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(Alice) TFC’s Lipo-C tested as DYED WATER
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I bought some water with red dye number 3 (which has been banned from the US) from Alice and it tested as lipo-C. There was no detectable amount of red dye number 3 in it.
I don't recall anyone saying what number red dye it was
Water isn't red and doesn't dye hands or anything else red
Maybe it is something none of us suspect? Muahahah
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Can you share your test report?
I do find it funny we're banning red dye #3 which has basically zero reproducible scientific evidence of being problematic while still doing nothing about all the shit actually killing us.
I believe it is a joke.
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It seems that if she is going to attack Janoshik's work, she needs to attach an analysis from some other expert from the same field.
Some of what she wrote simply doesn't make sense.
For instance, she wrote:
Yet Jano's report shows:
At this point, I don't understand why anyone aware of what happened would buy from them.
Here is the text from the statement they made, so you don’t have to download it in .docx.pdf format (WTF was that)
Regarding Lipo-C:
Hello everyone, thank you for your continued patience, and we sincerely appreciate the time
you've given us to enjoy a pleasant holiday.
We have some questions regarding the Lipo-C test report we received, and we’d like to
understand certain aspects better. We are not trying to avoid addressing any issues, and we take
full responsibility for our product.
Here are our concerns regarding Lipo-C:
1. Concerns About the Dye Solution
As we stated in our published formula, our Lipo-C contains vitamin B12.
Here’s what we understand about vitamin B12:
The color of vitamin B12 (also known as cobalamin) depends on its specific form and
concentration. The common color characteristics of vitamin B12 are as follows:
1.Pure Vitamin B12 Crystals:
Dark red or maroon: Vitamin B12 crystals are typically dark red or maroon due to the cobalt
ion (Co³⁺) in its molecular structure, which forms specific coordination complexes with
surrounding ligands, resulting in a red color.
2.Vitamin B12 Solution Color:
Pink to red: When dissolved in water or other solvents, vitamin B12 solutions usually appear
pink to red, with the exact shade depending on the concentration.
Low concentration: Light pink.
High concentration: Dark red.
3.Different Forms of Vitamin B12:
Cyanocobalamin: The most common synthetic form, which is typically dark red crystals or a
pink to red solution.
Methylcobalamin: A bioactive form, similar in color to cyanocobalamin, typically red.
Hydroxocobalamin: Another common form, usually deep red.
4.Vitamin B12 in Foods or Supplements:
In food or supplements, vitamin B12’s color may be diluted or masked by other ingredients,
for example:
Tablets or capsules: May appear with pink or red specks.
Injections: Typically a red or pink solution.
5.Color Changes and Their Significance:
If the color of vitamin B12 changes (e.g., fades or darkens), it may indicate instability, such as
degradation due to exposure to light, oxidation, or high temperatures.
Summary: The typical color of vitamin B12 is deep red or pink, resulting from the cobalt ion
in its structure. In solutions or products, the color intensity depends on the concentration and
form. If the color is abnormal (e.g., colorless or darkened), it may indicate potential stability or
purity issues.
To make Lipo-C closer to the deep red color, we’ve added plant extracts, which are harmless to
the body. Does this result in the conclusion of a dye solution?
2. The Test Report Concludes "Lipo-C is Just Dye
Solution"
After receiving the test report, we researched several Lipo-C Janoshik test reports and will attach
our findings. We also referenced a website with data on the main ingredients of Lipo-C and its
testing reports; if this causes any inconvenience, please contact us, and we will remove it.
optimasupply.net
This website only tests for heavy metals, endotoxins, and sterility in Lipo-C. The product's
ingredients overlap significantly with our formula, so we believe it may be of some reference
value.
The product contains: 200 mg L-Carnitine, 20 mg Arginine, 25 mg Methionine, 50 mg Inositol, 50
mg Choline, 25 mg Vitamin B5 Pantothenate, 25 mg Vitamin B6, and 400 mcg Vitamin B12
Methylcobalamin.
Not a single report directly concluded that “Lipo-C is just dye solution.
”
Janoshik’s test reports don’t make a direct statement like “Lipo-C” or “dye solution.
” Instead, they
provide quantitative and qualitative data based on scientific analysis. Whether it's “Lipo-C” or
“dye solution” must be further evaluated based on test results.
Janoshik Test Report Includes:
1. Ingredient Analysis: The report lists the ingredients detected and their
concentrations.
Our published Lipo-C ingredients are:
L-Carnitine 20mg, Arginine 20mg, Methionine 25mg, Inositol 50mg, Choline 50mg, B6
(Pyridoxine) 25mg, B5 (Dexpanthenol) 25mg, B12 (Methylcobalamin) 1mg, 2% Benzyl
Alcohol, 2% Lidocaine.
