would waste money on T5, T10, etc.
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Ditto! I’ve pinned two month old reconstituted tirz after a pause and felt it was just as effective as the day I mixed it up.
 
Based on the SSA Discord posts, they sure got caught up in a sh*storm with that last promo. People going weeks without tracking and weeks after receiving tracking. I’m 15 days in, one shipment seems to have cleared customs and awaiting hand off to USPS. The other exists only as a FedEx label.
 
peptidesupremacy08 said:
Tbf to myself I guess, I didn’t even know this existed when I bought that Reta.

Thank you for the thoughtful reply!

After I posted this I spent some time digging around looking for the STG telegram and found it. I’ve decided I’ll stick with them and just do the group tests. I’m kinda broke right now, but not being fat is a major priority, and so given how many people seem to use them and not have issues, I figure I can tolerate the risk.

Hopefully I don’t get cancer or something…
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I’m kinda broke right now...

I hear ya. That's one of the common side effects of GLP's, LOL
 
peptidesupremacy08 said:
I was under the impression that group testing means we can test way more vials, but it seems like they only test 1-2 vials anyways, so might as well just test myself? Or not even test at all and just wait for the results to be public?
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The assumption is people who buy the same product from the same vendor at the same time are likely to have the same product. That's the assumption. Sending in a few vials from actual 3rd party recipients minimizes cost when divvied up. $300 for one individual, only $3 for 100 individuals.

The only certain result is the actual vial tested and discarded in the lab. That's the highest confidence you can have in the remaining 9 vials. A notch down in confidence is the scenario above with comfort in numbers. The least trustworthy is a vendors test. Today you can see offerings from vendors linked to tests that are months old. Was business that slow or are they running multiple batches and cheaping out on testing? Most dubious are the vendor's who don't spring for vial photos or mention lid color eliminating that disqualifier.

If you're cheap as you've said elsewhere the cheapest "test" is buying your product from a popular vendor and waiting until the testing done by others trickles in. STG is one of the places to check. The catch here is if someone died from their peptide they won't be reporting it! 😉
 
juGGaKNot said:
t60 is .29, why bother with t120 unless you resell and need the 10ml bottle?

Have to find someone that has no stock i guess, when it's back it will be new ( unless they buy inventory from others with overstock and change labels )
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nonyabizznez said:
The assumption is people who buy the same product from the same vendor at the same time are likely to have the same product. That's the assumption. Sending in a few vials from actual 3rd party recipients minimizes cost when divvied up. $300 for one individual, only $3 for 100 individuals.

The only certain result is the actual vial tested and discarded in the lab. That's the highest confidence you can have in the remaining 9 vials. A notch down in confidence is the scenario above with comfort in numbers. The least trustworthy is a vendors test. Today you can see offerings from vendors linked to tests that are months old. Was business that slow or are they running multiple batches and cheaping out on testing? Most dubious are the vendor's who don't spring for vial photos or mention lid color eliminating that disqualifier.

If you're cheap as you've said elsewhere the cheapest "test" is buying your product from a popular vendor and waiting until the testing done by others trickles in. STG is one of the places to check. The catch here is if someone died from their peptide they won't be reporting it! 😉
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That last line is so morbid 🤣

Thank you for the clear explanation though! I think I’ll probably just try to get in on one of the group testing and just send my vial in if possible—I think I’d have the least anxiety this way. If not, just getting in the test is still decent for me.
 
nonyabizznez said:
The assumption is people who buy the same product from the same vendor at the same time are likely to have the same product. That's the assumption. Sending in a few vials from actual 3rd party recipients minimizes cost when divvied up. $300 for one individual, only $3 for 100 individuals.

The only certain result is the actual vial tested and discarded in the lab. That's the highest confidence you can have in the remaining 9 vials. A notch down in confidence is the scenario above with comfort in numbers. The least trustworthy is a vendors test. Today you can see offerings from vendors linked to tests that are months old. Was business that slow or are they running multiple batches and cheaping out on testing? Most dubious are the vendor's who don't spring for vial photos or mention lid color eliminating that disqualifier.

If you're cheap as you've said elsewhere the cheapest "test" is buying your product from a popular vendor and waiting until the testing done by others trickles in. STG is one of the places to check. The catch here is if someone died from their peptide they won't be reporting it! 😉
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The truth is neither of these things really provide that big a meaningful jump in knowledge. If you have 50 people (500 vials) and test 3 of them (0.6%), you basically don't know anything about the batch. You can't really trust the average value in the value, or the purity, as there isn't enough data, especially factoring in the +/- 5-10% accuracy of the tests themselves. I think testing is better than not testing, but statistically it doesn't tell you much. You basically hope those 3 represent the entire batch, but statistically it's a leap of faith from the data, and you mostly have to rely on the vendor doing the right thing.
 
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peptidepower77 said:
The truth is neither of these things really provide that big a meaningful jump in knowledge. If you have 50 people (500 vials) and test 3 of them (0.6%), you basically don't know anything about the batch. You can't really trust the average value in the value, or the purity, as there isn't enough data, especially factoring in the +/- 5-10% accuracy of the tests themselves. I think testing is better than not testing, but statistically it doesn't tell you much. You basically hope those 3 represent the entire batch, but statistically it's a leap of faith from the data, and you mostly have to rely on the vendor doing the right thing.
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This is why I emphasized the word "assumption". Everyone has their own comfort level. I take comfort in numbers. My partner will inject anything I put in a syringe and swallow any pill I put in his pill box without question. 🤷‍♂️
 
Just today I was given a FedEx tracking, I am not too confident in this. and as in big order think of a couple of 3k each

anyways... off to look and research who to now order from in case this falls through.
 
peptidepower77 said:
The truth is neither of these things really provide that big a meaningful jump in knowledge. If you have 50 people (500 vials) and test 3 of them (0.6%), you basically don't know anything about the batch. You can't really trust the average value in the value, or the purity, as there isn't enough data, especially factoring in the +/- 5-10% accuracy of the tests themselves. I think testing is better than not testing, but statistically it doesn't tell you much. You basically hope those 3 represent the entire batch, but statistically it's a leap of faith from the data, and you mostly have to rely on the vendor doing the right thing.
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Actually this brings to mind recent orange top T30. It's been offered by at least 6 vendors (XTP, WBS, TFC, ABC, ALM & GYC) and 2 group buys the last two months. All of them had orange top T30. I was in a small group buy that initially was going to use ABC but went with TFC instead. TFC test looked good and our GB test came back good. ABC's initial testing came back as low mg (2mg I think) SEMA!

There's a lot to digest there! 🤔
 
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nonyabizznez said:
Actually this brings to mind recent orange top T30. It's been offered by at least 6 vendors (XTP, WBS, TFC, ABC, ALM & GYC) and 2 group buys the last two months. All of them had orange top T30 although. I was in a small group buy that initially was going to use ABC but went with TFC instead. TFC test looked good and our GB test came back good. ABC's initial testing came back as low mg (2mg I think) SEMA!

There's a lot to digest there! 🤔
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Yah that's sort of the point I'm making (and you too I think). With just testing 0.6% of the vials, or whatever small number it is, you can't be confident you get a real snapshot of that everyone has. Like I said, it's better than nothing. But the real value is probably in keeping the vendors honest knowing other people are testing (such that they implement proper process control etc). The numbers themselves don't tell you too much, except of course when you get very lucky and find something completely wrong like that one did (but had another donor submitted a vial, it may not have shown up at all).
 
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