Fat girl rage post

[peptideusername]

All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.

This is exactly what I meant when I said that people moralize weight loss. You’re the problem.
Who the hell are you to decide who “needs” weight loss medication?

 

[Bacchus]

You're taking this med, which you say has no substantial health benefits for you, because you find it practical? What does that even mean? And if it has no health benefits for you, why take it?

Esthetic and practical benefits.

Even though I can get used to feeling hungry, it’s practical not to feel hungry. And it takes less effort to maintain weight, resist snacks and so on.

As I said, it’s abuse. And I’m perfectly fine with that, I do not claim that it’s a good decision, but it’s up to me to decide what to do and how I consider risk/reward- and that goes for everyone.

But I wouldn’t recommend for anyone to do the same. Since it is adding a risk factor to my health which is completely unnecessary.

 

[Bacchus]

This is exactly what I meant when I said that people moralize weight loss. You’re the problem.
Who the hell are you to decide who “needs” weight loss medication?

You are putting words in my mouth.

I did not make any distinction at all. I’m simply saying that encouraging the use of medicine that hasn’t been properly researched for long term use is unfortunate.

I have repeatedly said that it’s up to everyone to decide for themselves. But letting people decide for themselves and promoting use is two entirely different things.

 

[MingHenry]

You are putting words in my mouth.

I did not make any distinction at all. I’m simply saying that encouraging the use of medicine that hasn’t been properly researched for long term use is unfortunate.

I have repeatedly said that it’s up to everyone to decide for themselves. But letting people decide for themselves and promoting use is two entirely different things.

Why are you even here on this forum? Why are you engaging with anyone?

 

[fetefille]

You are putting words in my mouth.

I did not make any distinction at all. I’m simply saying that encouraging the use of medicine that hasn’t been properly researched for long term use is unfortunate.

I have repeatedly said that it’s up to everyone to decide for themselves. But letting people decide for themselves and promoting use is two entirely different things.

You are wild.

You don’t think they should be promoted, but you sell them. You think fat folks should be making a plan to get off of them, while you, by your own admission are abusing them. Wild.

Saxenda has been out since late 2014, so coming up on a decade of glp-1 use for diabetics and off-label use. Will more be known in 20? Of course.

“All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.”

What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?

Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?

Wild.

 

[Bacchus]

You are wild.

You don’t think they should be promoted, but you sell them. You think fat folks should be making a plan to get off of them, while you, by your own admission are abusing them. Wild.

Saxenda has been out since late 2014, so coming up on a decade of glp-1 use for diabetics and off-label use. Will more be known in 20? Of course.

“All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.”

What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?

Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?

Wild.

When did i ever bring a persons size or weight into this?

I think everyone should consider using a minimum of medication by default. That I choose to abuse medication doesn't make that any less true, nor the statement less valid. I'm not against anyone doing the same, but I do not advice nor recommend it. I don't see what's wild about that.

All I'm saying is that the general advice to anyone should be to use medicine only when necessary (Or if the risk/benefit is positive from the users perspective after being well informed) - what each individual choose is up to them, and whether it's necessary or not is also up to them.

I'm not critiquing anyone's use of glp-1s, and I don't understand where you get that from. You have made your choice and decided what's best for you. I don't have an issue with that, nor do I have the right to butt into your decisions - and even if I did my opinion shouldn't matter to you anyway.

What makes me rise an eyebrow and comment is not your experience, nor your personal choices or any perception I have about you, or anyone else for that matter:

It's a statistical fact that a lot of people underestimate their calorie intake and overestimate their calorie expenditure, I'm definitely not on point with my count myself unless I spend an absurd amount of time measuring food and writing a log - I am not talking to you nor anyone in specific, it's a general statement based on data/research, and my intention is not to use it as ammunition to make you feel bad or tell you that you are wrong.

What I'm trying to say is that there are many who mistakenly believe they are in a deficit while not losing weight. Posts like yours could validate that misconception and make someone prematurely decide that relying on medication is the right decision for them too.

I realize that statement might make me seem like an arrogant prick that thinks he knows better than you (or others in general) - I don't, I have no clue what your personal situation and I have not commented on it either.

But it's based on experience working with people who actually did not manage to properly count their calories despite making an effort - there is nothing wrong with them for that, we all have limited time and energy. Many of them were perfectly able to make the necessary changes without any medication at all and maintain the results.

I would believe that we can agree medication wouldn't have been the best option for them.

So I don't really see the huge issue of a different/opposing point of view encouraging moderation on an open forum. Especially not on a post that is quite aggressively denouncing said opinion.

I have also worked with people who would never be able to even start losing weight without the aid of these drugs. Some might need to cycle, some might stay on permanently and some will probably be able to maintain their results without drugs.

I'm not recommending that anyone push themselves and suffer continuously in order to avoid taking weight loss drugs, but your opinion seems to be that encouraging someone to figure out where their sweet spot is - is torment?

And if you completely disagree with me, that's fine - our opinions differ.
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"What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?"
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Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?
_____

How it's my business? I refer to the domain of the site you are on.
Forum: a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
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If anyone has a problem with it, that's their problem. And if someone gets the idea that they should do the same, I'll happily explain my take on upsides and downsides - And recommend not doing so, but I don't control what other people do.

I wouldn't expect people to shut up and not voice their opinion on my actions, even though I don't find them problematic. I can also see why someone would think they are, even agree - But I'll still do what I consider right for me - Without demanding that people respect that choice.

