Vendor Rant question

[Gt3294a]

Exactly my thoughts. A lot of old timers here thats been scammed, got delayed orders, got product with QA issues etc so to them its basically the thought process is if we went through it then its ok if you guys go through it. I was in the military and every old timer was pretty much the same lol.

Nope. It’s because there are always over-reactions to bad customer service like it is a scam. Posts will imply it’s is a scam, and instead it is an inventory issue or bad customer service if you want to call it that. And then there are under- or over-dosing issues. Endotoxin issues. Etc. The latter issues are often more noteworthy to a lot here. The point is - this ain’t Four Seasons. But feel free to complain about customer service all you want. I am not saying it is not valuable.

 

[BNLFL]

It's a nice view just sitting here on the sidelines enjoying the show. Might be a new one I saw in here that'll make the I button.

 

[FartfulCodger]

Thats super common. You are trying to rush the process buying your gray market medication, if you needed something in a hurry its best not to rely on Chinese drug dealers.

Note that no one is trying to "rush the process". Rather, they're expecting the vendor to live up to his/her promised delivery timeframe, i.e. the feature the customer likely paid a premium price for.

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Note that no one is trying to "rush the process". Rather, they're expecting the vendor to live up to his/her promised delivery timeframe, i.e. the feature the customer likely paid a premium price for.

Meh, thats an American concept. Ive learned in the last year Chinese operate on different assumptions.

 

[FartfulCodger]

Meh, thats an American concept. Ive learned in the last year Chinese operate on different assumptions.

Agreed. A fundamental philosophical difference.

The West: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
China: 能骗就骗

The question then becomes "How much business do I want to do with them?" And "Should they adapt their business practices to become more profitable with their Western customers?"

 

[Skidude]

I mean I ordered from a US warehouse since I needed the material ASAP. 10 days later still no tracking and now they wanna tell me to change my order and they will try to ship it from China. Everyday is a different excuse and when I bring up the word refund they ghost me for a day then back with another excuse the next day.

If this is accurate there are a few things to consider:
I ordered from a US warehouse since I needed the material ASAP
Ordering grey from anyone "ASAP" is not advised. It is grey: subject to customs, stealth, and stock. Many potential delays.
now they wanna tell me to change my order
I have had orders from US delayed and then shipped from china to a US location, this avoids customs direct to me but does cause delays. There was no need to CHANGE MY ORDER just a delay.

I think you have some valid complaints, but this market is not like buying something legaly from a company. You are buying from foreign drug dealers, pirated items, that are not supposed to be sold. Please take that with a grain of salt.

I do feel for you, maybe you need to buy a single vial from someone that specializes in US only sales to hold you over?

Good Luck!

 

[Bird_of_Hermes]

You are buying from foreign drug dealers, pirated items, that are not supposed to be sold. Please take that with a grain of salt.

I am again confused why we should hold our reviews back and expect low quality service just because of those things.

There are plenty of vendors, and once they start getting feedback about their products relative value (which includes communication and logistics), we will likely get more expensive ones that have a more white glove approach, and likely cheaper ones that the expectation going in is shenanigans.

 

[Skidude]

I am again confused why we should hold our reviews back and expect low quality service just because of those things.

There are plenty of vendors, and once they start getting feedback about their products relative value (which includes communication and logistics), we will likely get more expensive ones that have a more white glove approach, and likely cheaper ones that the expectation going in is shenanigans.

It is not an expectation of low quality service, it is an understanding that the nature of the business makes it difficult to perform at the same level as a service that is legal and above board.

The amount of complaints from new people who do not understand this would likely be 60-70% of the reviews.

If a delay is the only reason you go to another vendor, you may be buying for the wrong reasons. This is a VERY grey area, we are more concerned here about actual product quality/quantity/sterility; not so much concierge services and convenience.

My 2 cents...

