Endotoxin Warning

tedvio said:
Can I ask, who did you test with and what was the cost?
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I did two separate ones....so my expenses are a bit more than the average for this one.
I sent one to Fin-n-Rick as I have never used them before and I was curious to the results.
It cost $140 to tack on endo testing, they sent it to Krause it came back with 99.9% pure and <0.5 endos....I also sent a vial to Freedom Diagnostics $225 mass/purity $170 for endos.
The only difference in results, Freedom came back with 99.867% purity.
Janoshik report that came with the vial showed 99.822% purity
 
FarmgirlRebel said:
I did two separate ones....so my expenses are a bit more than the average for this one.
I sent one to Fin-n-Rick as I have never used them before and I was curious to the results.
It cost $140 to tack on endo testing, they sent it to Krause it came back with 99.9% pure and <0.5 endos....I also sent a vial to Freedom Diagnostics $225 mass/purity $170 for endos.
The only difference in results, Freedom came back with 99.867% purity.
Janoshik report that came with the vial showed 99.822% purity
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Ouch $
 
CNCCurrency said:
Ouch $
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yeah, no doubt...but part of it was an experiment I wanted to perform. Knowing if I put endos on the Finn test, they'd forward it to Krause for analysis...then Freedom test to see how it lined up with Jano and Krause and with the exception of Jano, which did not perform endotoxin screening, all lined up pretty much the same.
I have never used Krause or Finn for that matter and have heard a lot of negative comments regarding Krause...so, time to experiment. Ultimately Krause wasn't so far off from Freedom and Jano w/the purity coming in at 99.9 and endos matched Freedom
 
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long time peptide user, always bought locally in aus "compound pharmacy prescriptions", never had an issue, been lurking here on forums for a while. Started to look into this EU issue when a few mates, newcomers, became very lethargic and kept getting sick from gray market peps. Of course their source was telling them to take every pep under the sun its all going to make you into superman, so they were taking 6-7 different things at once... curious if we have a collated list of tested products that we can keep track of for forum members? might be helpful 🙂
 
drswole said:
long time peptide user, always bought locally in aus "compound pharmacy prescriptions", never had an issue, been lurking here on forums for a while. Started to look into this EU issue when a few mates, newcomers, became very lethargic and kept getting sick from gray market peps. Of course their source was telling them to take every pep under the sun its all going to make you into superman, so they were taking 6-7 different things at once... curious if we have a collated list of tested products that we can keep track of for forum members? might be helpful 🙂
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Maybe they should time them differently? I space mine out to allow time for endos
 
CNCCurrency said:
Maybe they should time them differently? I space mine out to allow time for endos
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you reckon even just spreading them through the week will suffice? I suggested cycling different things at different times (as in, doing a recovery stack for 6wks) then a building stack, not all of them at once. typical impatient people though.
 
FarmgirlRebel said:
I did two separate ones....so my expenses are a bit more than the average for this one.
I sent one to Fin-n-Rick as I have never used them before and I was curious to the results.
It cost $140 to tack on endo testing, they sent it to Krause it came back with 99.9% pure and <0.5 endos....I also sent a vial to Freedom Diagnostics $225 mass/purity $170 for endos.
The only difference in results, Freedom came back with 99.867% purity.
Janoshik report that came with the vial showed 99.822% purity
long time peptide user, always bought locally in aus "compound pharmacy prescriptions", never had an issue, been lurking here on forums for a while. Started to look into this EU issue when a few mates, newcomers, became very lethargic and kept getting sick from gray market peps. Of course their source was telling them to take every pep under the sun its all going to make you into superman, so they were taking 6-7 different things at once... curious if we have a collated list of tested products that we can keep track of for forum members? might be helpful 🙂
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I am about to do the exact same thing! I'm hopeful on this vendor. Thanks for sharing.
 
What is everyone's "personal comfort level" for endo test results? In a group test that came back with estimated 20EU/vial on a T30 kit. We are probably going to retest as that was above the "accurate" 0-10EU test limits and could be a lot more, or less, than that.
 
nighthawk98 said:
What is everyone's "personal comfort level" for endo test results? In a group test that came back with estimated 20EU/vial on a T30 kit. We are probably going to retest as that was above the "accurate" 0-10EU test limits and could be a lot more, or less, than that.
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I am reasonably comfortable up to 100eu, especially in a vial that will be used across multiple injections

ETA: this is roughly 1/4 of the FDA limit for my size, per hour
 
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V6R3W said:
I am reasonably comfortable up to 100eu, especially in a vial that will be used across multiple injections

ETA: this is roughly 1/4 of the FDA limit for my size, per hour
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I will be buying at least one more T30 kit not of this batch, so I will probably keep it for 7.5mg or less dosing, meaning it will be split across at least 4 uses. It helps that I decided on a 5 day schedule.
 
nighthawk98 said:
What is everyone's "personal comfort level" for endo test results? In a group test that came back with estimated 20EU/vial on a T30 kit. We are probably going to retest as that was above the "accurate" 0-10EU test limits and could be a lot more, or less, than that.
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Pharma grade probably is higher than 20eu per vial
 
I know the black caps replaced the T30 orange caps and that they are being tested currently. Has anyone had any problems with them at all?
 