That said, the comparison doesn't make sense. What I'm doing is objectively "wrong" and vain, your use of GLP-1s seems to be reasonable.

My issue is NOT with the fact that you are taking what you're taking, I won't suggest that you try to change your habits and improve your lifestyle either - you have clearly made a decision that you are firm and comfortable with - and I would assume right for you from your description.

My issue is with the rhetoric, dividing "we" and "you", and "demonizing" well intended advice though it might be misplaced or flawed in many cases - it is not a personal attack.

I did not intend to make a big fuss here with my first post - and i probably did sidetrack quite significantly in some of my replies because of what I personally consider an unfounded attack for no reason. I have been attributed some qualities that I do not identify with at all, simply because of differing opinions. It shouldn't be very difficult to disagree without resorting to name calling or claiming that i have a bias towards certain groups of people.

I do understand where you are coming from to some extent, I've been on reddit asking for advice on situations that puzzled me with clients that were not getting results - and the responses are often unkind at best.

I find the hoops people have to jump through to get a prescription ridiculous when considering risk/reward of these drugs. But that doesn't mean that we should blindly encourage use without attempting to make changes, I realize that isn't what you are doing - But if you can't see why some people might consider your post slightly problematic - there is no point discussing it further.

We have different opinions, but I don't see how that warrants saying I'm wild or claiming that i have a bias towards overweight people.

I'm genuinely glad on your behalf that your life quality is improved. And if you feel that I am attacking that, I do apologize - That was not my intention.

I encounter a lot of focus on dosing, "can i increase the dose earlier", how fast this will work, can i stack x with y, and so on. If you don't find that slightly problematic, we will never agree anyway. And that's fine, but I don't see why that warrants assuming that I have a bias towards you.

And while people are welcome to do whatever they want, I don't see the issue in encouraging educated decision making. When you have people asking what to do with their vial of powder they just got in the mail, don't you agree that we might want to hit the brakes and encourage some moderation - Not fan the flames and complain about all the mean people that tell you to consider what your plan is with this drug.

 

[meowTime]

I've had an eating disorder for as long as I can remember.

At 12, I was doing online school and eating 15 taquitos a day because I was unsupervised.

At 15, I was eating only a lunchable and a hot pocket each day to get down to 90 lbs.

At 17, I was eating only toast for breakfast and skipping lunch every day to suppress my weight. At the same time I would sneak out of my room at night and eat whatever I could find in the pantry; even if it was just cold oatmeal mixed in water.

At 18, I was alone in college and eating nothing but diet mountain dew, crystal light and an easy mac a day.

For years after that, my brain was broken in the opposite direction. Binging in secret every week. Eating as much as possible every day because "tomorrow I will start my diet again." Gained over 100lbs in <10 years. I'm also only 5'1" which I think part of is due to my eating disorder in my growing years.

I've had a weight loss attempt basically every year since I started gaining. I would think about losing weight every single day of my life but only occasionally would be able to start working on it. Most I got to was -30lb last year; as soon as it got to the holiday season I lost control and couldn't stop. Was back up 30lb in 4 months. My issue was never with calorie counting - anyone who's had a restrictive eating disorder knows exactly how to count calories and lose weight - it was always just a full-on loss of control to binging that lasted months each time and ruined my progress.

GLPs have given me my control back. I'm not constantly thinking about my next binge. I can eat exactly what I planned to and then stop; before every time I bought some type of food there was a large chance I would start to eat it and not be able to stop until it was gone. My brain isn't constantly tormented by whatever is currently in my freezer or my current food craving.

 

[goodvibes671]

I've had an eating disorder for as long as I can remember.

At 12, I was doing online school and eating 15 taquitos a day because I was unsupervised.

At 15, I was eating only a lunchable and a hot pocket each day to get down to 90 lbs.

At 17, I was eating only toast for breakfast and skipping lunch every day to suppress my weight. At the same time I would sneak out of my room at night and eat whatever I could find in the pantry; even if it was just cold oatmeal mixed in water.

At 18, I was alone in college and eating nothing but diet mountain dew, crystal light and an easy mac a day.

For years after that, my brain was broken in the opposite direction. Binging in secret every week. Eating as much as possible every day because "tomorrow I will start my diet again." Gained over 100lbs in <10 years. I'm also only 5'1" which I think part of is due to my eating disorder in my growing years.

I've had a weight loss attempt basically every year since I started gaining. I would think about losing weight every single day of my life but only occasionally would be able to start working on it. Most I got to was -30lb last year; as soon as it got to the holiday season I lost control and couldn't stop. Was back up 30lb in 4 months. My issue was never with calorie counting - anyone who's had a restrictive eating disorder knows exactly how to count calories and lose weight - it was always just a full-on loss of control to binging that lasted months each time and ruined my progress.

GLPs have given me my control back. I'm not constantly thinking about my next binge. I can eat exactly what I planned to and then stop; before every time I bought some type of food there was a large chance I would start to eat it and not be able to stop until it was gone. My brain isn't constantly tormented by whatever is currently in my freezer or my current food craving.

I want to give you a big hug 🫂. I’m happy you found these GLP1s. You have a whole community here to support you. 💜

 

[fetefille]

When did i ever bring a persons size or weight into this?

I think everyone should consider using a minimum of medication by default. That I choose to abuse medication doesn't make that any less true, nor the statement less valid. I'm not against anyone doing the same, but I do not advice nor recommend it. I don't see what's wild about that.