Lipo-C formulas on the market are not identical, and we believe it’s unscientific to directly
conclude that “Lipo-C is just dye solution.
”
Janoshik Can Test Most of the Ingredients in the Formula:
L-Carnitine (20mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
Arginine (20mg): Can be tested via amino acid analysis or HPLC.
Methionine (25mg): Can be tested via amino acid analysis or HPLC.
Inositol (50mg): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Choline (50mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine, 25mg): Can be tested via HPLC.
Vitamin B5 (Dexpanthenol, 25mg): Can be tested via HPLC.
Vitamin B12 (Methylcobalamin, 1mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
Benzyl Alcohol (2%): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Lidocaine (2%): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Summary: Janoshik’s test reports provide quantitative and qualitative data on ingredients,
and whether it is “Lipo-C” or “dye solution” should be further analyzed based on the test results.
The report itself doesn’t conclude, but the data can help assess the product's authenticity.
3. The Test Report Lacked Ingredient Testing and
Directly Concluded the Solution Was “Just Dye”
We need to verify whether the report included testing methods, results, and other key
information:
1.Comprehensive Testing Items: Did the report test the key ingredients of Lipo-C?
2.Testing Methods: Were the testing methods (like HPLC, GCMS) suitable for the
ingredients in Lipo-C?
The test report we received did not show any data, only the conclusion of “dye solution.
”
3.Sample Source:
Was the sample tampered with or replaced? Could contamination have occurred?
Was sample handling conducted properly to avoid bias in the test results?
4.Scientific Validity of the Conclusion:
Was the conclusion data-driven? Janoshik reports typically provide testing data, not direct
conclusions like "dye solution.
" The report we received didn’t provide any ingredient
conclusions, such as whether L-Carnitine, Arginine, Methionine, or B12 was detected.
4. Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Non-AAS
Samples
In Janoshik’s reports, qualitative and quantitative analysis of non-AAS samples refers to
identifying and measuring the components of non-atomic absorption spectrometry (AAS)
samples. Here’s a detailed explanation:
1.Qualitative Analysis: Identifying whether specific components (like Vitamin C,
liposomes, etc.) are present in the sample and confirming their chemical structure.
Methods: Chromatography (e.g., HPLC, GC), Mass Spectrometry (LCMS, GCMS), and
Spectroscopy (IR, NMR).
Applications: Confirming the presence of target components and detecting impurities or
contaminants.
2.Quantitative Analysis: Measuring the specific concentration of components in the
sample.
Purpose: To determine the concentration or percentage of target components to ensure
they match the label or standard.
Methods: Chromatography (HPLC, GC), Titration, and Spectroscopy (UV-Vis).
Applications: Verifying if the active ingredient concentrations meet the stated amounts and
ensuring impurities are within safe limits.
3.Non-AAS Samples: AAS (Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy) is mainly used for detecting
metal elements like calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. Non-AAS samples are usually organic
compounds (like vitamins, amino acids, liposomes).
Analysis Methods: For non-AAS samples, Janoshik uses Chromatography, Mass Spectrometry,
or Spectroscopy for qualitative and quantitative analysis.
4.In Janoshik’s Reports:
Qualitative Analysis Results: Lists the detected components and confirms their chemical
structure.
Quantitative Analysis Results: Provides the concentration of each ingredient (e.g., mg/g, %),
and compares it to standard or label values.
Test Results: Results should clearly show the values for each test, especially for the purity
and concentration of active ingredients. If it’s a Lipo-C product, it should measure and provide
specific data on its fat-dissolving effects. These data points were not reflected in the test report
we received.
Purity and ingredient levels should be clearly listed, and not just vague results like “dye solution.
”
The concerns I’ve raised are not to evade responsibility, but rather because many people have
recently been attacking suppliers. More and more people are starting to influence public opinion,
and I believe this is not a healthy trend. I feel compelled to express my doubts.
During my work, I always provide the best service to each of my clients, and I am more than
willing to resolve any issues they bring to me.
My original intention of providing high-quality products and services to clients will never change.
Thank you all for your continued understanding and support.
Regarding Lipo-C:
Hello everyone, thank you for your continued patience, and we sincerely appreciate the time
you've given us to enjoy a pleasant holiday.
We have some questions regarding the Lipo-C test report we received, and we’d like to
understand certain aspects better. We are not trying to avoid addressing any issues, and we take
full responsibility for our product.
Here are our concerns regarding Lipo-C:
1. Concerns About the Dye Solution
As we stated in our published formula, our Lipo-C contains vitamin B12.
