Any heavy lifters out there??

[Theotherone55]

some say slu-pp-332 gives a boost to workouts. I personally haven't experienced it.

there are literally 100 other things you could suggest for someone fighting fatigue BEFORE SLU...

It's like having a headache and telling him/her they should get a CT scan to check for tumors. WAY unnecessary.

OP, what does your diet look like? Do you drink caffeine at all?

 

[BenevolentMrTang]

there are literally 100 other things you could suggest for someone fighting fatigue BEFORE SLU...

It's like having a headache and telling him/her they should get a CT scan to check for tumors. WAY unnecessary.

OP, what does your diet look like? Do you drink caffeine at all?

This is a peptide forum, after all, and the poster I replied to was inviting me to offer my thoughts on a subject I have discussed here and elsewhere. Some of these substances are profoundly strong and effective. I know the science is not proven on SLU-PP-332 yet and may not be proven for years, if ever, but my personal experience is that it works better than anything I have encountered in my life. So, yeah, I encourage people to use it. TRT has been around a long time, and it works.

I would assume that the OP knows about the common sense remedies for fatigue.

You're tired? Get more rest. That's pretty helpful. Change your diet if it sucks. Is that what you had in mind? I thought my advice about not overdoing it is pretty common sense and simple.

 

[Theotherone55]

This is a peptide forum, after all, and the poster I replied to was inviting me to offer my thoughts on a subject I have discussed here and elsewhere. Some of these substances are profoundly strong and effective. I know the science is not proven on SLU-PP-332 yet and may not be proven for years, if ever, but my personal experience is that it works better than anything I have encountered in my life. So, yeah, I encourage people to use it. TRT has been around a long time, and it works.

I would assume that the OP knows about the common sense remedies for fatigue.

You're tired? Get more rest. That's pretty helpful. Change your diet if it sucks. Is that what you had in mind? I thought my advice about not overdoing it is pretty common sense and simple.

Why not let the actual person I tagged chime in before you come in hot buddy.
I didnt even readdd your post and somehow you reply to me like you're the SLU authority and i said something to you

No matter what justification you say, adding an exercise mimetic like SLU should not be the first line of defense against fatigue. The OP didn't start this thread because he's asking for a boost for his workouts...he's stating a problem that he's noticed since taking reta. Anyone trying to problem solve would try to brain storm about WHY this is happening rather than what he should add to his stack to fix it. That's common sense. No problem with encouraging people to use it...but do it to work toward a goal, not to try a fix a possible serious problem.
Also, why not suggest GW501516? Why not nootropics? Why not kanna?

I'm also replying to this as someone who has used ALL OF THIS, so its not new and hot and trendy for me to suggest it.

 

[Sunflower]

Anyone lift heavy weights on a GLP-1?? I have been on Reta for 3 weeks. 4 mg a week. When I lift I feel completely wasted during and after the workout. I workout hard so after the workout is common for me. A couple days I felt like I was on the verge of going hypo during workouts. Started pushing a little heavier this week because I’ve been out with an injury. I don’t know if I’m just not eating enough or what. Today I got super lightheaded almost felt like I was going down. Don’t know if anyone supplements with anything preworkout or any tips from anyone that’s been doing this a little longer then I have. Thanks to anyone with input. Appreciate it.

Yeah, I had the same experience trying to lift early on with Tirz/ Reta. It’s mostly subsided now, but I still feel mentally tired resistance to getting to the gym, tho it disappears when I get to lifting.

Two male peptide bodybuilders I follow are dosing Reta 3x/wk at 0.5-1mg per dose, for cutting purposes while maintaining energy. They suggest doing this cycle for maybe 1-3 months.

 

[BenevolentMrTang]

Why not let the actual person I tagged chime in before you come in hot buddy.
I didnt even readdd your post and somehow you reply to me like you're the SLU authority and i said something to you

No matter what justification you say, adding an exercise mimetic like SLU should not be the first line of defense against fatigue. The OP didn't start this thread because he's asking for a boost for his workouts...he's stating a problem that he's noticed since taking reta. Anyone trying to problem solve would try to brain storm about WHY this is happening rather than what he should add to his stack to fix it. That's common sense. No problem with encouraging people to use it...but do it to work toward a goal, not to try a fix a possible serious problem.
Also, why not suggest GW501516? Why not nootropics? Why not kanna?

I'm also replying to this as someone who has used ALL OF THIS, so its not new and hot and trendy for me to suggest it.

I wouldn't say that was really coming in hot, but OK. I never said an exercise mimetic should be the first line of defense. But it is something to consider, yes?

