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GLP-1s 'cheating' OR a TOOL
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MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Or if the doctor gave her too much too soon. I wish I had saved the study that someone else posted a while back that showed the rate of people who quit taking a GLP1 at what dose and how early. It basically showed that a whole lot of people where being given the max dose in their first week by their doctors. Surprise those people had problems.
Even my husband was started off at double the beginning dose. If I hadn't already gone through the process with my mother I wouldn't have known. I was able to ensure that he only took .25 mg instead of .5 mg for those first 4 weeks.
Foggy-Hollow
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yep. Judgy-McJudgerson is exactly where it’s heading. GLPs are in my neighborhood, and it’s like the South Park episode. Talk is: “Who’s on what, and why can’t my husband get prescribed?”
It’s been .. interesting.
Foggy-Hollow
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yes to all of this.
For the general Rx market, it depends on income brackets. The “haves” will have it. They will ferret out where. If not an Rx then the spa that compounds will get word of mouth marketing.
It’s funny how gray just smears the class/income line. Yes people should MTOB.
It will become the new Botox in certain circles. Meaning: assumed that everyone has had a little. Like orthodontic braces.
This idea that the only true and honest way to weight loss is through punishing hours in the gym is a ludicrous one.
If you are obese and want to not be obese, whatever long-term solution works for you is the best solution. Typically, obesity brings with it a host of cocommitant health issues and creates higher risk of cancer.
I don't listen to the noise that tells me I am cheating. After a lifetime of being HWP, I doubled in size after a brutal assault by the person who immediately became my ex-partner. I stumbled upon GLP-1 medication via dx of an obesity-related chronic illness. I am, again, of healthy body size and my chronic illness is in remission. Let's keep it that way.
Really, no one else has any say in how I manage my health except my doctor. Any person who thinks they do is sorely mistaken and will be advised accordingly.
Wishing everyone huge success in their journeys.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Exactly, and if this is cheating, then so is flying to NYC instead of driving. (metaphor by my doctor)
I sorta love this and may borrow it.
I've finally lost enough so that people I haven't seen for a bit notice. My default reply when they ask how is "Drugs". I enjoy the shock value. My wife thinks its hilarious how I dgaf about telling people.
Most inevitably chuckle and then make a comment about how they need to work out.
I'm curious as to how the fitness industry/food industry has fooled everyone into thinking that gym work is the key to weight loss vs consumption.
Most inevitably chuckle and then make a comment about how they need to work out.
I'm curious as to how the fitness industry/food industry has fooled everyone into thinking that gym work is the key to weight loss vs consumption.
Don't you think the gym work=results fits the concept of CICO?
If you're an American, the "success only through hard work" mindset is our national mantra (and it's false at every level) of Rugged Individualism and the "self made man". It's what we know. Anything else is cheating. Flat out.
(I reject the cheating concept in its entirety)
Yeah it is CICO but I think the big "lie" is the sheer amount of work per double cheeseburger is mindblowing. I just feel like people in general have zero idea how much cardio or strength training or anything is equivalent to a calorie. Their entire gym session that they feel good about wiped out by 2 mountain dews.
When someone asks I always tell them the easiest way to lose 10lbs is really really simple. Just track all the things you consume. Don't even have to try to eat less, the sheer act of connecting the calorie amount to the things you put in your body will make you eat less. They look at me like I have a 2nd head. Then start talking about 10k steps......
MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Here is one reason for it
For the record Coca cola has been promoting this mindset since at least the 80s.
It's fecking disgusting.
Most definitely people have no clue what it takes to burn whatever they're ingesting. They also don't realize it is 80% what a person eats and 20% movement.
10k steps makes my head explode. Please don't say those words to me again. 😂🤣
Chucky
GLP-1 Novice
If you're obese, people call you fat and lazy. If you try to lose weight, people will critique your diet, exercise or quality of living and tell you you're doing it wrong and will fail. Take a GLP-1 or have surgery, people criticize you for have not having the will power to do it on your own.
Regardless how you lose weight, people will criticize you for it. Do it for yourself and no one else. At the end of the day, its you who has to look at you in the mirror.