 

[Whiynot20026]

Like a few in here it’s interesting reading this thread. And I’m sorry for the OPs dissatisfaction. It’s understandable. I think a lot of people like me started with compounding and honestly I found one compounder I could easily go back to. They were great. But when we find the grey market we open the door to another great option to find our Pepitides. It starts off very wonderful and exciting. But than you start seeing and realizing that not all vendors are created equal. But I do see most vendors with their fancy adds and guarantees suck some pinners in. And when they dont deliver and they complain about the vendor you all give them a slide. Saying they’re Chinese drug dealers. Let’s give them a tad bit more credit than that. Let people be upset about promises not being delivered. That’s why we are here.

Bill

 

[alphaamigo]

I am again confused why we should hold our reviews back and expect low quality service just because of those things.

There are plenty of vendors, and once they start getting feedback about their products relative value (which includes communication and logistics), we will likely get more expensive ones that have a more white glove approach, and likely cheaper ones that the expectation going in is shenanigans.

I don't think you need to be confused. I've dealt with a dozen vendors over the last year. They all advertise themselves as being fast, convenient, pure, etc. But when you read their terms, they only make very specific guarantees, usually that you will get it through customs and the purity will be 99% or something. I don't know which vendor this poster used, nor do I care to know, but I truly doubt they guaranteed that it would get to him in a certain window of time. Now, it sounds like there was an issue with stock. This will make a worthy thing to note if/when the review comes out, but what I would want to know, more than the stock question, is how they resolved the issue when it came up. Did they make it right? Did they communicate the options and find a solution?

I'm not defending this vendor. Again, I don't know which vendor it is. I'm just also not expressing sympathy for a customer who is only really upset because he needed it fast, something which is not really the vendor's problem. There are places where you can get it quick and pay $200 for a vial.

 

[Stace_wow]

Whenever I buy with an overseas supplier, I never give stock to any timing they say, US based warehouse or not. If I need product now, I have an American company that ships to me in 3 days flat.

Maybe you should try and find you someone that is local to you that ships quickly so you have that back up. Yes the prices are far higher, but for me, its comforting knowing that I can chill while my overseas supplier ships my order, because I have someone local I can reach out to for fast and reliable service if needed.

We can't always do things normally in this space, and sometimes its our own expectations that need to be adjusted. Good luck OP

 

[indolent]

The Gonkulator has most generously posted a clear guideline for exactly this situation (no exception upfront for USA warehouse situations, but clearly when the time is right to post a proper review, that would be mentioned succinctly) ...

Reviews should only be left for completed transactions (or transactions that have reached a point of impasse after a minimum of 60 days trying to resolve an issue). Too many people post reviews only to come back later with regrets or other complaints that could have been avoided by waiting until a transaction was complete. Including any kind of "will update..." in a review means it's too early to post a review.

The full volume of guidelines is on this here webpage.

 

[CJsMom]

The vendor had an issue with their stock. They thought it was available at the point of sale but found out it wasn't when they went to the store room. That happens in every business at some point - even Amazon. Are you right to be disappointed - sure you are, but I don't know what you want them to do about it. They can't produce an OOS item out of thin air. As someone else said, you can buy a single vial to hold you over if time is of the essence, or you can go to another vendor with a US warehouse and overnight shipping, and put this item in your stash when it finally arrives.

 

[indolent]

Walmart does in fact sell tirzepatide and semaglutide. It's available immediately if they say it is. It's something like $1,100 USD for a 4-week supply and is convenient in every imaginable way. It lives rant-free in your head. As an alternative, not as a basis for comparative expectations.

It's the preferable option for most people. Versus criminal-syndicate illegal-drug pushers from foreign business cultures with interests that differ from yours, yours, mine and Walmart's.

 

[FartfulCodger]

The vendor had an issue with their stock. They thought it was available at the point of sale but found out it wasn't when they went to the store room.

And that's the whole purpose of writing reviews. To make other buyers aware of this issue with a particular vendor.

 

[HARLEYV2]

Because some have been around in these circles for 30 years. It’s never been this easy, cheap, or convenient. These people don’t have SAP inventory systems. The “warehouse”, I imagine, is half the time some Chinese lady’s apartments. I’m just saying when you put it all in context, trust me, it’s pretty good now. That’s not to say you find your vendors that you like and stick with them. Anyway, imagine going to the grocery store, sending western union cash to some place like Poland off a moderator tip, and hoping shit comes 3-4 weeks. That was early days.