manfisher said:
If people realized how easy group testing is, there wouldn't be a single one of you who wouldn't test, there is literally no reason not to.
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sooo....im very interested! i got an order on the way from a board sponsor and once it gets here I was planning to place another order for a little more reta and Tirz. Id be 100% down to throw in on tests (im assuming thats how it works, everyone either puts in money or vials to be tested). Im doing this for myself....so running 2-4 tests gets very expensive very quickly...but i really wanna do it
 
FamousGoodkitty said:
This is correct. In 2023 - it was rare to find testing among the Gray Market Peptide places. Then the PTDS testing server was started in Summer 2023. Testing took off. By the end of 2024 - It was an expected part of the sales process. The community demanded testing, and then did their own tests too.... The Gray Market Community moved the goalpost by staying steadfast and consistent in wanting and doing testing. It can be done again , if the community starts endotoxin testing and starts demanding it as an expected part of the sales process.... it will again move the goal post. Remember, the Chinese sellers are not our honey or friend. They are in this for the money. The less they have to put out for testing the more money they make. Even claiming things over several months is the "same batch" is just a ruse for money sake. True batches don't last that long if they are active sellers. They are just using that to confuse people, make it difficult to follow, and to save themselves money.
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I would pay extra for peptides that had endotoxin testing included. Maybe some people want to do it on their own, but I would think in general the majority would want this done and pay a little extra. So the vendor does the endotoxin testing and passes the cost on. It couldn’t possibly that much more. Why is there not a vendor doing this regularly? They would increase their volume and profit. I don’t get it.
 
Clyde22 said:
I would pay extra for peptides that had endotoxin testing included. Maybe some people want to do it on their own, but I would think in general the majority would want this done and pay a little extra. So the vendor does the endotoxin testing and passes the cost on. It couldn’t possibly that much more. Why is there not a vendor doing this regularly? They would increase their volume and profit. I don’t get it.
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FYI, all the GB I do, all have Endo testing included. That's like 6 or 8 GB I ordered from recently. I'd have to look at all the ones I'm in.
 
Clyde22 said:
I would pay extra for peptides that had endotoxin testing included. Maybe some people want to do it on their own, but I would think in general the majority would want this done and pay a little extra. So the vendor does the endotoxin testing and passes the cost on. It couldn’t possibly that much more. Why is there not a vendor doing this regularly? They would increase their volume and profit. I don’t get it.
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Don't trust CoAs from vendors
 
BNLFL said:
FYI, all the GB I do, all have Endo testing included. That's like 6 or 8 GB I ordered from recently. I'd have to look at all the ones I'm in.
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BNLFL said:
FYI, all the GB I do, all have Endo testing included. That's like 6 or 8 GB I ordered from recently. I'd have to look at all the ones I'm in.
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BNLFL said:
FYI, all the GB I do, all have Endo testing included. That's like 6 or 8 GB I ordered from recently. I'd have to look at all the ones I'm in.
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I just started looking at group buys. I did not know some of them did endo testing. I’ll have to keep digging. Thanks
 
BNLFL said:
FYI, all the GB I do, all have Endo testing included. That's like 6 or 8 GB I ordered from recently. I'd have to look at all the ones I'm in.
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Would you get your endo testing done through a group buy or from a from joining a group test and why?
 
Calm Logic said:
Ideally, both sides would be testing endos, as with M&P (mass and purity).
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indolent said:
Don't trust CoAs from vendors
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Ok. I read a little more. Thanks. That makes sense. I guess I ultimately I have to take care of it myself. Either maybe through a group buy doing the testing, or joining a group test, or independently on my own. I’m trying to figure out the most cost effective and safest way to start doing this. I’ve been paying for Tirz through Lily out of pocket and it’s absurdly expensive. Quite frankly I’d also prefer to try other peptides anyway.
 
So what endotoxins are being tested for and/or what bacteria are they coming from? I'm unfamiliar with the production process for some of these peptides. Is there a gene insert put into a bacterial plasmid to have the bacteria produce the desired peptide and those bacteria are the potential source of endotoxins?


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What the data reveals:

  • Serious quantities of endotoxins are not common, but do happen. The severity of endotoxins exposure means even such a low probability of occurrence warrants scrutiny
  • Nearly 63% of samples tested for endotoxins were found to contain none at all
  • 29% caused a response from the test, showing small quantities present in the sample, but below the “Limit of Quantification” and definitely not dangerous
  • Nearly 8% of samples were found to contain more than the limit of quantification, i.e. a detectable, quantifiable amount, if not necessarily outright dangerous.

    https://www.the scammers manipulati...og/why-endotoxin-testing-matters-for-peptides
 
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BNLFL said:
They all started doing a while ago. I don't do anything but buy the stuff, the GB vendor takes care of that.
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GB you mean group buy right? I am interested in a group buy with endotoxin testing. There is a list going but I guess it’s only open for members to apply. I am still a noob.
 
Dumme said:
I am interested in g

GB you mean group buy right? I am interested in a group buy with endotoxin testing. There is a list going but I guess it’s only open for members to apply. I am still a noob.
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You need to join the groups, and sometimes you need to be approved. One place, has turned off new members joining. He has a big GB coming.
 
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