Here’s what we understand about vitamin B12:
The color of vitamin B12 (also known as cobalamin) depends on its specific form and
concentration. The common color characteristics of vitamin B12 are as follows:
1.Pure Vitamin B12 Crystals:
Dark red or maroon: Vitamin B12 crystals are typically dark red or maroon due to the cobalt
ion (Co³⁺) in its molecular structure, which forms specific coordination complexes with
surrounding ligands, resulting in a red color.
2.Vitamin B12 Solution Color:
Pink to red: When dissolved in water or other solvents, vitamin B12 solutions usually appear
pink to red, with the exact shade depending on the concentration.
Low concentration: Light pink.
High concentration: Dark red.
3.Different Forms of Vitamin B12:
Cyanocobalamin: The most common synthetic form, which is typically dark red crystals or a
pink to red solution.
Methylcobalamin: A bioactive form, similar in color to cyanocobalamin, typically red.
Hydroxocobalamin: Another common form, usually deep red.
4.Vitamin B12 in Foods or Supplements:
In food or supplements, vitamin B12’s color may be diluted or masked by other ingredients,
for example:
Tablets or capsules: May appear with pink or red specks.
Injections: Typically a red or pink solution.
5.Color Changes and Their Significance:
If the color of vitamin B12 changes (e.g., fades or darkens), it may indicate instability, such as
degradation due to exposure to light, oxidation, or high temperatures.
Summary: The typical color of vitamin B12 is deep red or pink, resulting from the cobalt ion
in its structure. In solutions or products, the color intensity depends on the concentration and
form. If the color is abnormal (e.g., colorless or darkened), it may indicate potential stability or
purity issues.
To make Lipo-C closer to the deep red color, we’ve added plant extracts, which are harmless to
the body. Does this result in the conclusion of a dye solution?
2. The Test Report Concludes "Lipo-C is Just Dye
Solution"
After receiving the test report, we researched several Lipo-C Janoshik test reports and will attach
our findings. We also referenced a website with data on the main ingredients of Lipo-C and its
testing reports; if this causes any inconvenience, please contact us, and we will remove it.
Lipo-C + 20 ML – Optima Supply
optimasupply.net
ingredients overlap significantly with our formula, so we believe it may be of some reference
value.
The product contains: 200 mg L-Carnitine, 20 mg Arginine, 25 mg Methionine, 50 mg Inositol, 50
mg Choline, 25 mg Vitamin B5 Pantothenate, 25 mg Vitamin B6, and 400 mcg Vitamin B12
Methylcobalamin.
Not a single report directly concluded that “Lipo-C is just dye solution.
”
Janoshik’s test reports don’t make a direct statement like “Lipo-C” or “dye solution.
” Instead, they
provide quantitative and qualitative data based on scientific analysis. Whether it's “Lipo-C” or
“dye solution” must be further evaluated based on test results.
Janoshik Test Report Includes:
1. Ingredient Analysis: The report lists the ingredients detected and their
concentrations.
Our published Lipo-C ingredients are:
L-Carnitine 20mg, Arginine 20mg, Methionine 25mg, Inositol 50mg, Choline 50mg, B6
(Pyridoxine) 25mg, B5 (Dexpanthenol) 25mg, B12 (Methylcobalamin) 1mg, 2% Benzyl
Alcohol, 2% Lidocaine.
Lipo-C formulas on the market are not identical, and we believe it’s unscientific to directly
conclude that “Lipo-C is just dye solution.
”
Janoshik Can Test Most of the Ingredients in the Formula:
L-Carnitine (20mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
Arginine (20mg): Can be tested via amino acid analysis or HPLC.
Methionine (25mg): Can be tested via amino acid analysis or HPLC.
Inositol (50mg): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Choline (50mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine, 25mg): Can be tested via HPLC.
Vitamin B5 (Dexpanthenol, 25mg): Can be tested via HPLC.
Vitamin B12 (Methylcobalamin, 1mg): Can be tested via HPLC or LCMS.
Benzyl Alcohol (2%): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Lidocaine (2%): Can be tested via HPLC or GCMS.
Summary: Janoshik’s test reports provide quantitative and qualitative data on ingredients,
and whether it is “Lipo-C” or “dye solution” should be further analyzed based on the test results.
The report itself doesn’t conclude, but the data can help assess the product's authenticity.
3. The Test Report Lacked Ingredient Testing and
Directly Concluded the Solution Was “Just Dye”
We need to verify whether the report included testing methods, results, and other key
information:
1.Comprehensive Testing Items: Did the report test the key ingredients of Lipo-C?
