Are you a prescriber? Or are you wanting to sell research peptides?
Hey Hey! So there's two sides to this... working with an MD licensed in all 50 states so we can prescribe which a big percentage of the market prefers because even though 503a/b's have loose regulations, there are still regulations and people will pay the premium. But there's obviously a lot of big companies entering the space so trying to figure out on the Rx side what they AREN'T doing that we can. I think a big part of it is the wholistic approach not just hey here are your GLPs have fun. But there's more to it.
See response above 🙂 Would love to get your input on it.
This is super useful- thanks!
Don’t use a manipulative marketing “harm reduction” type strategy. People see through it. You’re trying to make money, don’t be coy about it. Just deliver a good product honestly and your reputation will do the rest. There are too many “hustlers” in this space so you’re not going to beat them with hustle, but there does seem to be a wide open lane if operating with simple integrity is your competitive strategy.
Couldn't agree more... but could you answer one of the questions I had above? If you knew our tesa or BPC was being synthesized in a top quality lab GMP/FDA approved in California, everything tested, yet around the $200 price point for 10mg versus some of these companies selling anywhere from $50-$100... are consumers going the research route more concerned about quality or price? Because as of now it feels like its mainly price which is sort of scary.
They’re a diverse but demanding group. If you can do both then you’ll own the market because as you note there is presently a trade off between the two. If you can only do one or the other then you get the folks who lean on one side of the price-quality spectrum and not the other. You won’t get them all if you don’t deliver everything.
Appreciate you! Will keep the forum posted.
So at that price you're about 10x the chinese. But there is a market for people who aren't comfortable with that. There are already people reselling Chinese peptides at the 10x markup because they have a good marketing department. If you can provide a provably better product at that price you'll definitely be able to scoop up a lot of the people leaving the compounding pharmacy now that the shortage is ending.
Do you think those Chinese peptides are quality or that they aren't faking lab tests? I'm not positive on it but just curious on your thoughts? Feels like there's no way the purity is there.
People test themselves by sending to Janoshik (or other labs). Nobody relies only on 1st or 2nd party tests.
I'm curious even if tests show they're safe, if there's still a serious difference in effect? I know people who have been on research sermorelin vs Rx sermorelin and say it's a game changer.
the tests don't prove its safe. but if you don't have federal agencies overseeing your operation, i don't think you can really prove it either. That's why you'll have to put in the work to convince people yours is safer.
A test won't show it's safe, but (imo) people have been using research peps for years so I personally am not worried about safety at this time. A test will show you the peptide purity and quantity in the vial. Tirz is tirz, the stuff from China is the same peptide.
Thank you all for the information! It's honestly so interesting the trust everyone has in overseas product and how for a lot of people it comes down to finding the cheapest product versus the most trusted product... especially when it comes to injecting yourself with something. I mean I used peptide science products just based on everyone else says its good but how far will that word of mouth chain go 😂
You're dealing with survivor bias here. The majority of people who hang out here have come to just accept the risk. Otherwise why would we be hanging out here.
You might be mistaking trust for hope. When the alternative is pharma prices, you go with what you can afford. I can’t speak for everyone but I personally am clear-eyed about the fact that there is plenty of risk involved in ugl peptides, it’s not like I trust the vendors to keep me safe from that risk. I’m just willing to accept the risk because the alternative — no meds — is worse than the risk in my evaluation (just as @zpped stated)
Well I mean it's a graph right one access has safety and one axis has price and the goal is obviously to find the most affordable products while still sitting at the top percentile of safety. But to some extent the products that are made in safer, cleaner, environments will have higher operating costs and will have to charge more for their products... hence why I'm paying $90-100 for my peptides.
Yeah now this is super understandable I'm just trying to find where that threshold of if people are spending $200 for research product knowing it's top quality can you still get research clients who you're trying to help, or are they just going to keep going to China product that is much cheaper.
You’re looking at this very myopically. There are a lot of dimensions to the risks we are taking.
Ahhhh gotcha- this is great input thanks for taking the time to have the conversation.
What, bro science isn't real? 🙂
I'd happily give you $100 a month if you convinced your stuff was actually safer. But like I said, I don't have any idea how you'd do that without you being under the purview of a trusted 3rd party.
I was chatting with an MD who won't work with any peptides because there isn't enough clinical data. It's interesting though because there's SO much anecdotal evidence and base line stuff for GLPs. But let me see what I can pull together.
That's my COST for one of the products through the FDA registered GMP licensed lab we're working with in the states. So unless I wanted to be out of business before I started, it would be more than $100.
