Endotoxin Warning

unclebuff702 said:
From what I understand, endo toxicity is dependent on how much you inject relative to your size. The FDA's (for what it's worth) safety limit is 5 EU per kg of bodyweight per hour.
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So I reconstituted a wolverine vial (5mg of each) with 2ml bacwater.

First dose 500mcg
Second dose 250mcg
Both doses in the mornings of the space of two days.

At the end of the second day before bed started feeling slightly unwell.

Woke up yesterday wanting to throw up, had nausea and dizzy all day. Apart from having an itchy sensation on my skin.

Didn’t take a dose today and feel fine, could this be an endotoxin reaction ?
 
Llanitox said:
So I reconstituted a wolverine vial (5mg of each) with 2ml bacwater.

First dose 500mcg
Second dose 250mcg
Both doses in the mornings of the space of two days.

At the end of the second day before bed started feeling slightly unwell.

Woke up yesterday wanting to throw up, had nausea and dizzy all day. Apart from having an itchy sensation on my skin.

Didn’t take a dose today and feel fine, could this be an endotoxin reaction ?
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I would say likey not an endo reaction. Endotoxins are highly acute pyrogens and your immune system has a much faster reaction to them than what you're describing, like mins to hours, not days. From what you're describing, specifically the itching, I would assume a histamine reaction and systemic reaction to the peppers. Have you taken Wolverine before or were these your first two doses? Too much too fast and you can get some nausea and dizziness. The BPC specifically modulates the dopaminergic and serotonergic systems in your gut and brain and activate your vagal nerve, hence the dizziness and nausea. Also should add this is not medical advice 😂
 
unclebuff702 said:
I would say likey not an endo reaction. Endotoxins are highly acute pyrogens and your immune system has a much faster reaction to them than what you're describing, like mins to hours, not days. From what you're describing, specifically the itching, I would assume a histamine reaction and systemic reaction to the peppers. Have you taken Wolverine before or were these your first two doses? Too much too fast and you can get some nausea and dizziness. The BPC specifically modulates the dopaminergic and serotonergic systems in your gut and brain and activate your vagal nerve, hence the dizziness and nausea. Also should add this is not medical advice 😂
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I know bro but you’re the first person who has actually given me an actual answer and trust me I’ve been asking all day ! So thank you !!!!

I’ve taken wolverine before albeit it was a single vial I bought off a local supplier it was so good that’s what brought me to buy a kit.

Maybe I should lower the dose with this current vial or skip a day in between ? But did think 250mcg was quite low tbh.

Seriously thank you !
 
Llanitox said:
I know bro but you’re the first person who has actually given me an actual answer and trust me I’ve been asking all day ! So thank you !!!!

I’ve taken wolverine before albeit it was a single vial I bought off a local supplier it was so good that’s what brought me to buy a kit.

Maybe I should lower the dose with this current vial or skip a day in between ? But did think 250mcg was quite low tbh.

Seriously thank you !
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You're welcome 🤗

If you've taken before and didn't have this reaction, I would stop for at least a week. You could just have caught a bug or something, and when you start back, start at a ridiculously low pin and titrate up. If you still have the same reaction you know it's the Wolverine and into the trash it goes lol.

Good luck 🤞
 
Clyde22 said:
Ok. I read a little more. Thanks. That makes sense. I guess I ultimately I have to take care of it myself. Either maybe through a group buy doing the testing, or joining a group test, or independently on my own. I’m trying to figure out the most cost effective and safest way to start doing this. I’ve been paying for Tirz through Lily out of pocket and it’s absurdly expensive. Quite frankly I’d also prefer to try other peptides anyway.
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Same boat. And no matter what the upperclassmen say here, trying to land a reliable group test is like trying to find a life raft on the Titanic.
 
Aterna13 said:
Same boat. And no matter what the upperclassmen say here, trying to land a reliable group test is like trying to find a life raft on the Titanic.
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Are you using Telegram?
Join STG and look at the "Group Test Invites" channel.
Find which vendors are most frequently tested as well as which size (T30 is popular).
Buy that size from that vendor.
Find out the batch number of the kit you are buying.
Search the "Group Test Invites" channel for that batch number to find current open test groups or the "Test Results" channel for completed test results.
/Profit
 

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Clyde22 said:
Ok. I read a little more. Thanks. That makes sense. I guess I ultimately I have to take care of it myself. Either maybe through a group buy doing the testing, or joining a group test, or independently on my own. I’m trying to figure out the most cost effective and safest way to start doing this. I’ve been paying for Tirz through Lily out of pocket and it’s absurdly expensive. Quite frankly I’d also prefer to try other peptides anyway.
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Do not do a group buy. That involves trusting someone! group testing can be done in a way that you are never just bestowing trust.

I found a lot of helpful guides in stairway to gray
 
Justatechdude said:
Do not do a group buy. That involves trusting someone! group testing can be done in a way that you are never just bestowing trust.
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Who told you this nonsense? 110% incorrect. I've bought 22/kits here recently. 220 vials of Reta I wanted, and waiting for 1 GB to open with a crazy low price for R30.
 
cheesecake said:
220 vials? Are you preparing for the apocalypse, reselling, or just hoarding? I am impressed!
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Hahahaha, let's call it planning (hoarding) for any future issues. I'll have 32 kits/320 vials. when all the new stuff shows. It's kind of fun too, and hard form me to pass a good deal compared to the ridiculous price I paid when starting buying singles. Then I found this place.
 