Why not suggest cardarine? Well, as someone in cancer remission who has read the studies on cardarine when I was considering using it, I was a little spooked by the fact that it caused all kinds of cancer in mice unlike just about any substance I have ever heard of. Granted, the mice were taking some high doses, but that was just messed up. I think it might be the most cancer-causing substance I have ever heard of, honestly. If you want to try that, be my guest. I'm pretty adventurous and not risk-averse, but damn. Cardarine is plain scary.

SLU-PP-332 is new and hot and trendy because ... it's new. And for some people, it really works. That will make something hot and trendy.

But yeah, my advice for a middle-aged guy feeling fatigued is:

1. Get plenty of rest.
2. Eat well. Cut down on bad stuff and eat good stuff.
3. Don't overdo it with lifting.
4. Consider TRT.
5. Take some SLU-PP-332 and whatever else will help you.

 

[hexagonal]

Also, don't go so hard in your workout. Unless you are training as a competitive athlete, give yourself a break and don't overdo it. A few months ago, I overdid a workout and felt like absolute crap for a couple days. And I asked myself, why? Why am I going so hard to the point of injury? IDK. But don't do it. Your primary goal should be to maintain your health. You want to get the benefits of lifting, but it's counterproductive to injure yourself by going too hard for no good reason.

For lifting in particular if you want to make progress for anything beyond newb gains, you have to go pretty hard. Most of the growth stimulus occurs on the reps that are close to failure.

Even as we get older we can still train hard without putting ourselves at undue injury risk. Proper form, control the eccentric, work to 1-3 reps in reserve. For movements where it is safe to go to failure, do so periodically to help calibrate your RIR, or if you can recover from it, take the last set to failure regularly. Otherwise, you're getting exercise, but you're not going to be giving your muscles the cues they need to grow (or maintain, if in a severe deficit).

 

[rkl123]

Why not let the actual person I tagged chime in before you come in hot buddy.
I didnt even readdd your post and somehow you reply to me like you're the SLU authority and i said something to you

No matter what justification you say, adding an exercise mimetic like SLU should not be the first line of defense against fatigue. The OP didn't start this thread because he's asking for a boost for his workouts...he's stating a problem that he's noticed since taking reta. Anyone trying to problem solve would try to brain storm about WHY this is happening rather than what he should add to his stack to fix it. That's common sense. No problem with encouraging people to use it...but do it to work toward a goal, not to try a fix a possible serious problem.
Also, why not suggest GW501516? Why not nootropics? Why not kanna?

I'm also replying to this as someone who has used ALL OF THIS, so its not new and hot and trendy for me to suggest it.

Unless you're kidding, GW is super carcinogenic.

 

[BenevolentMrTang]

For lifting in particular if you want to make progress for anything beyond newb gains, you have to go pretty hard. Most of the growth stimulus occurs on the reps that are close to failure.

Even as we get older we can still train hard without putting ourselves at undue injury risk. Proper form, control the eccentric, work to 1-3 reps in reserve. For movements where it is safe to go to failure, do so periodically to help calibrate your RIR, or if you can recover from it, take the last set to failure regularly. Otherwise, you're getting exercise, but you're not going to be giving your muscles the cues they need to grow (or maintain, if in a severe deficit).

This is why I said not to go "too hard." Sure, you need to go hard to get the benefits, but you're not training for Mr. Olympia or trying to keep your spot on an NFL team. So, yeah, don't go too hard.

7 years ago, I was in the top 1% of men my age in terms of strength. It's hard to admit that sometimes you need to slow down a bit and accept that you cannot physically do the things you did when you were younger. I had to accept this reality when I went a little overboard and hurt myself unnecessarily, resulting in not being able to train as usual. Father Time is undefeated.

 

[Theotherone55]

But yeah, my advice for a middle-aged guy feeling fatigued is:

1. Get plenty of rest.
2. Eat well. Cut down on bad stuff and eat good stuff.
3. Don't overdo it with lifting.
4. Consider TRT.
5. Take some SLU-PP-332 and whatever else will help you.

I agree with this for sure

Unless you're kidding, GW is super carcinogenic.

The dosage equated for humans is no where near possible to consume.
GW has also been on the market for quite awhile now and we havent seen cases of negative cancer or cancer-like effects.

 

[rkl123]

I agree with this for sure


The dosage equated for humans is no where near possible to consume.
GW has also been on the market for quite awhile now and we havent seen cases of negative cancer or cancer-like effects.

We have. There are a smattering of threads on MESO where a young individual with no cancer history gets giga cancered. Not really a substance anyone responsible should suggest.

 

[rkl123]

We have. There are a smattering of threads on MESO where a young individual with no cancer history gets giga cancered. Not really a substance anyone responsible should suggest.

