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[petticoat]

Hey everyone! I'm new to this world, and since I live in Europe I'm terribly scared of ordering from CN...

Does anyone have any experience with what happens if customs takes the package? Is it legal to import Sema/Tirz?

 

[PopTart]

Depends upon who you order from and their policy regarding customs seizures. Some make you pay half to reship and others don’t charge. There’s a spreadsheet somewhere on this forum with vendor info.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

My understanding is that getting the products into EU countries is the most difficult part, but if seized I've been told it's a non-issue for the buyer. Perhaps @Sheldor @Mounjamen might be able to chime in with some knowledge and experience.

Also, there are Chinese suppliers like QSC who have European warehouses they can ship some products from as well.

 

[Sheldor]

Does anyone have any experience with what happens if customs takes the package? Is it legal to import Sema/Tirz?

Hello,

Whether something is illegal or results in a fine depends on the country where you live.

Usually, they just destroy your order (this happened to me when I tried to order food from the USA that isn't allowed in the EU).

For example, Poland has less strict laws compared to Italy. I live in Italy, and here, buying or possessing certain substances without a prescription is illegal, and some peptides are outright banned due to anti-doping laws.

However, I have ordered various peptides like Triz, Reta, BPC157, CJC, etc., several times from China. I've never had any issues with customs because most suppliers know how to ship discreetly.

 

[Bacchus]

Depends on the amount, in most cases they just send a letter saying they took your stuff.

A good rule of thumb, is to not pick up anything illegal that you ordered without getting a pickup notification. If you do you basically admit that you ordered it.

You didn't really do anything illegal before you admit/they can prove that you ordered it. So if it's a small amount, they won't even bother trying.

It's quite simple, if receiving something illegal in the mail made you liable for it, anyone who dislikes you could get you into trouble way too easily.

Disclaimer: Not legal advice 🙂

 

[Sheldor]

Depends on the amount, in most cases they just send a letter saying they took your stuff.

A good rule of thumb, is to not pick up anything illegal that you ordered without getting a pickup notification. If you do you basically admit that you ordered it.

You didn't really do anything illegal before you admit/they can prove that you ordered it. So if it's a small amount, they won't even bother trying.

It's quite simple, if receiving something illegal in the mail made you liable for it, anyone who dislikes you could get you into trouble way too easily.

Disclaimer: Not legal advice 🙂

Like this maybe works in the US. EU is different, more strict. You will get a police report and a maybe a search warrant.

 

[Bacchus]

Like this maybe works in the US. EU is different, more strict. You will get a police report and a maybe a search warrant.

Well, fair enough - it's a bit more complex.

I was talking about a single shipment and assuming you don't have a stash in your house.

The chances that they search your house would be very low on a small order if you don't have any history.

The police report doesn't really do much unless you have a track record of getting into trouble.

They might also let a couple shipments through, log it and then bust you.

If it's single shipments of 10 vials for personal use, you wouldn't really get into much trouble.

But you are right to correct me as my initial reply might have downplayed the risk a bit too much.

If you automatically got into trouble for someone mailing you something illegal, I could simply open a service mailing weed to people you don't like 🙂

But tbh, if I still lived in the EU i would probably order domestic. Not really worth the trouble

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

Like this maybe works in the US. EU is different, more strict. You will get a police report and a maybe a search warrant.

European countries keep telling us how free, easy and progressive they are...

 

[Sheldor]

The chances that they search your house would be very low on a small order if you don't have any history.

Yes chances are very low but still possible

If you automatically got into trouble for someone mailing you something illegal, I could simply open a service mailing weed to people you don't like 🙂

This would work, they assume that you bought this and you need to proof that wasn't you etc. And still have to pay for lawyer. There will be 99% a good outcome for you but still annoying af

If it's single shipments of 10 vials for personal use, you wouldn't really get into much trouble.

This depends on the stuff which you ordered and in which country you are.

European countries keep telling us how free, easy and progressive they are...

As long you follow the lawys. In point of medication we aren't free at all. My wife was a Doctor in Belarus and she was shocked how backward Italy / EU in some fields of medication is.
For Example you need a prescription of a doctor (in Italy) if you want to get Ibuprofen 400mg

 

[milos]

from what I know, European Union as a whole has a strict laws prohibiting import of prescription drugs and there is theoretically a much higher risk for buyers compared to US citizens, where just send a love letter is usually the end of story

luckily many vendors have EU warehouses and Chinese are experienced in getting things thru customs too, if sending from CN

 

[Rflwr88]

Newbie here but I’ve placed 4 orders in the last month. One to the UK, 3 to Ireland. So far no issues.

 

[headdead]

24 days after ordering, my order was not cleared by US Customs. The supplier has reshipped, at their expense, but I'm stuck here waiting for probably another 3+ weeks. And I have no guarantee the 2nd shipment will clear US Customs. 1st world problems.

