SAFETY WARNING! Yura / HYB RETA blue caps (R10)

[desinr-gal]

If you're wanting to get vendor refund/replacement protection, yes. Me personally I could care less about that. Jano already costing me $300+ for the testing, shipping and the straight up hassle of sending overseas. Kind of silly for a kit that costs less than the test. At this point in life I'd rather just buy a kit and wait to see if reports start popping up that it's bunk, or sacrifice a vial to Finnrick for a couple bucks shipping, and if it's bunk take the $300 Jano fee saved and just buy a another kit elsewhere.

Finnrick does not have a good reputation as far as testing is concerned. I wouldn't trust them.

 

[Chili777]

I'm kind of curious what the start-up costs are for setting up a lab with equal capability to Jano. How much does the equipment cost?

In his latest interview, on YT, Peter Magic said his primary test machine cost $400k. It also sounded like he has a couple other ones for specific tests not handling by the primary one.

 

[Nathanologist]

I'm kind of curious what the start-up costs are for setting up a lab with equal capability to Jano. How much does the equipment cost?

From scratch all new equipment to modern QC standards $600k start up and $400k annual operating costs. At least that’s my VERY ROUGH educated guess from similar business models available to me professionally. (Accounting/finance) maybe less depending on what method you want to do. Plus the knowledge to ‘tune’ the system so to speak…. It’s not an easy peasy task.

 

[bingoberries]

I wish people would apply their fact finding and scientific methods applied to COA testing from vendors as much as they did to journalistic hearsay such as this story.

It's easier for a vendor to do refunds and admit fault (even if not their own) than to actually do an investigation to the heart of the matter.

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet..." then this whole forum just buys hook, line, and sinker this story without researching anything at all.

Who got sick? How do we KNOW they purchased it from this vendor? How is it only TWO people who got sick from a vendor who sells hundreds and thousands of kits a day? How do we KNOW they didn't mix up their own products and/or take the whole vial, etc...

Why did this happen to the retatrutide vials only and not something innocuous to big pharma - like ipamorelin or PT-141? Why reta?

I'm not buying any of this until someone actually convinces me it's true.

 

[Nathanologist]

I wish people would apply their fact finding and scientific methods applied to COA testing from vendors as much as they did to journalistic hearsay such as this story.

It's easier for a vendor to do refunds and admit fault (even if not their own) than to actually do an investigation to the heart of the matter.

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet..." then this whole forum just buys hook, line, and sinker this story without researching anything at all.

Who got sick? How do we KNOW they purchased it from this vendor? How is it only TWO people who got sick from a vendor who sells hundreds and thousands of kits a day? How do we KNOW they didn't mix up their own products and/or take the whole vial, etc...

Why did this happen to the retatrutide vials only and not something innocuous to big pharma - like ipamorelin or PT-141? Why reta?

I'm not buying any of this until someone actually convinces me it's true.

Even a COA can be faked by someone with nefarious intent. You know how HYB’s name gets on the CIA? The client says so.

 

[bingoberries]

Even a COA can be faked by someone with nefarious intent. You know how HYB’s name gets on the CIA? The client says so.

I'm assuming we're on the same "skeptic" page... This is why I don't trust Finnrick. I emailed them multiple times asking how they confirm the veracity of the vendor claimed to be on the report. Shocking all I received was "crickets..." zero responses to 4 emails I sent to them.

 

[geoguy78]

Finnrick does not have a good reputation as far as testing is concerned. I wouldn't trust them.

Better than nothing, I'm sure. I've never used them, but I don't just blindly follow the hive mind in the pep community. There are people with a lot of followers in the pep community that are completely full of BS in my opinion. When I see real evidence other than "other people don't like them for their sketchy business model" or "people don't like them because they use labs other than Jano" or "they might send your sample to a lab that sucks", I'll be alarmed.

 

[geoguy78]

I wish people would apply their fact finding and scientific methods applied to COA testing from vendors as much as they did to journalistic hearsay such as this story.

It's easier for a vendor to do refunds and admit fault (even if not their own) than to actually do an investigation to the heart of the matter.

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet..." then this whole forum just buys hook, line, and sinker this story without researching anything at all.

Who got sick? How do we KNOW they purchased it from this vendor? How is it only TWO people who got sick from a vendor who sells hundreds and thousands of kits a day? How do we KNOW they didn't mix up their own products and/or take the whole vial, etc...

Why did this happen to the retatrutide vials only and not something innocuous to big pharma - like ipamorelin or PT-141? Why reta?

I'm not buying any of this until someone actually convinces me it's true.

Just the fact that this info is coming from The Swiss is enough to put my Bullshit Warning System to DEFCON 5.

 

[bingoberries]

Better than nothing, I'm sure. I've never used them, but I don't just blindly follow the hive mind in the pep community. There are people with a lot of followers in the pep community that are completely full of BS in my opinion. When I see real evidence other than "other people don't like them for their sketchy business model" or "people don't like them because they use labs other than Jano" or "they might send your sample to a lab that sucks", I'll be alarmed.

How is it that there is only 1 lab on the entire earth that is trusted for peptides? Literally NO other lab with competent scientists can do the job? I agree with you and constantly push back on the cult mentality in the peptide community. There is a lack of independent thinking here and it hurts my brain beyond belief.

 

[geoguy78]

How is it that there is only 1 lab on the entire earth that is trusted for peptides? Literally NO other lab with competent scientists can do the job? I agree with you and constantly push back on the cult mentality in the peptide community. There is a lack of independent thinking here and it hurts my brain beyond belief.

