Pep winter is coming - get your orders in NOW!

zpped said:
Because this post isn't for us. It's for the people that don't know and don't have a stock already in their freezer that are going to be flooding in here to complain that no one has answered their whatsapp or that they have been ripped off because their stuff hasn't arrived yet.
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That's going to happen regardless of Chinese New Year celebrations....
 
noteablequotable said:
Since I'm so dishonorable in spite of the fact that I was clear about not knowing anything you two can permanently fuck off and never talk to me again. I always engage sincerely and honestly and NEVER SAID QSC was proven to have shipped kits with no peptide. I said it sounded like a potential case that wasn't verified with testing.



@Glp1judd
@brentm
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We don’t “suspect so”. In any way,

And like BrentM said, there is zero reason to start a rumor like that.

You’re just being a busy body, running around creating drama.

And I don’t think you’re dense, but in case you are let me break in down like this: there’s no bigger worry and no bigger sin in this peptide world than someone shipping something that isn’t exactly what they represented it to be. For any reason. It’s seriously a reputation and business killer, and you don’t get another chance.

If you’re going to even allude to something like that, and risk anyone’s business and livelihood and hard work, you BETTER HAVE THE FUCKING PROOF.

Not having it, and just furthering doubt through innuendo is beyond shameful. I think / hope you can see that.

I realize I may have been less than clear and didn’t anticipate that someone might take my comment and blow it up out of context and try to create a rumor. I regret that. I don’t have ability to edit/delete that post, maybe @exploitedworkerbee can help?

Meanwhile, just stop.
 
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Based on my observations of the online pep/glp communities on reddit, Facebook, telegram/Discord/Discourse/Pepchat, and traditional forums like this, I feel like "my pep feels less effective" is the most useless metric out there. It's the same with all the "TCI feels cleaner/pure/stronger" BS. Just purely subjective nonsense. How many posts on reddit are there along the lines of "my new vial doesn't feel like it's working?"

I think there are MANY legitimate reasons to drag QSC through the mud over, but taking the current case of the empty vials and trying to lump QSC in because an end user isn't feeling their expected results from what are (in my opinion) pretty finicky medications is just not fair.
 
geoguy78 said:
Based on my observations of the online pep/glp communities on reddit, Facebook, telegram/Discord/Discourse/Pepchat, and traditional forums like this, I feel like "my pep feels less effective" is the most useless metric out there. It's the same with all the "TCI feels cleaner/pure/stronger" BS. Just purely subjective nonsense. How many posts on reddit are there along the lines of "my new vial doesn't feel like it's working?"

I think there are MANY legitimate reasons to drag QSC through the mud over, but taking the current case of the empty vials and trying to lump QSC in because an end user isn't feeling their expected results from what are (in my opinion) pretty finicky medications is just not fair.
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Good luck and God bless. I'm done with this forum and all of the others since no one seems to understand how to read.
 
noteablequotable said:
Good luck and God bless. I'm done with this forum and all of the others since no one seems to understand how to read.
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I'm not trying to attack you and I know what you meant, but you have to admit your original statement about QSC being under question came across pretty strong. It's ok, things happen and the written word gets taken out of context all the time.
 
geoguy78 said:
I'm not trying to attack you and I know what you meant, but you have to admit your original statement about QSC being under question came across pretty strong. It's ok, things happen and the written word gets taken out of context all the time.
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I don't see it that way at all. I honestly do not understand what the fuss is about but it's clear to me through lots of interactions that I'm not a good fit for this community. That's fine.

I'm done responding now. Can't figure out how to delete my account but hopefully EWB will take care of it tomorrow.
 
noteablequotable said:
I don't see it that way at all. I honestly do not understand what the fuss is about but it's clear to me through lots of interactions that I'm not a good fit for this community. That's fine.

I'm done responding now. Can't figure out how to delete my account but hopefully EWB will take care of it tomorrow.
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I hope you change your mind after getting some rest tonight, note. Disregarding this individual thread, because I don't know much about this topic and it's so fluid, your contributions have been amongst the most valuable this forum has to offer, in my opinion.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
a single feels report is a pretty flimsy basis to accuse a supplier of shipping bunk kits
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I've read folks in other forums complaining that after switching to Zepbound from Mounjaro, the Zepbound didn't work. Those folks may not have understood that they were taking the same medication made by the same manufacturer. By the way, I believe those folks are accurately describing their experiences. I was losing 2 pounds per week when I started taking tirzepatide. That hasn't continued as I have lost weight.
 
keangkong said:
I've read folks in other forums complaining that after switching to Zepbound from Mounjaro, the Zepbound didn't work. Those folks may not have understood that they were taking the same medication made by the same manufacturer. By the way, I believe those folks are accurately describing their experiences. I was losing 2 pounds per week when I started taking tirzepatide. That hasn't continued as I have lost weight.
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I agree, some weeks it hits hard, other weeks it like "did I forget to pin my dose"?
 
noteablequotable said:
I don't see it that way at all. I honestly do not understand what the fuss is about but it's clear to me through lots of interactions that I'm not a good fit for this community. That's fine.