Excellent points. I would imagine if there is a US Warehouse. There are many Companies pulling stock from that warehouse. They probably don't have real time data on supply. It's what 1am in China now . Sales people have to sleep sometimes. The stuff moves fast. I see lists from different sites that have the same inventory, but different prices though. Delaware and Oregon warehouses I believe. Now if while they are sleeping product get sold they aren't going to know that. Not defending the practice, but I could see how it could end up Fubar!

 

[CJsMom]

And that's the whole purpose of writing reviews. To make other buyers aware of this issue with a particular vendor.

And the OP can absolutely write a review when this is finished. But a "rant?" This is an inconvenience. Maybe a very big inconvenience for the OP. But it is something that happens in every business at some point. Unless there was a recurring issue whereby the vendor was making this mistake all the time, I would not dismiss a vendor that I otherwise liked because of an OOS mistake. 💩 happens.

 

[Mochizuki0124]

The vendor had an issue with their stock. They thought it was available at the point of sale but found out it wasn't when they went to the store room. That happens in every business at some point - even Amazon. Are you right to be disappointed - sure you are, but I don't know what you want them to do about it. They can't produce an OOS item out of thin air. As someone else said, you can buy a single vial to hold you over if time is of the essence, or you can go to another vendor with a US warehouse and overnight shipping, and put this item in your stash when it finally arrives.

I know running out of stock isnt uncommon, whats uncommon is waiting 9 days to tell me they are out of stock and being repeatedly told that its going to ship tomorrow.

 

[Skidude]

ITT: people not letting facts or common sense prevent them from having an opinion...

End Rant:

😛

 

[Mochizuki0124]

If this is accurate there are a few things to consider:
I ordered from a US warehouse since I needed the material ASAP
Ordering grey from anyone "ASAP" is not advised. It is grey: subject to customs, stealth, and stock. Many potential delays.
now they wanna tell me to change my order
I have had orders from US delayed and then shipped from china to a US location, this avoids customs direct to me but does cause delays. There was no need to CHANGE MY ORDER just a delay.

I think you have some valid complaints, but this market is not like buying something legaly from a company. You are buying from foreign drug dealers, pirated items, that are not supposed to be sold. Please take that with a grain of salt.

I do feel for you, maybe you need to buy a single vial from someone that specializes in US only sales to hold you over?

Good Luck!

I agree that grey has to navigate customs and stock.. which is why I paid extra for something thats supposed to be in the US warehouse.

It basically eliminates most of the customs issues and I was specifically told the material was in stock, it also took them 9 days to tell me its not in stock. Had they told me that sooner then I couldve gone to another vendor right away or worked a deal with them based on whats in stock but instead its 9 days of yeah it will ship tomorrow. Now theyre forcing me to pick from the CN warehouse and they dont even have the original item that I came to them for.

 

[Turbo-Farmer]

I know running out of stock isnt uncommon, whats uncommon is waiting 9 days to tell me they are out of stock and being repeatedly told that its going to ship tomorrow.

60 days is the standard set by the moderators.

 

[Mochizuki0124]

60 days is the standard set by the moderators.

yep 60 before I can post a review, which is why I didnt post a review yet. What i was wondering is if I can post something naming the Vendor just in the general forum.

 

[ladyj779]

I Amazon subscribe and save to Muscle Milk Banana Creme protein powder. I get it every month. It normally arrives ~the 15th. Around the 18th, I was told it would be here on the 20th. On the 23rd, I was told between the 28th and the 30th. And I apparently can't buy it anywhere else right now, either.

And that's Amazon, and a major market leader, and a product I refuse to accept anyone but me actually wants 😂😂😂

 

[BBA1969]

That's why we all get an extra freezer and order when our inventory drops under a years worth of a certain peptide 😉

 

[Mochizuki0124]

I Amazon subscribe and save to Muscle Milk Banana Creme protein powder. I get it every month. It normally arrives ~the 15th. Around the 18th, I was told it would be here on the 20th. On the 23rd, I was told between the 28th and the 30th. And I apparently can't buy it anywhere else right now, either.