All I'm saying is that the general advice to anyone should be to use medicine only when necessary (Or if the risk/benefit is positive from the users perspective after being well informed) - what each individual choose is up to them, and whether it's necessary or not is also up to them.

I'm not critiquing anyone's use of glp-1s, and I don't understand where you get that from. You have made your choice and decided what's best for you. I don't have an issue with that, nor do I have the right to butt into your decisions - and even if I did my opinion shouldn't matter to you anyway.

What makes me rise an eyebrow and comment is not your experience, nor your personal choices or any perception I have about you, or anyone else for that matter:

It's a statistical fact that a lot of people underestimate their calorie intake and overestimate their calorie expenditure, I'm definitely not on point with my count myself unless I spend an absurd amount of time measuring food and writing a log - I am not talking to you nor anyone in specific, it's a general statement based on data/research, and my intention is not to use it as ammunition to make you feel bad or tell you that you are wrong.

What I'm trying to say is that there are many who mistakenly believe they are in a deficit while not losing weight. Posts like yours could validate that misconception and make someone prematurely decide that relying on medication is the right decision for them too.

I realize that statement might make me seem like an arrogant prick that thinks he knows better than you (or others in general) - I don't, I have no clue what your personal situation and I have not commented on it either.

But it's based on experience working with people who actually did not manage to properly count their calories despite making an effort - there is nothing wrong with them for that, we all have limited time and energy. Many of them were perfectly able to make the necessary changes without any medication at all and maintain the results.

I would believe that we can agree medication wouldn't have been the best option for them.

So I don't really see the huge issue of a different/opposing point of view encouraging moderation on an open forum. Especially not on a post that is quite aggressively denouncing said opinion.

I have also worked with people who would never be able to even start losing weight without the aid of these drugs. Some might need to cycle, some might stay on permanently and some will probably be able to maintain their results without drugs.

I'm not recommending that anyone push themselves and suffer continuously in order to avoid taking weight loss drugs, but your opinion seems to be that encouraging someone to figure out where their sweet spot is - is torment?

And if you completely disagree with me, that's fine - our opinions differ.
_____
"What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?"
---
Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?
_____

How it's my business? I refer to the domain of the site you are on.
Forum: a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
---
If anyone has a problem with it, that's their problem. And if someone gets the idea that they should do the same, I'll happily explain my take on upsides and downsides - And recommend not doing so, but I don't control what other people do.

I wouldn't expect people to shut up and not voice their opinion on my actions, even though I don't find them problematic. I can also see why someone would think they are, even agree - But I'll still do what I consider right for me - Without demanding that people respect that choice.

That said, the comparison doesn't make sense. What I'm doing is objectively "wrong" and vain, your use of GLP-1s seems to be reasonable.

My issue is NOT with the fact that you are taking what you're taking, I won't suggest that you try to change your habits and improve your lifestyle either - you have clearly made a decision that you are firm and comfortable with - and I would assume right for you from your description.

My issue is with the rhetoric, dividing "we" and "you", and "demonizing" well intended advice though it might be misplaced or flawed in many cases - it is not a personal attack.

I did not intend to make a big fuss here with my first post - and i probably did sidetrack quite significantly in some of my replies because of what I personally consider an unfounded attack for no reason. I have been attributed some qualities that I do not identify with at all, simply because of differing opinions. It shouldn't be very difficult to disagree without resorting to name calling or claiming that i have a bias towards certain groups of people.

I do understand where you are coming from to some extent, I've been on reddit asking for advice on situations that puzzled me with clients that were not getting results - and the responses are often unkind at best.

I find the hoops people have to jump through to get a prescription ridiculous when considering risk/reward of these drugs. But that doesn't mean that we should blindly encourage use without attempting to make changes, I realize that isn't what you are doing - But if you can't see why some people might consider your post slightly problematic - there is no point discussing it further.

We have different opinions, but I don't see how that warrants saying I'm wild or claiming that i have a bias towards overweight people.

I'm genuinely glad on your behalf that your life quality is improved. And if you feel that I am attacking that, I do apologize - That was not my intention.

I encounter a lot of focus on dosing, "can i increase the dose earlier", how fast this will work, can i stack x with y, and so on. If you don't find that slightly problematic, we will never agree anyway. And that's fine, but I don't see why that warrants assuming that I have a bias towards you.

And while people are welcome to do whatever they want, I don't see the issue in encouraging educated decision making. When you have people asking what to do with their vial of powder they just got in the mail, don't you agree that we might want to hit the brakes and encourage some moderation - Not fan the flames and complain about all the mean people that tell you to consider what your plan is with this drug.

I don’t think you’re attacking me because you don’t even know me. What you are is just another in a line of fitness folks who know nothing about this.

(As an aside, remember when it was all the rage for well-known fitness folks to “get fat” and then lose it? So they’d “know” what it was like? That was hilarious and pointless and insulting.)

No one said people shouldn’t try healthier habits. It’s the abject arrogance of folks like you that seem to think we don’t know that, seem to think we haven’t tried tried that, or haven’t been told that, and most of all, haven’t been successful at it *a million and two* times. Successful until we cannot hold the line any longer. Until whatever’s broken in the brain wins out.

Logging food? That’s the first step in most programs that don’t prepare the food for you. (Raise your hand if you remember WW’s little paper booklets, lol) Even the ones that do prepare the food talk about it and suggest it bc they know we underestimate what we’re putting on our mouths.