I'm done responding now. Can't figure out how to delete my account but hopefully EWB will take care of it tomorrow.
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I'd be happy for you to stay. This forum has much disagreement. It's not for shy people. People may strongly disagree with each other. If it makes you uncomfortable (and to be clear the tone is harsh enough that it makes many people uncomfortable), by all means go. I made many of my posts elsewhere at first. However, being a person who genuinely welcomes the disagreement, I'd like you to stay.
 
Poor girl said her goodbyes and left the Swiss server as well. Old man jud needs to take it easy. Dude came out blasting taking this way too seriously. People like note scares me as well because way too thin skinned to be hanging out on the internet. A little banter and you get the cops knocking on your door asking what happened to the girl.
 
noteablequotable said:
I don't see it that way at all. I honestly do not understand what the fuss is about but it's clear to me through lots of interactions that I'm not a good fit for this community. That's fine.

I'm done responding now. Can't figure out how to delete my account but hopefully EWB will take care of it tomorrow.
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Don't let them get you down.
 
beefsteak said:
Poor girl said her goodbyes and left the Swiss server as well. Old man jud needs to take it easy. Dude came out blasting taking this way too seriously. People like note scares me as well because way too thin skinned to be hanging out on the internet. A little banter and you get the cops knocking on your door asking what happened to the girl.
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As someone who has rage quit a platform or two in my day, it doesn’t happen because of a single conversation. Obviously note was fed up and this was a last straw, which i understand and respect. Sadly it’s indeed a big loss for the forum. The forum just got nudged a bit in the wrong direction because of the loss.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
As someone who has rage quit a platform or two in my day, it doesn’t happen because of a single conversation. Obviously note was fed up and this was a last straw, which i understand and respect. Sadly it’s indeed a big loss for the forum. Your self-righteous edgelordism is vastly inferior to note’s “thin skin” and the forum just got nudged a bit in the wrong direction because of the loss.
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Note was the one who did a test results dump of a TON of products they'd had tested on their own dime. Huge loss.
 
GimmeABreak said:
I did the same thing when I started. Ordered from three different vendors in case one didn't work out. The challenge with this approach is testing. It's $300 (plus shipping) per test for Tirz so you will have to pay for testing for three different kits rather than just buying two or three kits from one vendor and testing just one vial.

There are a lot of zero peptide kits going around and if you don't test you won't know what you have. Nexaph does third party test for a lot of their stuff so you could probably risk not testing theirs. You can follow the testing progress and even participate in the testing on their Telegram. SRY has been a little flaky lately, i would definitely test anything I bought from them and QSC if you end up ordering from them too.
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Are different people from the same lab all legit or only go to the people are ready about like Qsc does it all come from the same place and different sales people or is it all different Qsc if you understand what I ment
 
noteablequotable said:
Good luck and God bless. I'm done with this forum and all of the others since no one seems to understand how to read.
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Hey don't worry about that, it's good that we don't agree on everything but I get it it can be frustrating at time. Try to enjoy your Monday morning anyway! ☕
 
geoguy78 said:
I feel like "my pep feels less effective" is the most useless metric out there. It's the same with all the "TCI feels cleaner/pure/stronger" BS. Just purely subjective nonsense
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Precisely, in addition to being subjective, the "feel", side affects, etc are all variable from day to day or week to week, and person to person. Then also how it is on these compounds over time. The only thing that really can be measured is results (and that is variable) over a long period of time, or having the product tested.
 