BNLFL said:
Who told you this nonsense? 110% incorrect. I've bought 22/kits here recently. 220 vials of Reta I wanted, and waiting for 1 GB to open with a crazy low price for R30.
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It’s funny I saw myself responding to the post and then looked through the history and I was like whoa I am all o er the same posts at BNLFL.

Let me respond later when I have time to put together my thoughts.

I’m definitely interested in hearing what you have to say
 
BNLFL said:
Who told you this nonsense? 110% incorrect. I've bought 22/kits here recently. 220 vials of Reta I wanted, and waiting for 1 GB to open with a crazy low price for R30.
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Bear with me

Post in thread 'Can we talk about Group Buys here?'
https://glp1forum.com/threads/can-we-talk-about-group-buys-here.17300/post-174228

. And clearly I don’t have nearly as much purchases in history or experiences, right I’m a noob trying play it safe (irony).

I thought there was a moderator post saying “ group buys” are mostly vendor managed buys and trying to get a large pre-order together and then you really can’t trust them with their testing because they’re a vendor right?!? that’s like having a vendor provide a COA. Also, then with other group buys, you got exit scams where people collect the money and maybe collect the files but never distribute them.

So that’s why I was leaning towards like group testing you know you buy your batch and then you find a group to test with and you don’t really have to do nearly as much trust in a group test based off my reading, right I’ve only done this like once
 
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indolent said:
If 30mg, you're only set for a bit more than 66 years at max reta dose. What happens after that if you can't get it anymore?😱
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I have from R15-R140. I figured 17 years. Adding up the mg, I'll have 12,980. My wife and I are both at 8mg so 16mg/week. That's 64mg/month x12 months=768/year. 12,980 divided by 768/year =16.9 years.
 
BNLFL said:
You need to join the groups, and sometimes you need to be approved. One place, has turned off new members joining. He has a big GB coming.
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BNLFL said:
Who told you this nonsense? 110% incorrect. I've bought 22/kits here recently. 220 vials of Reta I wanted, and waiting for 1 GB to open with a crazy low price for R30.
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I’ll trust someone easy! Lead me in that direction bro!
 
BNLFL said:
I have from R15-R140. I figured 17 years. Adding up the mg, I'll have 12,980. My wife and I are both at 8mg so 16mg/week. That's 64mg/month x12 months=768/year. 12,980 divided by 768/year =16.9 years.
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There is a saying jn counseling "If its not a problem, its not a problem". If someone is engaged in a behavior that maybe isn't ideal but it isn't messing up their life, destroying their relationships, messing them up financially, etc. and they dont want to change it, then there is no reason to try and get them to change it. Therefore, it is not a problem.

That said, you have a problem. 😉
 
Justatechdude said:
Bear with me

Post in thread 'Can we talk about Group Buys here?'
https://glp1forum.com/threads/can-we-talk-about-group-buys-here.17300/post-174228

. And clearly I don’t have nearly as much purchases in history or experiences, right I’m a noob trying play it safe (irony).

I thought there was a moderator post saying “ group buys” are mostly vendor managed buys and trying to get a large pre-order together and then you really can’t trust them with their testing because they’re a vendor right?!? that’s like having a vendor provide a COA. Also, then with other group buys, you got exit scams where people collect the money and maybe collect the files but never distribute them.

So that’s why I was leaning towards like group testing you know you buy your batch and then you find a group to test with and you don’t really have to do nearly as much trust in a group test based off my reading, right I’ve only done this like once
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While I agree, and that may be the China based ones. All of mine are USA based, and the packages have US address. I totally feel comfortable with the people I'm dealing on these GB's I've done, or am doing. All repeats, and not some B/S/T people. Trust me, I've looked at all their past GB, Review/comments, how many group members, who's the supplier if it's listed. I generally just don't go GB hunting. Never looked at STG vendors. I've relied on friends here to. Every transaction has been fine so far. Been a couple time frame issue, but the vendor makes you well aware when ordering and the give update when they get them. There's my O2.
 
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BNLFL said:
I have from R15-R140. I figured 17 years. Adding up the mg, I'll have 12,980. My wife and I are both at 8mg so 16mg/week. That's 64mg/month x12 months=768/year. 12,980 divided by 768/year =16.9 years.
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lol, I thought I was bad......well, actually I still kind of am. I have about 7 years worth of tirz, and 7 years worth of reta, for both my partner and I. I figure there will likely be something better available before we come close to using it all.
 
BNLFL said:
Never looked at STG vendors. I've relied on friends here to. Every transaction has been fine so far. Been a couple time frame issue, but the vendor makes you well aware when ordering and the give update when they get them. There's my O2.
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Tbh, STG has not been much help to me at all this whole time.
 
sheilarae74 said:
Tbh, STG has not been much help to me at all this whole time.
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No kidding? I’m curious how you got the confidence for your first gray purchase.
The vendor testing spreadsheet gave me confidence that I could find a testing group after purchasing.
 
sheilarae74 said:
Tbh, STG has not been much help to me at all this whole time.
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May I ask - why do you think that is? The way the site is organized on TG? Or is search not good enough? Not enough vendors? People not helpful?

I thought that they were very proactive in managing vendors. Seems like they mediate disagreements with vendors and kick them out if they don't behave. Don't know how true or useful that is.

Just curious.
 
tcpnomad said:
May I ask - why do you think that is? The way the site is organized on TG? Or is search not good enough? Not enough vendors? People not helpful?

I thought that they were very proactive in managing vendors. Seems like they mediate disagreements with vendors and kick them out if they don't behave. Don't know how true or useful that is.

Just curious.
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All of the above.
 
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