 

[petticoat]

Thanks everyone - I don't believe I'm doing anything wrong (at most a grey area, since Tirz/Monjouro isn't even commercialized here yet), but I opted for a seller with European lines just in case.

 

[Sheldor]

Thanks everyone - I don't believe I'm doing anything wrong (at most a grey area, since Tirz/Monjouro isn't even commercialized here yet), but I opted for a seller with European lines just in case.

Monjouro is an approved drug in EU and it is already being sold in Germany. But I would not worry about ordering from CN. Customs dont look for stuff like this

Mounjaro | European Medicines Agency (EMA)

www.ema.europa.eu

 

[Bacchus]

Thanks everyone - I don't believe I'm doing anything wrong (at most a grey area, since Tirz/Monjouro isn't even commercialized here yet), but I opted for a seller with European lines just in case.

As long as the amount you order is small enough to be considered for personal use, you are very unlikely to get any significant problems. Worst case it could be a bit of a headache and answering some questions, but even that is unlikely

 

[milos]

As long as the amount you order is small enough to be considered for personal use, you are very unlikely to get any significant problems. Worst case it could be a bit of a headache and answering some questions, but even that is unlikely

in US yes, not in Europe

 

[Bacchus]

in US yes, not in Europe

I do not know every European country intimately, but unless you live in a country where the legal system considers you guilty until you prove your innocence - you're fine 😉

I'm not saying it's not problematic at all, but being from a Nordic country myself and having tried it in practice - I know for a fact that my fellow countrymen overestimate the consequences, but I can not speak for the rest of Europe with conviction.

 

[milos]

I do not know every European country intimately, but unless you live in a country where the legal system considers you guilty until you prove your innocence - you're fine 😉

I'm not saying it's not problematic at all, but being from a Nordic country myself and having tried it in practice - I know for a fact that my fellow countrymen overestimate the consequences, but I can not speak for the rest of Europe with conviction.

Nordic countries are known to be even more strict
EU as a whole has laws against importing meds from outside of EU even for personal use, even 1 pill is not allowed.
Im not a lawyer and also Im living outside of europe for over 15 years, but I knew a few people who got into a serious trouble after ordering Rx meds or steroids from overseas before

 

[Bacchus]

Nordic countries are known to be even more strict
EU as a whole has laws against importing meds from outside of EU even for personal use, even 1 pill is not allowed.
Im not a lawyer and also Im living outside of europe for over 15 years, but I knew a few people who got into a serious trouble after ordering Rx meds or steroids from overseas before

They are indeed extremely strict, and you may be required to go to the police station for an integration - If they suspect distribution they might even show up on your doorstep with a warrant.

But in the legal system most places you are innocent until proven guilty. So if you did an order with crypto that you ran through a mixer, they will not spend the resources to prove guilt (they might not be able to even if they do) unless the amount is clearly for distribution.

I'm not saying it's a great idea to order illegal stuff online, but it's a risk/reward consideration everyone would have to consider themselves. I don't particularly mean to downplay the seriousness and get someone into trouble, there is definitely a risk - and if you don't know how to safely order and receive the shipment it isn't a great idea. Timing would also matter, since they have periods of time where they crack down more heavily.

Customs and the police work with a budget like every other govt organ, and they don't waste it for no reason.

Realistically I'd say there is a 1-3/10 chance your shipment gets stopped in customs in the first place if the sender knows what they are doing.

And if we are talking 1 kit for semaglutide for example, I'd say the chances are that they simply confiscate it and notify you by letter. Or you might receive a letter from the courier requesting to open your package (depends how it's sent), if you get that request you simply reply that you did not order anything.

Then there is a risk that they wait for you when you pick up the shipment, but as long as you don't pick it up without receiving a notification of a package by letter or sms. You can simply say that you picked it up because you got a notification and have no clue what it is.

It carries risk, but it's better to be informed when taking that risk so you can weigh it yourself.
But in general, it's obviously a better choice not to take the risk, depends how badly you feel like you need the products.

Personally I would opt for a domestic supplier, it costs more - but gives peace of mind 🙂

 

[milos]

They are indeed extremely strict, and you may be required to go to the police station for an integration - If they suspect distribution they might even show up on your doorstep with a warrant.

yes this happen even to me personally

But in the legal system most places you are innocent until proven guilty. So if you did an order with crypto that you ran through a mixer, they will not spend the resources to prove guilt (they might not be able to even if they do) unless the amount is clearly for distribution.

long time ago, when we had no crypto yet, we used Western Union for the payment or some people (me included) just used debit cards and it was pretty easy investigation for them with record of the purchase with bank

I'm not saying it's a great idea to order illegal stuff online, but it's a risk/reward consideration everyone would have to consider themselves. I don't particularly mean to downplay the seriousness and get

exactly, I just don't want to downplay the seriousness, that's all

Realistically I'd say there is a 1-3/10 chance your shipment gets stopped in customs in the first place if the sender knows what they are doing.

yes maybe around 1 / 10

And if we are talking 1 kit for semaglutide for example, I'd say the chances are that they simply confiscate it and notify you by letter. Or you might receive a letter from the courier requesting to open your package (depends how it's sent), if you get that request you simply reply that you did not order anything.

well it depends on the mode of payment, if its repeated offense, quantity ordered and mood of the officer

 

[Sheldor]

They are indeed extremely strict, and you may be required to go to the police station for an integration - If they suspect distribution they might even show up on your doorstep with a warrant.