RobNord said:
Precisely, in addition to being subjective, the "feel", side affects, etc are all variable from day to day or week to week, and person to person. Then also how it is on these compounds over time. The only thing that really can be measured is results (and that is variable) over a long period of time, or having the product tested.
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Expectation also play a BIG role, if ever you provide to others, try this; let them know their next dose will be higher or lower (by a good amount) without doing it and observe what happens

I'm a bit of a psycho so I did it with my gf (sofa is comfy don't worry about me haha) and the feel (and result!) was up to the expectations I gave her even tho it wasn't even a different batch (aliquots from the same vial)
 
Glp1judd said:
To be clear, I’m not saying what I got is in any way bunk, nor accusuang anybody of anything.

I merely commented that after switching from 15 mg every seven days to 11 mg every 5 days, I’m feeling less effect.

This coincides with me starting a new batch of tirz, and since I bought a truckload of it to store for 2+ years (from QSC) I’m getting it tested and trying to coordinate with a few others who also bought same lot to spread cost and to widen statistics.

It’s inappropriate for you to try to portray it any other way. I really wish you’d be more honorable and not try to cause problems where there aren’t any.

Obviously if any tests prove otherwise I will share, as will others, but so far there is ZERO reason to suspect anything from QSC or any other vendor not independently proven via 3rd party tests.

Please cut the crap.
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You can use https://glp1plotter.com/ to figure out the equivalent dosage to pin under 7 days (11.8mg). For me, it took almost two weeks to feel the change from 7 to 5 days, from the same QSC batch. From day one, my body has never responded in a linear fashion to tirz. And I want to thank everyone for their contribution to this forum in 2024. The info has been priceless. 40 lbs lost in 2024, 40 more to go for 2025. Tks.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
As someone who has rage quit a platform or two in my day, it doesn’t happen because of a single conversation. Obviously note was fed up and this was a last straw, which i understand and respect. Sadly it’s indeed a big loss for the forum. The forum just got nudged a bit in the wrong direction because of the loss.
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I'm sure most of us have all rage quit something at some point in our lives.... Hindsight is usually 20/20 and looking back it always seems like it would have been better to just push away from the keyboard, phone, or whatever conversation you're engaged/enraged in and come back later. If it's bad enough, wait a few days or a week. Let the thread get buried with the rest of yesterday's posts. It'll all quickly be forgotten anyway.
 
nicholasbonavita said:
Are different people from the same lab all legit or only go to the people are ready about like Qsc does it all come from the same place and different sales people or is it all different Qsc if you understand what I ment
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There are probably 5 raw producers that supply to maybe 8-10 finishers that supply to the dozens (if not 100's) of companies that sell peps.

QSC probably produces their own raws and is a finisher but maybe not for all peps. It is really a convoluted mess and there is little transparency so you never really know whether you are dealing with a reseller, finisher or a company that owns the entire process.

The best thing you can do is limit your ordering from the companies discussed on this and other forums that many others have used and test the product yourself or as part of a group.
 
Is there any other domestic spots besides Cain with nex that sell kits the way he does. I’ve seen some but it’s hard to find actual answers it’s usually either snarky or not answer I get nervous to ask but figured duck it nobody can yell at me worse than my wife on here lol
 
GimmeABreak said:
There are probably 5 raw producers that supply to maybe 8-10 finishers that supply to the dozens (if not 100's) of companies that sell peps.

QSC probably produces their own raws and is a finisher but maybe not for all peps. It is really a convoluted mess and there is little transparency so you never really know whether you are dealing with a reseller, finisher or a company that owns the entire process.

The best thing you can do is limit your ordering from the companies discussed on this and other forums that many others have used and test the product yourself or as part of a group.
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Why do you think that QSC produces its own raws?
 
zpped said:
They almost certainly don't (possibly do for hgh because their supply is better than most) and they *might* be a finisher for some limited amount of products. But people keep repeating it so it must be true.
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Whatever QSC''s true situation is, I do think they are not connected to any of these other chinese companies that pop up in and out of existence. Even this christmas I noticed a lot of different sellers offer promos that all had the exact same price for the products, which to me indicates they are connected in some way even though they claim they are not.
 
dogmom said:
Whatever QSC''s true situation is, I do think they are not connected to any of these other chinese companies that pop up in and out of existence. Even this christmas I noticed a lot of different sellers offer promos that all had the exact same price for the products, which to me indicates they are connected in some way even though they claim they are not.
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Judging from the empty vial situation right now, my guess is that they are all getting their peps (I don't want to say "raws" because I'm skeptical that they are even finishing, they might just be resellers) from the same source and pricing accordingly.
 
dogmom said:
Whatever QSC''s true situation is, I do think they are not connected to any of these other chinese companies that pop up in and out of existence. Even this christmas I noticed a lot of different sellers offer promos that all had the exact same price for the products, which to me indicates they are connected in some way even though they claim they are not.
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Krysia posted a price list from a wholeseller on her server. I tried looking for it but I can't find it right now. But it lists a kit of T30 for $140 with MOQ of 600 or something.