Regardless how you lose weight, people will criticize you for it. Do it for yourself and no one else. At the end of the day, its you who has to look at you in the mirror.
keangkong
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To me, the people who only eat healthy food are cheating. I'm thinking that if I only allowed myself to eat the bad-tasting food they eat, I'd be thin too.
Not_Your_Dad
GLP-1 Novice
As many have expressed, "cheating" what? I'm not an athlete, I'm not held to any standard. My cup can runneth over with every single goddamn substance on the WADA naughty list and that's ok. I'm doing what I need to do to survive and thrive.
I don't particularly care what anyone else thinks of what I'm doing. If anyone wants to judge me, they can fuck off.
The world would be a better place if we all just supported one another and when we noticed someone lost a great deal of weight, the only thing said would be, hey, congrats.
I don't particularly care what anyone else thinks of what I'm doing. If anyone wants to judge me, they can fuck off.
The world would be a better place if we all just supported one another and when we noticed someone lost a great deal of weight, the only thing said would be, hey, congrats.
PackmanJohnny
GLP-1 Apprentice
Using Performance enhancing anything should never be considered cheating for the average person.
you arent an athlete in a professional sports league(and even then I have some pretty wild takes regarding that), your only competition is yourself. Get better every day, its just You vs. You.
Most people who assume anything PED related is 'cheating' either have borderline zero functional knowledge of how PEDs or GLPs work, or they're too scared to make the leap and are jealous of the people who do.
Still gotta do the work. Don't let a hater shade your shine 🙂
you arent an athlete in a professional sports league(and even then I have some pretty wild takes regarding that), your only competition is yourself. Get better every day, its just You vs. You.
Most people who assume anything PED related is 'cheating' either have borderline zero functional knowledge of how PEDs or GLPs work, or they're too scared to make the leap and are jealous of the people who do.
Still gotta do the work. Don't let a hater shade your shine 🙂
Foggy-Hollow
GLP-1 Enthusiast
My 2 bits, I think it’s the media. Any athlete penalized for using them gets a headline. The general public tends to think in sound bites and black-and-white. Mr. Garrison says, “PEDs are bad, mmkay?” And I believe that’s where the thinking stops.
Train of thought is closer to: Being jealous of a doper is akin to being jealous of a fent addict, preposterous. They’re actively harming themselves, how can a person be jealous of that? No fear or jealousy involved. Maybe it’s ignorance = lack of knowledge. Or lack of curiosity to draw them in.
Which means it’s similar to grey, maybe that’s your point. Not everyone is going to choose that path and it’s probably for the better.
Is using GLP-1s on the same plane as doping? Not in my world. That and $2 will get you a coffee many places.
PackmanJohnny
GLP-1 Apprentice
probably my least popular take here is the fact that I do lump GLP's in with other peptides, RCs and ultimately gear - from the perspective of harm reduction/education of risk. (obviously the degree is different, Im totally comfortable saying that Tirz is safer than Winstrol or Halo LOL) Either way youre using a foreign substance to optimize your body's performance to achieve a more desirable outcome than it would on its own. But I also dont ascribe a morality level to any of it that would make one good or bad.
hit it on the head with the media. as usual, probably our greatest achilles as a society. oft trusted to do a lot of thinking for the individual instead of a provocation to do more thinking.
but to clarify, I dont think theyre jealous of usage as much as they would be of result. regardless of the emotion, I do think the skepticism probably denotes maybe a decision-making or critical thinking inability that leaves the individual better off not exploring alternative supplements.
MsGizmo
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Every medicine we have is introducing a foreign substance to optimize the body's performance. Heck, if you think about food and water is doing that too.
Fact is that some people are just shitty human beings and will judge you about something no matter what you do.
PackmanJohnny
GLP-1 Apprentice
This is true! Karen's and Kenneth's who deem themselves some kind of moral arbiter will judge you for being fat just as intensely as they would for 'being vain' and lifting weights or for 'taking drugs' LOL.
trying to please people inconsequential to your life and journey will do nothing but wear you out. I might not boil it down to being the same as water haha, but precisely - when properly educated/informed (or with a Dr if youre lucky) - using supplements to improve your life is virtually indifferent from medication or procedures that prolong/enhance your life.
I forget where I heard it - Hemlock is a naturally occurring substance, and appendectomies are not - one seems a lot better for humans than the other!
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