Any heavy lifters out there??

[Theotherone55]

Do you mean bodybuilding as in training for competitions? Or using gear and semi-obsessively focusing on ways to gain muscle/ strength while cutting fat beyond what is considered reasonable for our “age?”

I know the MESO forum is full of bodybuilders, but it’s really hard to weed through the bro sarcasm posts to understand what’s serious advice there 🤪

Meso is trash. That’s the first thing. If you still are on boards, and very few are. You aren’t posting on that bullshit forum lol I rep for a lab on a couple different forums but my main one is ProM. At least that’s where I started.

But comp BB, as in I’m like 20 weeks out and just started prep. Probably do 2 shows this year.

 

[BillGoldberg]

Meso is trash. That’s the first thing. If you still are on boards, and very few are. You aren’t posting on that bullshit forum lol I rep for a lab on a couple different forums but my main one is ProM. At least that’s where I started.

But comp BB, as in I’m like 20 weeks out and just started prep. Probably do 2 shows this year.

Nice. NPC shows?? Or are you pro?? I used to rep for one too. With my new job just had to stop two years ago. Wish I could keep doing it.

 

[BillGoldberg]

Ok, glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t “get it” when reading there. I’ll have to venture outside of here, Reddit, and preppy’s for more bodybuilding (pro-gear fitness) communities. No Facebook though! 😝 Maybe I’m overlooking a helpful subreddit, though, if you have a recommendation there.

What is preppys?? I keep seeing that.

 

[Theotherone55]

Nice. NPC shows?? Or are you pro?? I used to rep for one too. With my new job just had to stop two years ago. Wish I could keep doing it.

No pro card, just npc. A regional show in June and then USAs come July. Been a long offseason and I’m the biggest I’ve ever been so I’m soo ready to cut and slim down lol

Ok, glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t “get it” when reading there. I’ll have to venture outside of here, Reddit, and preppy’s for more bodybuilding (pro-gear fitness) communities. No Facebook though! 😝 Maybe I’m overlooking a helpful subreddit, though, if you have a recommendation there.

Nah you’re right. Reddit is bad lol equal to Meso in some regards. If you just want basic info, ask questions and learn some new shit, ASF (anabolicsteroidforum) is good. ProM has some smart guys. Lots of high level discussions and good content. But they can be a rough crowd when asking basic shit lol lotsss of well know Pros and coaches were brought up there. Basically alll of my foundational coaching info I learned from that place (and working with coaches of course)

 

[BillGoldberg]

@Theotherone55 whats your height ?? Weight ??

 

[Myzooof6]

This happened to me on Reta at first. Adding Mots-C has been helping.

 

[Theotherone55]

@Theotherone55 whats your height ?? Weight ??

6'0, 325 right right almost 20 weeks out.

 

[BillGoldberg]

Shit bro …. Shit bro … shit bro.

 

[Sunflower]

What is preppys?? I keep seeing that.

Preppy’s was a typo Lol. Peppy’s, the other more general peptide forum that is hosted on Discourse.

 

[Sunflower]

No pro card, just npc. A regional show in June and then USAs come July. Been a long offseason and I’m the biggest I’ve ever been so I’m soo ready to cut and slim down lol


Nah you’re right. Reddit is bad lol equal to Meso in some regards. If you just want basic info, ask questions and learn some new shit, ASF (anabolicsteroidforum) is good. ProM has some smart guys. Lots of high level discussions and good content. But they can be a rough crowd when asking basic shit lol lotsss of well know Pros and coaches were brought up there. Basically alll of my foundational coaching info I learned from that place (and working with coaches of course)

Ok great to know there are more fitness/gear-focused forums aside from MESO. I will check these out. Hopefully plenty of female users as well. Finding sources for “optimal” hormone, thyroid, and blood marker levels vs. “recommended” is quite the journey.

 

[BillGoldberg]

Super jealous @Theotherone55 I never had the appetite of discipline food wise to get anywhere near 3 bills.

 

[Theotherone55]

Super jealous @Theotherone55 I never had the appetite of discipline food wise to get anywhere near 3 bills.

It’s very much an eating game man. Progressively…over years and years. “Oh I wanna be 220.” Then “I wanna be 220 with abs.” It keeps going year after year and do it long enough you’re a very large person. Very much a genetics thing too.

And I was always a lifter, just enjoyed training which almost is a necessity to make the years go by quick. Did PL first and then made the switch to BBing.

 

[BillGoldberg]

Have you competed before ??

 

[TetsuNW]

I’m a competitive bodybuilding fan 🤣 that made sense when I said it to myself. I got into Reta because all the bodybuilding podcasts starting talking about it. And I was having a hard time getting diet together. Glad I did.

Lol same. Steve been talking about them a long time. I felt like I was seeing no progress at all woth my diet for a while so after lots and lots of research I was finally ready to try Reta. The sides and results balance finally looked right for me. Btw, not a BB, I've been training for nearly 20yr though. No cycles, but I follow a few of the BB community guys as well as wellnes and health types.

First thing I was gonna say about your initial post was check all your blocks first. Sleep, macros, meal timing and carb timing, hydration, electrolyte balance. Seems like you got it so far. But if you didn't I would have said look at methylene blue and/or low dose caffeine if the above didn't address it.