Explains why the QSC last T30 promo was $140 and everyone else could not compete. For those who came close in price of $160 they required min order of 2~3 kits.
 
keangkong said:
Why do you think that QSC produces its own raws?
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Tbh, I have no idea but they are the largest and have been around for a long time. If any of the seller produce their own raws my leaning is QSC probably does. Krysia recently reported that Amolist does, which surprised me but makes sense giving the stinging problems that only they seem to have had in the past.
 
GimmeABreak said:
Tbh, I have no idea but they are the largest and have been around for a long time. If any of the seller produce their own raws my leaning is QSC probably does. Krysia recently reported that Amolist does, which surprised me but makes sense giving the stinging problems that only they seem to have had in the past.
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Honestly I feel like QSC and Amo are probably the two safest sources right now 🤣 Something I would not have expected to have on my 2024 Bingo Card
 
GimmeABreak said:
Tbh, I have no idea but they are the largest and have been around for a long time. If any of the seller produce their own raws my leaning is QSC probably does. Krysia recently reported that Amolist does, which surprised me but makes sense giving the stinging problems that only they seem to have had in the past.
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There is decent amount of circumstantial evidence that Amo is at least a finisher. I'm not aware of any that they are also a manufacturer (other than they claim they are) I wouldn't be shocked if they were at least extremely connected directly to a manufacturer.

Krysia does a great job collecting information to put together good plausible explanations, but she also tends to declare a lot of circumstantial evidence, hearsay, and testimonial as proof of said explanation.
 
beefsteak said:
Krysia posted a price list from a wholeseller on her server. I tried looking for it but I can't find it right now. But it lists a kit of T30 for $140 with MOQ of 600 or something.

Explains why the QSC last T30 promo was $140 and everyone else could not compete. For those who came close in price of $160 they required min order of 2~3 kits.
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Is Tracey the only one to talk to from Qsc because someone else messaged me from there and I don’t know if it’s all the same product or people who just throw the initials in their name to get on the reputation of others
 
geoguy78 said:
Honestly I feel like QSC and Amo are probably the two safest sources right now 🤣 Something I would not have expected to have on my 2024 Bingo Card
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That’s answered my question is amo was good for a test run are they domestic because in their page it said some shit about customs with shipping
 
nicholasbonavita said:
That’s answered my question is amo was good for a test run are they domestic because in their page it said some shit about customs with shipping
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Amo isn't domestic but I believe they have a domestic "warehouse"? When I used them my order from China got to me within just a couple of days. As far as your QSC question goes, as long as you are using the contact info that Tracy provides, you're good to go. Tracy doesn't do orders, he has assistants that do that stuff for him. He normally only gets involved when there are problems.
 
geoguy78 said:
Amo isn't domestic but I believe they have a domestic "warehouse"? When I used them my order from China got to me within just a couple of days. As far as your QSC question goes, as long as you are using the contact info that Tracy provides, you're good to go. Tracy doesn't do orders, he has assistants that do that stuff for him. He normally only gets involved when there are problems.
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Mr geoguy I appreciate your time
 
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nicholasbonavita said:
Is Tracey the only one to talk to from Qsc because someone else messaged me from there and I don’t know if it’s all the same product or people who just throw the initials in their name to get on the reputation of others
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Per Tracy:
“Bella, jessica, lydia, nia, ada, lucy.. are my assistants who reply to sigma@sigmachemical.com.cn”
 
nicholasbonavita said:
So a kellylui would not be associated cause that’s who messaged me
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To be clear, you messaged someone and they replied with that name or you got a message out of the blue?

And where has this messaging happened. Email, whatsapp, something else? Go ahead and post the contact info they have and then cross check it with what is in the vendor connection area.
 
zpped said:
To be clear, you messaged someone and they replied with that name or you got a message out of the blue?

And where has this messaging happened. Email, whatsapp, something else? Go ahead and post the contact info they have and then cross check it with what is in the vendor connection area.
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I got the number through the vendor page it’s the same prices as Tracey but I didn’t know if he had multple people working for him because on another post I saw someone say Lisa Donna ect ect ect are not from my page so than I said let me just ask the group I’ll check the vendor thing again to double check it with his name
 
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