Measuring food? Weighing food? Reading every label? Check, check, and check.

Eating well, knowing what you’re eating, and movement, I said nothing about those. Those are great things. Those are great things that for some of us (as I said, this isn’t everyone’s story that’s on glp-1s, look at you) are almost independent of the medicine, that are made possible by the medicine, that will continue to be possible bc of the medicine.

Though, if folks choose not to do those things, or sometimes, or in any combination, that’s their business.

So no, there won’t be a meeting of the minds on this one.

Such is life and that’s ok.

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

When did i ever bring a persons size or weight into this?

I think everyone should consider using a minimum of medication by default. That I choose to abuse medication doesn't make that any less true, nor the statement less valid. I'm not against anyone doing the same, but I do not advice nor recommend it. I don't see what's wild about that.

All I'm saying is that the general advice to anyone should be to use medicine only when necessary (Or if the risk/benefit is positive from the users perspective after being well informed) - what each individual choose is up to them, and whether it's necessary or not is also up to them.

I'm not critiquing anyone's use of glp-1s, and I don't understand where you get that from. You have made your choice and decided what's best for you. I don't have an issue with that, nor do I have the right to butt into your decisions - and even if I did my opinion shouldn't matter to you anyway.

What makes me rise an eyebrow and comment is not your experience, nor your personal choices or any perception I have about you, or anyone else for that matter:

It's a statistical fact that a lot of people underestimate their calorie intake and overestimate their calorie expenditure, I'm definitely not on point with my count myself unless I spend an absurd amount of time measuring food and writing a log - I am not talking to you nor anyone in specific, it's a general statement based on data/research, and my intention is not to use it as ammunition to make you feel bad or tell you that you are wrong.

What I'm trying to say is that there are many who mistakenly believe they are in a deficit while not losing weight. Posts like yours could validate that misconception and make someone prematurely decide that relying on medication is the right decision for them too.

I realize that statement might make me seem like an arrogant prick that thinks he knows better than you (or others in general) - I don't, I have no clue what your personal situation and I have not commented on it either.

But it's based on experience working with people who actually did not manage to properly count their calories despite making an effort - there is nothing wrong with them for that, we all have limited time and energy. Many of them were perfectly able to make the necessary changes without any medication at all and maintain the results.

I would believe that we can agree medication wouldn't have been the best option for them.

So I don't really see the huge issue of a different/opposing point of view encouraging moderation on an open forum. Especially not on a post that is quite aggressively denouncing said opinion.

I have also worked with people who would never be able to even start losing weight without the aid of these drugs. Some might need to cycle, some might stay on permanently and some will probably be able to maintain their results without drugs.

I'm not recommending that anyone push themselves and suffer continuously in order to avoid taking weight loss drugs, but your opinion seems to be that encouraging someone to figure out where their sweet spot is - is torment?

And if you completely disagree with me, that's fine - our opinions differ.
_____
"What. Business. Is. It. Of. Yours?"
---
Has anyone told you that you should stop taking them bc you’re taking them just cause? Told you that it’s too bad that you’ve found some use for them, and that that will unfortunately give others the idea that they should be “abusing” them, too?
_____

How it's my business? I refer to the domain of the site you are on.
Forum: a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
---
If anyone has a problem with it, that's their problem. And if someone gets the idea that they should do the same, I'll happily explain my take on upsides and downsides - And recommend not doing so, but I don't control what other people do.

I wouldn't expect people to shut up and not voice their opinion on my actions, even though I don't find them problematic. I can also see why someone would think they are, even agree - But I'll still do what I consider right for me - Without demanding that people respect that choice.

That said, the comparison doesn't make sense. What I'm doing is objectively "wrong" and vain, your use of GLP-1s seems to be reasonable.

My issue is NOT with the fact that you are taking what you're taking, I won't suggest that you try to change your habits and improve your lifestyle either - you have clearly made a decision that you are firm and comfortable with - and I would assume right for you from your description.

My issue is with the rhetoric, dividing "we" and "you", and "demonizing" well intended advice though it might be misplaced or flawed in many cases - it is not a personal attack.

I did not intend to make a big fuss here with my first post - and i probably did sidetrack quite significantly in some of my replies because of what I personally consider an unfounded attack for no reason. I have been attributed some qualities that I do not identify with at all, simply because of differing opinions. It shouldn't be very difficult to disagree without resorting to name calling or claiming that i have a bias towards certain groups of people.

I do understand where you are coming from to some extent, I've been on reddit asking for advice on situations that puzzled me with clients that were not getting results - and the responses are often unkind at best.

I find the hoops people have to jump through to get a prescription ridiculous when considering risk/reward of these drugs. But that doesn't mean that we should blindly encourage use without attempting to make changes, I realize that isn't what you are doing - But if you can't see why some people might consider your post slightly problematic - there is no point discussing it further.

We have different opinions, but I don't see how that warrants saying I'm wild or claiming that i have a bias towards overweight people.

I'm genuinely glad on your behalf that your life quality is improved. And if you feel that I am attacking that, I do apologize - That was not my intention.

I encounter a lot of focus on dosing, "can i increase the dose earlier", how fast this will work, can i stack x with y, and so on. If you don't find that slightly problematic, we will never agree anyway. And that's fine, but I don't see why that warrants assuming that I have a bias towards you.