Jano got in on the scene early testing AAS for the bodybuilding scene. The legal structure in Czechia also allows them to get away with testing controlled substances out in the open. It truly is a matter of "because its the way it's always been done". Jano has had controversy in the past as well. it's compounded by the fact that Chinese vendors will only honor Jano tests for refunds. Probably partly because they know it's an expensive hassle and most people aren't doing it, thus their risk of having to back up bunk product (which is pretty rare given how much of this stuff gets purchased every day) is very low.

 

[bingoberries]

Jano got in on the scene early testing AAS for the bodybuilding scene. The legal structure in Czechia also allows them to get away with testing controlled substances out in the open. It truly is a matter of "because its the way it's always been done". Jano has had controversy in the past as well. it's compounded by the fact that Chinese vendors will only honor Jano tests for refunds. Probably partly because they know it's an expensive hassle and most people aren't doing it, thus their risk of having to back up bunk product (which is pretty rare given how much of this stuff gets purchased every day) is very low.

Good point and while I have nothing against Jano, I do support the competition of ideas, and in this sense, the competition of labs available. Jano's history with AAS is 1 thing, but these are peptides, which to me, should significantly broaden the ability for other labs to be utilized. Especially more local ones. I'm going to sleep, I'm tired lol.

 

[keangkong]

I'm kind of curious what the start-up costs are for setting up a lab with equal capability to Jano. How much does the equipment cost?

Equal capability to Jano? That would be ridiculously expensive. And it would be unnecessary in the US because there are plenty of substances that he handles that you would not be allowed to lawfully handle here. However, some of the largest costs will be hiring people with the skills to conduct such tests.

 

[keangkong]

I wish people would apply their fact finding and scientific methods applied to COA testing from vendors as much as they did to journalistic hearsay such as this story.

It's easier for a vendor to do refunds and admit fault (even if not their own) than to actually do an investigation to the heart of the matter.

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet..." then this whole forum just buys hook, line, and sinker this story without researching anything at all.

Who got sick? How do we KNOW they purchased it from this vendor? How is it only TWO people who got sick from a vendor who sells hundreds and thousands of kits a day? How do we KNOW they didn't mix up their own products and/or take the whole vial, etc...

Why did this happen to the retatrutide vials only and not something innocuous to big pharma - like ipamorelin or PT-141? Why reta?

I'm not buying any of this until someone actually convinces me it's true.

Then you should be able to purchase HYB reta from other users for very cheap.

It reminds of the time when I had to flee an erupting volcano in Guatemala. Some people had built houses in areas that had been destroyed by a previous erupting volcano around 20 years earlier. Fortunately, the volcanic eruption that I fled from wasn't as bad as and didn't damage those houses. But yes, by being skeptical, you put yourself in a great position to get bargains just as those Guatemalan citizens got great deals on land.

 

[keangkong]

How is it that there is only 1 lab on the entire earth that is trusted for peptides? Literally NO other lab with competent scientists can do the job? I agree with you and constantly push back on the cult mentality in the peptide community. There is a lack of independent thinking here and it hurts my brain beyond belief.

The whole idea of paying a lab to test is so that you can trust the lab. Go ahead and pick the cheapest lab. But if you're going do that, you might as well skip testing altogether. Just ask ChatGPT whether your peptides are safe. From the little I heard from Janoshik about Peptide Tests, he seems to rank them as being above his other competitors. Using them will save you some money due to less expensive shipping, but as others have noted, most vendors won't give a refund based upon a negative Peptide Tests result. Since the goal is to save money, just pass on buying Hospira water. The stuff from your sink is good enough.

 

[Nathanologist]

I'm assuming we're on the same "skeptic" page... This is why I don't trust Finnrick. I emailed them multiple times asking how they confirm the veracity of the vendor claimed to be on the report. Shocking all I received was "crickets..." zero responses to 4 emails I sent to them.

We are. I’m less than enthusiastic about the lack of transparency with the available testing labs. Very much a “trust me bro…” vibe. But, it’s what we got for now.

 

[Nathanologist]

Then you should be able to purchase HYB reta from other users for very cheap.

It reminds of the time when I had to flee an erupting volcano in Guatemala. Some people had built houses in areas that had been destroyed by a previous erupting volcano around 20 years earlier. Fortunately, the volcanic eruption that I fled from wasn't as bad as and didn't damage those houses. But yes, by being skeptical, you put yourself in a great position to get bargains just as those Guatemalan citizens got great deals on land.

There is a whole philosophy built around disaster tourism. Travel to an area after a crisis (disaster, economic, terrorist) because it’s usually cheapest, safety is on high alert, less crowded, they are more appreciative of your patronage and need your money more than ever.

My offer stands: anyone has blue top R10s to offer load dm me for my address… I’ll ’test’ them for your and let you know how it goes… 🤣 j/k (but not really)

Also keep an eye on HYB deals. The batches coming through them in the near future will be the most tested and possibly they run more promotional pricing to maintain business in lowered demand.

 

[tncc_rn]

Just the fact that this info is coming from The Swiss is enough to put my Bullshit Warning System to DEFCON 5.

Actually, it should be DEFCON 2.

 

[tncc_rn]

There is a whole philosophy built around disaster tourism. Travel to an area after a crisis (disaster, economic, terrorist) because it’s usually cheapest, safety is on high alert, less crowded, they are more appreciative of your patronage and need your money more than ever.

My offer stands: anyone has blue top R10s to offer load dm me for my address… I’ll ’test’ them for your and let you know how it goes… 🤣 j/k (but not really)

Also keep an eye on HYB deals. The batches coming through them in the near future will be the most tested and possibly they run more promotional pricing to maintain business in lowered demand.

^^^^^ Knows How The Game Is Played ^^^^^