Here’s a discussion on if the carcinogenic dose is actually high or not https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/cardarine-for-lipids.134425453/post-3294735

 

[hexagonal]

This is why I said not to go "too hard." Sure, you need to go hard to get the benefits, but you're not training for Mr. Olympia or trying to keep your spot on an NFL team. So, yeah, don't go too hard.

7 years ago, I was in the top 1% of men my age in terms of strength. It's hard to admit that sometimes you need to slow down a bit and accept that you cannot physically do the things you did when you were younger. I had to accept this reality when I went a little overboard and hurt myself unnecessarily, resulting in not being able to train as usual. Father Time is undefeated.

Sure, but we're also talking to a lot of people here that have no understanding of what "hard" vs. "too hard" is.

In a past life, and once again more recently, I've helped a lot of friends and co-workers get their start with lifting weights. The overwhelming majority have been far more likely to go too light than too hard. People don't like doing hard things. We shy away from them.

 

[Theotherone55]

We have. There are a smattering of threads on MESO where a young individual with no cancer history gets giga cancered. Not really a substance anyone responsible should suggest.

A link for the discussion of GW but not for this sole person that we've determined got cancer from GW? Uh huh. Meso is also bottom of the barrel of where'd id get info from. Getbig has more trustworthy info than that place lol

 

[rkl123]

A link for the discussion of GW but not for this sole person that we've determined got cancer from GW? Uh huh. Meso is also bottom of the barrel of where'd id get info from. Getbig has more trustworthy info than that place.

I mean a company had the holy grail of exercise in a compound and abandoned it because it was incredibly carcinogenic but you and your getbig bros know better.

I’d recommend not suggesting it to noobies.

 

[Theotherone55]

I mean a company had the holy grail of exercise in a compound and abandoned it because it was incredibly carcinogenic but you and your getbig bros know better.

I’d recommend not suggesting it to noobies.

Maybe u missed the entire context of the convo as it was compared to SLU. You should read up a bit more, you seem new to this stuff. I suggest examine.com

 

[BillGoldberg]

Yeah, I had the same experience trying to lift early on with Tirz/ Reta. It’s mostly subsided now, but I still feel mentally tired resistance to getting to the gym, tho it disappears when I get to lifting.

Two male peptide bodybuilders I follow are dosing Reta 3x/wk at 0.5-1mg per dose, for cutting purposes while maintaining energy. They suggest doing this cycle for maybe 1-3 months.

What bodybuilders are you taking about??

And to everyone else. I feel a lot better the last few days. Trying to focus of making sure I’m eating something relatively close to training. And I am on TRT++. I just can’t stop pushing myself hard. Some day I’m going to have to stop. Just found out I may have a form of arthritis in my spine and hips. Hard training is a huge part of my life and my routine. And what makes me, me. It keeps me sober. Not that less stressful training wouldn’t but I just like being one of the hardest workers in the gym. I refuse to give it up just yet.

 

[rkl123]

Maybe u missed the entire context of the convo as it was compared to SLU. You should read up a bit more, you seem new to this stuff. I suggest examine.com

SLU being a dumb suggestion does not logically justify going for carcinogens. I’m not new and I wish you delight in your eventual cancer, however many years from now.

 

[AndyPanda]

There is a lot of talk about SLU. I think AICAR is a better choice for one simple reason… it is on the WADA ban list. This tells me that it works.

 

[keangkong]

Anyone lift heavy weights on a GLP-1?? I have been on Reta for 3 weeks. 4 mg a week. When I lift I feel completely wasted during and after the workout. I workout hard so after the workout is common for me. A couple days I felt like I was on the verge of going hypo during workouts. Started pushing a little heavier this week because I’ve been out with an injury. I don’t know if I’m just not eating enough or what. Today I got super lightheaded almost felt like I was going down. Don’t know if anyone supplements with anything preworkout or any tips from anyone that’s been doing this a little longer then I have. Thanks to anyone with input. Appreciate it.

Heavy lifter? Wimpy lifter who is even more wimpy than normal while on GLP-1 drugs? Yes, that's me. For a person who has a power cage in their home and actually sometimes uses it, I'm about as weak a man can be. I told myself that if I get below 170 lbs I'll let myself take creatine, which helps increase muscle size, strength, and endurance (all slightly; we're not talking something as effective as steroids) but which also increases weight by increasing the amount of water stored in muscles. I don't experience symptoms like you. I don't feel completely wiped out after a work out. I just can't lift much and any gains take forever. Traditionally, when I started out with low weights, I could gain somewhat quickly rather easily. Now I'm frequently unable to hit my target number of reps.

On the bright side, despite having lost 10 pounds of muscle, I look much stronger than I did before because people see muscle instead of fat.