And while people are welcome to do whatever they want, I don't see the issue in encouraging educated decision making. When you have people asking what to do with their vial of powder they just got in the mail, don't you agree that we might want to hit the brakes and encourage some moderation - Not fan the flames and complain about all the mean people that tell you to consider what your plan is with this drug.

I agree that education is a must! Some dingbats have no business self medicating. And I also agree that these meds should not be a first step in weight loss, as not everyone has food noise etc. These are wonderful tools but should be used wisely and safely.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

I can only read so many, “…I’ve never been obese, in fact I’m a fitness expert, but you fatties need to be working on lifestyle changes, not using meds as a crutch and have a plan for when you get off,” posts before I have to off gas.

If you have never been obese or above, if you’ve never had food shouting to you from two rooms away (EATMEEATMEEATME), if you’ve never thought about your next meal while eating one, if you’ve never done all the things and lost and found the same 50-100lbs innumerable times?

We are not the same. You should listen, learn, and stay in your lane. We have been tormented by people like you for our supposed laziness and moral failing for as long as we can remember.

You think we’ve never tried calorie deficits and working out? You think we haven’t tried every single program under the sun? We have and we’ve been damned successful at it. Then the noise wins.

So now there’s something that offers help and hope in a way we’ve never experienced. The first time I realized the f-ing siren song of everything in my kitchen, every restaurant, wasn’t blaring in my ears? I cried. I couldn’t believe THIS was how others actually lived, that they moved through their days and nights without that pulling so much focus.

As Kendrick Lamar said, “They not like us, they not like us, they not like us.” Remember that, you folks that have never been here, you are not like us, so stop comparing us to you.

This isn’t everyone’s story about why they’re on glp-1s, but it’s a lot of us.

Omg I love you...can we be besties?
It's being proven scientifically BECAUSE of these meds that we are NOT the same..
Those of us that have had this noise all are lives are completely different then those that gain a few pounds because they have not been working out like usual or from older age.
They are proving we are wired differently and trying to find out why.
Will they...no...there's no money in that...but it's being proven.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

F all those people! Karma will catch up to them one day!

Not to turn this into an AA meeting, but...

One of the many things I learned in AA... It's not easy, and took me a while to adopt, but it's essential to my well being. DONT LET ANYONE LIVE IN MY HEAD, RENT FREE!

That is to say... It's none of my damned business what others think or say about me. It only matters what I think of myself. The only thing I can control is what I do next.

But mostly, screw all those intercoursing anuses.

Don't give them a second thought. Life is too short to spend a minute worrying about what someone thinks. If you let them in, they win! Don't let them in! Don't let them live in your head, rent free!


Disclaimer:
Results may vary. Side effects include hysteria, assault and battery, murder-suicide, and spontaneous combustion. Always consult a friend before pulling the trigger!

I seriously have been working on this...I've been self conscious my whole life because of my weight ( lots of trauma there...let's nor touch that one..hahaha)
But more importantly...I wish someone had taught me, like I taught my girls, your only as worthy as you see yourself...who gives 2 flying F*s what anyone else thinks. I hammered into their heads what absolutely amazing creatures they are and let Noone stay longer then a second in their lives if they don't think so also.
* Going on a koombaya soapbox...scroll on now..lol
If only ..only...we could all realize and retain what a miracle it is that we are here..and what a miracle we are in itself. .the uniqueness is beauty...
Ok koombaya over..lol

 

[Broken Chef]

I seriously have been working on this...I've been self conscious my whole life because of my weight ( lots of trauma there...let's nor touch that one..hahaha)
But more importantly...I wish someone had taught me, like I taught my girls, your only as worthy as you see yourself...who gives 2 flying F*s what anyone else thinks. I hammered into their heads what absolutely amazing creatures they are and let Noone stay longer then a second in their lives if they don't think so also.
* Going on a koombaya soapbox...scroll on now..lol
If only ..only...we could all realize and retain what a miracle it is that we are here..and what a miracle we are in itself. .the uniqueness is beauty...
Ok koombaya over..lol

It's not easy, and I'm far from practicing this 100%, but it's something to strive for. I've found it's better to block/ignore rather than respond. I tend to get over it quicker rather than wondering for days if I could have responded with a better return insult or scolding. Just make them disappear and move on.

If a DR ever talked to me like some people have said, I assure you, I'd never return.. and would probably post a scathing review in a few places to warn others. If a family member did that, I'd block them too! If they kept asking why I'm ignoring them, I'd ignore that question. Just leave them hanging. Don't give them the satisfaction or fuel for more nonsense. Replying almost always leads to more BS, so I generally just walk away and move on... Generally.

I'm quite capable of beating myself up.. don't need help in that department.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

I do, wouldn’t make sense to sell a product if I don’t know how it works. Though I can’t say how it works for other people, it gives an indication at least.

I’ll probably continue using it too because I find it practical, which is abusing the medicine instead of using it - since it probably doesn’t have any substantial health benefits for me.

I’m not against using this medication at all, your body your choice 🤷‍♂️

I think my intention comes across or is interpreted in a different way than intended.

All I’m trying to say is that I find it unfortunate for anyone to say this medication is the only solution (even if it is). Since it quickly gives others who doesn’t necessarily need it an “excuse” to decide that’s true for them too.

I consider these peptides miracle drugs with close to no downside, the risk/reward is absurdly good - But it is still medicine, and minimal use should be encouraged as a standard practice.