I had police showing up my home with a warrant because of someone made some false claims.
But I still will order peptides form China because I dont belive in our health system because had problems with my gut for over 10 years, constant stomach pain and heartburn. Had countless visits to the doctor. BPC157 solved it in no time. (BPC157 is forbidden in Italy because of Anti doping law) And I say this even my wife is a Doctor

 

[Bacchus]

I had police showing up my home with a warrant because of someone made some false claims.
But I still will order peptides form China because I dont belive in our health system had problems with my gut for over 10 years, constant stomach pain and heartburn. Had countless visits to the doctor. BPC157 solved it in no time. And I say this even my wife is a Doctor

Europe is definitely rough, we looked into doing mail orders inside the EU but opted not to because it takes too much effort to do it safely and it runs up costs too much.

Personally I find it silly that they spend resources punishing people for personal use of more or less harmless substances - they definitely could spend their time better.

I do understand that the system kinda has to work that way, but it's unfortunate.

For those taking the risk and ordering anyway, I'd be happy to share some resources/services that makes it easier to stay anonymous and avoid trouble if the order does get stopped.

But I'm not sure if this board is suitable for sharing those?

@ZippityDooDah ?

 

[milos]

I had police showing up my home with a warrant because of someone made some false claims.

this is important to note for all EU residents ...

 

[milos]

But I'm not sure if this board is suitable for sharing those?

im also not so sure about going into details here is a good idea, but there are many opsec resources elsewhere on the net
one thing I already mentioned anyway is the payment - crypto is the best in this case probably

 

[Sheldor]

Personally I find it silly that they spend resources punishing people for personal use of more or less harmless substances - they definitely could spend their time better.

The problem is that they also just follow the law. Forbidden is forbidden. But it can be also they drop your case later. If you order for example 10x 30mg Semaglutide they can claim that you want to sell it because 300mg is not a normal household quantity.

But I'm not sure if this board is suitable for sharing those?

I think you can because @ZippityDooDah said few times this here is not Reddit.

 

[Bacchus]

im also not so sure about going into details here is a good idea, but there are many opsec resources elsewhere on the net
one thing I already mentioned anyway is the payment - crypto is the best in this case probably

Totally agree,

But be careful with assuming a crypto payment is anonymous, it's actually more traceable than a wire transfer in some ways. Too many variables to get into detail though.

 

[milos]

The problem is that they also just follow the law. Forbidden is forbidden. But it can be also they drop your case later. If you order for example 10x 30mg Semaglutide they can claim that you want to sell it because 300mg is not a normal household quantity.

also for them is easier to get points for a closed case with some scared individual who did order just one set, compared to professional smugglers for which the investigation will be much more difficult

 

[milos]

But be careful with assuming a crypto payment is anonymous, it's actually more traceable than a wire transfer in some ways. Too many variables to get into detail though.

yes it requires much better, deeper, knowledge of crypto and general opsec

 

[Bacchus]

The problem is that they also just follow the law. Forbidden is forbidden. But it can be also they drop your case later. If you order for example 10x 30mg Semaglutide they can claim that you want to sell it because 300mg is not a normal household quantity.

For sure, my disagreement won't change anything anyway 🙂

The problem is that they also just follow the law. Forbidden is forbidden. But it can be also they drop your case later. If you order for example 10x 30mg Semaglutide they can claim that you want to sell it because 300mg is not a normal household quantity.


I think you can because @ZippityDooDah said few times this here is not Reddit.

Fair enough, but I'll wait for Zippy to reply just in case. Common decency to respect the home owners opinion.

also for them is easier to get points for a closed case with some scared individual who did order just one set, compared to professional smugglers for which the investigation will be much more difficult

True, but you do significantly reduce your risk by considering how to react if you're unlucky.

I had police showing up my home with a warrant because of someone made some false claims.
But I still will order peptides form China because I dont belive in our health system because had problems with my gut for over 10 years, constant stomach pain and heartburn. Had countless visits to the doctor. BPC157 solved it in no time. (BPC157 is forbidden in Italy because of Anti doping law) And I say this even my wife is a Doctor

Probably unnecessary advice, but if you order frequently. Make sure you check your shipments thoroughly, a tactic they often use is to log packages and let them through - Then they use history of shipments as proof 😉

 

[milos]

For sure, my disagreement won't change anything anyway 🙂

in this discussion its just more about awareness