2.Testing Methods: Were the testing methods (like HPLC, GCMS) suitable for the
ingredients in Lipo-C?
The test report we received did not show any data, only the conclusion of “dye solution.
”
3.Sample Source:
Was the sample tampered with or replaced? Could contamination have occurred?
Was sample handling conducted properly to avoid bias in the test results?
4.Scientific Validity of the Conclusion:
Was the conclusion data-driven? Janoshik reports typically provide testing data, not direct
conclusions like "dye solution.
" The report we received didn’t provide any ingredient
conclusions, such as whether L-Carnitine, Arginine, Methionine, or B12 was detected.
4. Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Non-AAS
Samples
In Janoshik’s reports, qualitative and quantitative analysis of non-AAS samples refers to
identifying and measuring the components of non-atomic absorption spectrometry (AAS)
samples. Here’s a detailed explanation:
1.Qualitative Analysis: Identifying whether specific components (like Vitamin C,
liposomes, etc.) are present in the sample and confirming their chemical structure.
Methods: Chromatography (e.g., HPLC, GC), Mass Spectrometry (LCMS, GCMS), and
Spectroscopy (IR, NMR).
Applications: Confirming the presence of target components and detecting impurities or
contaminants.
2.Quantitative Analysis: Measuring the specific concentration of components in the
sample.
Purpose: To determine the concentration or percentage of target components to ensure
they match the label or standard.
Methods: Chromatography (HPLC, GC), Titration, and Spectroscopy (UV-Vis).
Applications: Verifying if the active ingredient concentrations meet the stated amounts and
ensuring impurities are within safe limits.
3.Non-AAS Samples: AAS (Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy) is mainly used for detecting
metal elements like calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. Non-AAS samples are usually organic
compounds (like vitamins, amino acids, liposomes).
Analysis Methods: For non-AAS samples, Janoshik uses Chromatography, Mass Spectrometry,
or Spectroscopy for qualitative and quantitative analysis.
4.In Janoshik’s Reports:
Qualitative Analysis Results: Lists the detected components and confirms their chemical
structure.
Quantitative Analysis Results: Provides the concentration of each ingredient (e.g., mg/g, %),
and compares it to standard or label values.
Test Results: Results should clearly show the values for each test, especially for the purity
and concentration of active ingredients. If it’s a Lipo-C product, it should measure and provide
specific data on its fat-dissolving effects. These data points were not reflected in the test report
we received.
Purity and ingredient levels should be clearly listed, and not just vague results like “dye solution.
”
The concerns I’ve raised are not to evade responsibility, but rather because many people have
recently been attacking suppliers. More and more people are starting to influence public opinion,
and I believe this is not a healthy trend. I feel compelled to express my doubts.
During my work, I always provide the best service to each of my clients, and I am more than
willing to resolve any issues they bring to me.
My original intention of providing high-quality products and services to clients will never change.
Thank you all for your continued understanding and support.
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Easier to rebrand. The next time you order from her, you'll be ordering from Phil from a company with some new name.
penewbie
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I can accept a lot of shit from vendors. Including zero pep, zero lip, zero bac.
But I CANNOT ACCEPT a dude vendor!
chmuse
Public Nuisance 🦜🐧🦅🦚🦃🦢🐓🦆🦉
Hey, there's women here too. I'll buy from a guy if he's a stud with washboard abs.
I'm 100% hoping I can get another vendor to change their picture by making jokes. 😂
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You better believe that if I was a grey vendor in China selling to the US, my profile photo would look far better than the real me. Would I use a photo of a man or a woman? I use a photo of whatever would get me the most sales.
A lot of the AAS UGLs on other sites have people with well defined abs in their avatars and sell peptides too.
Granted, closer to Skye prices than QSC, but, if all you want is some abs to look at while putting in your order...
I think there's an untapped market of people wanting to buy from great apes. The world is your oyster
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How are you going to make sure? Does Janoshik check for the gender of your vendor?
Only if you call me Dear
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Done, Dear.
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Maybe a skinny chest but ABs....
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Thanks for recognizing that I'm a great ape. Most people don't realize gorillas are great apes. Great apes consist of gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos (really, horny, vegetarian, chimps with black faces), and orangutans. We great apes are far superior to the lowly lesser apes, gibbons and siamangs. If you order GLP-1 "research peptides" from a gibbon, you're likely to get a piece of root. And don't even get me started on what siamangs would sell you.
@Alice TFC is online on Discord but ignores all messages.
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Tell her that you want to buy something from her. I'll bet she'll become very responsive.
I did, so I know that she is online. (second account)