It could be that there really are no real downside to long term or even permanent use - but until that is an established fact, it is somewhat irresponsible to encourage use.

I completely agree with you on not encouraging people to use anything. I encourage researching and not in the peptide term..but in reading and speaking to himan with knowledge on the subject you can find.
Are you Diabetic? Pre-diabetic?

 

[MingHenry]

Hell yes!! 🙌🏼 Say it louder for the people in the back!! 💜

I just read an infuriating article about how these meds aren't dealing with the societal issues, re food, exercise, etc., so it's just the same thing over and over.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

It IS unfortunate, and it is, in fact, the only solution for millions of people. I'd bet a disability check that there isn't one single program or diet pill on the market that hasn't been thoroughly tested by the members here in this forum alone.

Of the hundreds of people I've talked to who are using glp1's, you are the only person I've come across who is taking it "for no good reason". Why are you using a medicine that you don't need and then lecturing others ad if they are doing the same? That comes across as projection.



This is a "given" as it's the #1 majority reason someone would need to get them through this route. 99.9% of people with diabetes can get them through insurance, cheaper than the direct from china route.

EVERYONE here has had the diet and exercise lecture more times than they can count, and we see it thrown in our faces constantly, so anytime someone mentions an alternate to glp1's, it clearly means diet and exercise, because that is the only true alternate. GLP1's allow many of us to control our appetite and work into a healthier lifestyle.



Most people do this and it's encouraged here

So you think everyone here is an irresponsible child? An addict? An idiot? What makes you think this community is loaded with people who need to hear this?

Generally, when one joins a forum, they spend considerable time reading, learning what it's about, and gauging the tone before jumping in with unsolicited advice.

It's not easy, and I'm far from practicing this 100%, but it's something to strive for. I've found it's better to block/ignore rather than respond. I tend to get over it quicker rather than wondering for days if I could have responded with a better return insult or scolding. Just make them disappear and move on.

If a DR ever talked to me like some people have said, I assure you, I'd never return.. and would probably post a scathing review in a few places to warn others. If a family member did that, I'd block them too! If they kept asking why I'm ignoring them, I'd ignore that question. Just leave them hanging. Don't give them the satisfaction or fuel for more nonsense. Replying almost always leads to more BS, so I generally just walk away and move on... Generally.

I'm quite capable of beating myself up.. don't need help in that department.

Yes...the wool got pulled from my eyes years ago on family. Let me set the stage for you..lol
My children go to Florida for the 1st time without me..I have to work..since I'm a single mother..my children go to spend the day with my family ( I am adopted...not something I would have ever pointed out until therapy and seeing the trauma inflicted...but I digress)
My aunts neighborhood is quite fancy and is family oriented. They hold a yearly block party..my kids are having a ball...playing...swimming..( my oldest has always been very very petite...my youngest is built like me...not a good thing for my family) I call my aunts to check in and see how they are before going to my 2nd job I worked..my father answers and proceeds to tell me how my 2nd was eating too much and how I need to keep an eye on her or she will end up like me...I hang up...get in my car...and drive a 12 hr drive in 8...I stop at my father's and tell him " say goodbye to your granddaughters...this is the last time you will speak with them until you get counseling on your toxic behavior "
I cut off my family..all of them...they all agreed...even though my child didn't have 5 pounds she could lose..we were both very muscular kids.
I went to counseling...I wrote them all letters..and I tried to raise my girls with so much self love.

 

[MingHenry]

Yes...the wool got pulled from my eyes years ago on family. Let me set the stage for you..lol
My children go to Florida for the 1st time without me..I have to work..since I'm a single mother..my children go to spend the day with my family ( I am adopted...not something I would have ever pointed out until therapy and seeing the trauma inflicted...but I digress)
My aunts neighborhood is quite fancy and is family oriented. They hold a yearly block party..my kids are having a ball...playing...swimming..( my oldest has always been very very petite...my youngest is built like me...not a good thing for my family) I call my aunts to check in and see how they are before going to my 2nd job I worked..my father answers and proceeds to tell me how my 2nd was eating too much and how I need to keep an eye on her or she will end up like me...I hang up...get in my car...and drive a 12 hr drive in 8...I stop at my father's and tell him " say goodbye to your granddaughters...this is the last time you will speak with them until you get counseling on your toxic behavior "
I cut off my family..all of them...they all agreed...even though my child didn't have 5 pounds she could lose..we were both very muscular kids.
I went to counseling...I wrote them all letters..and I tried to raise my girls with so much self love.

Incredible and I am so sorry. Did your father ever get it?

 

[Drexeldragon216]

I was always a “big boy” growing up. I played sports, was active, felt like I ate like the kids around me, yet I was the husky kid. I just got used to being made fun of. It wasn’t just people I didn’t know or “friends”, it was family and loved ones. Even if they didn’t think it was hurtful, it was. I ended up hating how I looked, I hated seeing myself in the mirror. I refused to take pictures as much as I could. I would walk by my reflection and actively look away. I tried every diet I could and I would loose a little weight, but it never stuck. Maybe it was will power, maybe it wasn’t. I don’t know. I always considered myself a failure because of this.