And that's Amazon, and a major market leader, and a product I refuse to accept anyone but me actually wants 😂😂😂

But you can easily get refunded for Amazon right?

 

[FLglpguy]

I'm a new guy BUT I will share my view and try to offer some wisdom to the OP.

I manage a team of very well experienced and skilled salespeople. It never fails, one of them will come to me damn-near every day with some silly-ass issue that they consider will be priority #1 to resolved.

I patiently listen to the dribble, with deep focus and great eye contact and when they pause, I ask them "Are you done?" "Is that everything?" The most seasoned rep on my team loves to watch these interactions while laughing his ass off. He can't wait for the ending so he can ask them what my thoughts were. He can see the conversation and the gestures from his desk because my office is clear glass. Each and every time this happens, I simply reply..."Your poor planning will never become my emergency." Please go resolve this and plan better in the future.

OP, my advice to you is to go resolve this and plan better in the future. Your poor planning is not the emergency of the vendor or the forum.

 

[Flash-BCR]

That's why we all get an extra freezer and order when our inventory drops under a years worth of a certain peptide 😉

Right?...I came into greys knowing that it was not going to be an instant gratification process. I started on Doctor Office Tirz, moved on to compounded, then single vial sellers. I knew greys were the way to go from the outset but knew there was going to be a learning, crypto, vendor, equipment, reconning curve to get through before I ever had a first pin of grey sourced peps...I had about a 6 month supply of compounded/single vial tirz and could survive through just about any drawn out logistics...

 

[Skidude]

Right?...I came into greys knowing that it was not going to be an instant gratification process. I started on Doctor Office Tirz, moved on to compounded, then single vial sellers. I knew greys were the way to go from the outset but knew there was going to be a learning, crypto, vendor, equipment, reconning curve to get through before I ever had a first pin of grey sourced peps...I had about a 6 month supply of compounded/single vial tirz and could survive through just about any drawn out logistics...

I had a similar experience, using up a few months of compound while studying grey, then buying Nexa for first order until comfortable with crypto.

This is a reviewable experience, and those who say it is bad service are not necessarily wrong, there is just a standard for reviews as a result of 99 out of 100 times we end up getting, as Paul Harvey would say, THE REST OF THE STORY...

 

[BBA1969]

Right?...I came into greys knowing that it was not going to be an instant gratification process. I started on Doctor Office Tirz, moved on to compounded, then single vial sellers. I knew greys were the way to go from the outset but knew there was going to be a learning, crypto, vendor, equipment, reconning curve to get through before I ever had a first pin of grey sourced peps...I had about a 6 month supply of compounded/single vial tirz and could survive through just about any drawn out logistics...

I have 54 weeks of Tirz and 56 weeks of Reta at the current dose / stack in my freezer. I guess I will be ordering in three to four weeks.

I need this peace of mind.

 

[qwertyuiop]

I'm a new guy BUT I will share my view and try to offer some wisdom to the OP.

I manage a team of very well experienced and skilled salespeople. It never fails, one of them will come to me damn-near every day with some silly-ass issue that they consider will be priority #1 to resolved.

I patiently listen to the dribble, with deep focus and great eye contact and when they pause, I ask them "Are you done?" "Is that everything?" The most seasoned rep on my team loves to watch these interactions while laughing his ass off. He can't wait for the ending so he can ask them what my thoughts were. He can see the conversation and the gestures from his desk because my office is clear glass. Each and every time this happens, I simply reply..."Your poor planning will never become my emergency." Please go resolve this and plan better in the future.

OP, my advice to you is to go resolve this and plan better in the future. Your poor planning is not the emergency of the vendor or the forum.

I'm not seeing what that situation has to do with this one. This is more like if your salesperson advertised a 3 day delivery of a product and was not able to deliver on that (because of an error the salesperson made), kept lying about the delivery date over and over, and then you got mad at the paying customer for leaving a bad review of your business.

Sure, it would be wise for OP to order ahead of time in the future but that also doesn't absolve the vendor.