I have ended up with a beautiful family and good career, but accepted I was just going to be a big boy my whole life because no diet, no matter how hard I felt like I tried, worked long term. I didn’t even know what food noise was until I started compounded Tirz. It was like someone opened a door in my brain and I suddenly knew what that meant and how I had been thinking. Since I’ve started on Tirz, I have watched every meal I’ve eaten, I’ve consider every bite and portion size. I found the person inside of me that wanted to exercise and be active daily. The medicine has helped to change my drive. I actually look at myself now. Am I where I want to be? No. I’m getting there though and every day is better than the last.

I have found something that is helping me be the best version of myself I can be at the moment. I have a 110 day streak going on my Peloton and I am so proud of myself for that. In fact, the only person who knows that accomplishment is my wife. Luckily she has been able to see the me inside, not the me that people called fat and chubby and lazy. In the short time since I’ve joined this forum I feel like there are other people who understand what I’ve been through, without even having to say it.

Thank you for starting this thread and thank you all for sharing.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

Incredible and I am so sorry. Did your father ever get it?

No...I was always over reacting and I was the one needing help. Not that he ever tried to see the girls..he didn't want to be a dad let alone a grandfather. Lol...don't get me wrong..I loved my dad..but he had his shit to fix just like the rest of us..and he refused to see it

 

[goodvibes671]

Yes...the wool got pulled from my eyes years ago on family. Let me set the stage for you..lol
My children go to Florida for the 1st time without me..I have to work..since I'm a single mother..my children go to spend the day with my family ( I am adopted...not something I would have ever pointed out until therapy and seeing the trauma inflicted...but I digress)
My aunts neighborhood is quite fancy and is family oriented. They hold a yearly block party..my kids are having a ball...playing...swimming..( my oldest has always been very very petite...my youngest is built like me...not a good thing for my family) I call my aunts to check in and see how they are before going to my 2nd job I worked..my father answers and proceeds to tell me how my 2nd was eating too much and how I need to keep an eye on her or she will end up like me...I hang up...get in my car...and drive a 12 hr drive in 8...I stop at my father's and tell him " say goodbye to your granddaughters...this is the last time you will speak with them until you get counseling on your toxic behavior "
I cut off my family..all of them...they all agreed...even though my child didn't have 5 pounds she could lose..we were both very muscular kids.
I went to counseling...I wrote them all letters..and I tried to raise my girls with so much self love.

Lots of hugs to hand out in this forum today. 🫂
I’m sorry this happened to you and your daughter. Good on you for setting boundaries and cutting out the toxic people in your life. Sometimes people think that because they wear the title of ‘family’, that gives them a pass to cross boundaries and act like insensitive pricks. I have had to cut out close family members from my life in order to protect my mental health; best thing you could ever do for yourself. I give zero fuks about blood or family relation when they don’t care enough to respect my feelings to begin with.

 

[Broken Chef]

Yes...the wool got pulled from my eyes years ago on family. Let me set the stage for you..lol
My children go to Florida for the 1st time without me..I have to work..since I'm a single mother..my children go to spend the day with my family ( I am adopted...not something I would have ever pointed out until therapy and seeing the trauma inflicted...but I digress)
My aunts neighborhood is quite fancy and is family oriented. They hold a yearly block party..my kids are having a ball...playing...swimming..( my oldest has always been very very petite...my youngest is built like me...not a good thing for my family) I call my aunts to check in and see how they are before going to my 2nd job I worked..my father answers and proceeds to tell me how my 2nd was eating too much and how I need to keep an eye on her or she will end up like me...I hang up...get in my car...and drive a 12 hr drive in 8...I stop at my father's and tell him " say goodbye to your granddaughters...this is the last time you will speak with them until you get counseling on your toxic behavior "
I cut off my family..all of them...they all agreed...even though my child didn't have 5 pounds she could lose..we were both very muscular kids.
I went to counseling...I wrote them all letters..and I tried to raise my girls with so much self love.

That's unfortunate, but good for you! If that doesn't show spine and will power, nothing does! And it exemplifies why many of us are 1 "you should try diet and exercise" away from completely losing it on whoever said it.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

Lots of hugs to hand out in this forum today. 🫂
I’m sorry this happened to you and your daughter. Good on you for setting boundaries and cutting out the toxic people in your life. Sometimes people think that because they wear the title of ‘family’, that gives them a pass to cross boundaries and act like insensitive pricks. I have had to cut out close family members from my life in order to protect my mental health; best thing you could ever do for yourself. I give zero fuks about blood or family relation when they don’t care enough to respect my feelings to begin with.

In my experience..it's my * blood* that are the assholes...hahahahaha
I created the most loving ,caring, beautiful, accepting family. So no need for hugs for me...I came out the winning end...believe me..my circle is beautiful ❤️
But thank you. And I'm sorry you had to come to a place where you had to make that decision.

 

[goodvibes671]

In my experience..it's my * blood* that are the assholes...hahahahaha
I created the most loving ,caring, beautiful, accepting family. So no need for hugs for me...I came out the winning end...believe me..my circle is beautiful ❤️
But thank you. And I'm sorry you had to come to a place where you had to make that decision.

I love this for you! 💜 As for me, I’m okay. My life is full and happy, and I have forgiven those who hurt me, I just don’t associate with them anymore. I no longer harbor ill feelings, and pray for them instead.

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

Yep...lots of therapy...but I got there...hahahaha

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

I was always a “big boy” growing up. I played sports, was active, felt like I ate like the kids around me, yet I was the husky kid. I just got used to being made fun of. It wasn’t just people I didn’t know or “friends”, it was family and loved ones. Even if they didn’t think it was hurtful, it was. I ended up hating how I looked, I hated seeing myself in the mirror. I refused to take pictures as much as I could. I would walk by my reflection and actively look away. I tried every diet I could and I would loose a little weight, but it never stuck. Maybe it was will power, maybe it wasn’t. I don’t know. I always considered myself a failure because of this.

I have ended up with a beautiful family and good career, but accepted I was just going to be a big boy my whole life because no diet, no matter how hard I felt like I tried, worked long term. I didn’t even know what food noise was until I started compounded Tirz. It was like someone opened a door in my brain and I suddenly knew what that meant and how I had been thinking. Since I’ve started on Tirz, I have watched every meal I’ve eaten, I’ve consider every bite and portion size. I found the person inside of me that wanted to exercise and be active daily. The medicine has helped to change my drive. I actually look at myself now. Am I where I want to be? No. I’m getting there though and every day is better than the last.

I have found something that is helping me be the best version of myself I can be at the moment. I have a 110 day streak going on my Peloton and I am so proud of myself for that. In fact, the only person who knows that accomplishment is my wife. Luckily she has been able to see the me inside, not the me that people called fat and chubby and lazy. In the short time since I’ve joined this forum I feel like there are other people who understand what I’ve been through, without even having to say it.

Thank you for starting this thread and thank you all for sharing.

Isn't crazy what it feels like without the noise? I looked at my kids and husband and said " is this the way it always is for you?" And yes..I cried...and isn't it amazing to feel proud of yourself for something that has always been shameful?
Congratulations! I'm so happy for you! And you kick ass!

 

[Broken Chef]

Sheesh - I just realized that long message I posted was not what I meant to post.. The entire top 2/3 was typed and deleted, but because I forgot to "delete the draft" it posted anyhow. Fixed it.

I write probably double the amount I post, but then rethink and delete it. This has caught me on a few occasions, not just here, but on other forums.

HOWEVER - I am suddenly no longer able to edit my posts. Is anyone else seeing that the edit option has disappeared?

This has been fixed to, Zip changed it back to 24hrs.

 

[goodvibes671]

Sheesh - I just realized that long message I posted was not what I meant to post.. The entire top 2/3 was typed and deleted, but because I forgot to "delete the draft" it posted anyhow.

I write probably double the amount I post, but then rethink and delete it. This has caught me on a few occasions, not just here, but on other forums.

HOWEVER - I am suddenly no longer able to edit my posts. Is anyone else seeing that the edit option has disappeared?

I can still edit my posts. 🤔

 

[nurseratchit]

It IS unfortunate, and it is, in fact, the only solution for millions of people. I'd bet a disability check that there isn't one single program or diet pill on the market that hasn't been thoroughly tested by the members here in this forum alone.

Of the hundreds of people I've talked to who are using glp1's, you are the only person I've come across who is taking it "for no good reason". Why are you using a medicine that you don't need and then lecturing others ad if they are doing the same? That comes across as projection.



This is a "given" as it's the #1 majority reason someone would need to get them through this route. 99.9% of people with diabetes can get them through insurance, cheaper than the direct from china route.

EVERYONE here has had the diet and exercise lecture more times than they can count, and we see it thrown in our faces constantly, so anytime someone mentions an alternate to glp1's, it clearly means diet and exercise, because that is the only true alternate. GLP1's allow many of us to control our appetite and work into a healthier lifestyle.



Most people do this and it's encouraged here

So you think everyone here is an irresponsible child? An addict? An idiot? What makes you think this community is loaded with people who need to hear this?

Generally, when one joins a forum, they spend considerable time reading, learning what it's about, and gauging the tone before jumping in with unsolicited advice.

It's not easy, and I'm far from practicing this 100%, but it's something to strive for. I've found it's better to block/ignore rather than respond. I tend to get over it quicker rather than wondering for days if I could have responded with a better return insult or scolding. Just make them disappear and move on.

If a DR ever talked to me like some people have said, I assure you, I'd never return.. and would probably post a scathing review in a few places to warn others. If a family member did that, I'd block them too! If they kept asking why I'm ignoring them, I'd ignore that question. Just leave them hanging. Don't give them the satisfaction or fuel for more nonsense. Replying almost always leads to more BS, so I generally just walk away and move on... Generally.

I'm quite capable of beating myself up.. don't need help in that department.

Couldn’t have said it better, Chef. I had to stop engaging with this joker who just seems interested in hearing himself talk.

 

[Drexeldragon216]

Isn't crazy what it feels like without the noise? I looked at my kids and husband and said " is this the way it always is for you?" And yes..I cried...and isn't it amazing to feel proud of yourself for something that has always been shameful?
Congratulations! I'm so happy for you! And you kick ass!

It really is. I’ve never in my 40 years on this planet felt that way. Thank you for the kind words, I really do appreciate it.

 

[nurseratchit]

Sheesh - I just realized that long message I posted was not what I meant to post.. The entire top 2/3 was typed and deleted, but because I forgot to "delete the draft" it posted anyhow.

I write probably double the amount I post, but then rethink and delete it. This has caught me on a few occasions, not just here, but on other forums.

HOWEVER - I am suddenly no longer able to edit my posts. Is anyone else seeing that the edit option has disappeared?

I think the ability to edit goes away once someone else has reacted to or commented on the post. Sometimes I type my notes elsewhere and then cut and paste.