 

[BillGoldberg]

Lol same. Steve been talking about them a long time. I felt like I was seeing no progress at all woth my diet for a while so after lots and lots of research I was finally ready to try Reta. The sides and results balance finally looked right for me. Btw, not a BB, I've been training for nearly 20yr though. No cycles, but I follow a few of the BB community guys as well as wellnes and health types.

First thing I was gonna say about your initial post was check all your blocks first. Sleep, macros, meal timing and carb timing, hydration, electrolyte balance. Seems like you got it so far. But if you didn't I would have said look at methylene blue and/or low dose caffeine if the above didn't address it.

I was taking mb for a little while. After I got hurt and was out of work I stopped. I’m gonna get back on it. I got some mots-c on the way to help with some fatigue. I’ve been getting better workouts making sure to eat right before working out. Also added in some highly branches cyclic dextrin.

 

[TetsuNW]

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I was taking mb for a little while. After I got hurt and was out of work I stopped. I’m gonna get back on it. I got some mots-c on the way to help with some fatigue. I’ve been getting better workouts making sure to eat right before working out. Also added in some highly branches cyclic dextrin.

I started taking the MB to prevent and possible adohenia that may arise from high doses of bpc/tb500. I ran it for a week before the healing protocol and I felt a difference, no caffeine even, so I hung onto it. As for fat loss, idk, im not sure on that one lol.

I haven't messed with dex/malto/wms or any of the new fangled carbs in years. Steel cut oats and/or dates are my go to for years now. Love some oats.

Part of the reason I chose Reta was no fatigue sides were reported so I haven't looked at mots-c. I use to run a lot of citrulline in my pwo, with cm, salt, mg, k, and glycerol for extended heavy resistance workouts. It's basically a water holding stack, it made a difference pushing into the 2hr territory. I don't train that way any longer though.

 

[Jackol Jones Lenno]

Yeah, GLP-1s can zap your energy, especially lifting heavy. Sounds like low blood sugar .Try quick carbs (banana, rice cakes) 30 to 45 min pre workout and add electrolytes. These meds kill appetite, but you still need fuel. If you’re still lightheaded, adjust meal timing and intensity until you dial it in. Keep pushing, but listen to your body!

 

[Nikon1149]

I lift 4 days a week, usually pretty heavy (5-7 RM). I've only been on Tirz two weeks but my lifts have really noticeably dropped.

5kg reps on bench
5kg reps on squat
10kg (22lbs) on Deadlifts!!!!

For only two weeks that seems like a lot

My cals are about 1700 a day
200 protein
160 carbs
30 fats

I'm a bit concerned my deficit is too aggressive (about 1000-1100cals), but i'm also hoping it's just an initial drop due to depleted muscle glycogen, and my bodies adaptation to this new nutritional paradigm.

Going forward i'm going to be way more vigilant with having pretty much all my carbs pre and post workout on workout days, if I keep dropping strength like this I'm going to have to assume I am losing dry muscle tissue at an alarming rate and dial back my deficit.

Since I found these amazing chinese vendors and their prices I am going to incorporate hgh into my protocol to hopefully help offset muscle catabolism.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

when bodybuilders cut i think they do more reps at a lighter weight.

 

[Nikon1149]

when bodybuilders cut i think they do more reps at a lighter weight.

Not anymore, that approach was popular some time ago.

More optimal approach is keeping weights heavy but limiting volume because fatigue is higher.

 

[hexagonal]

From what I've heard from listening to IFBB pros talking about their cuts, I don't know that there is any standard approach. Seems to vary a lot from coach to coach, and even more if an individual is self coaching.

 

[Joobly]

Anyone lift heavy weights on a GLP-1?? I have been on Reta for 3 weeks. 4 mg a week. When I lift I feel completely wasted during and after the workout. I workout hard so after the workout is common for me. A couple days I felt like I was on the verge of going hypo during workouts. Started pushing a little heavier this week because I’ve been out with an injury. I don’t know if I’m just not eating enough or what. Today I got super lightheaded almost felt like I was going down. Don’t know if anyone supplements with anything preworkout or any tips from anyone that’s been doing this a little longer then I have. Thanks to anyone with input. Appreciate it.

Lifting heavy 4 days a week, Been on 2mg Reta for the last 3 weeks and have been maintaining strength for the most part, but those first two weeks were rough.

Restructured my workouts to prioritize heavy lifts up front. It seems more like the endurance has gone down more than strength.

Just started 1mg tesa last night and slept like a baby. I’m hoping I see some strength gain from it, but cutting is priority right now.

Preworkout is your friend, that’s my best advice haha

 

[flsailfish22]

Dieting even without GLP1 meds can zap energy for heavy lifting. The add in a GLP1 and even less cals than a normal diet and it's an even bigger struggle. I had the same issue. Lowering the weight and increasing reps helped some, but I was still run down. So, I raised carbs to 200-250g and split my training into AM/PM sessions. All 3 combined have made a huge difference in not always feeling exhausted. Plus, pre planned diet (eating at maintenance) and training breaks every 6 weeks. Even on 4mg of reta I can down 2500 to 3000 cals daily without any issues while on the vertical diet. I can also go super low and feel no hunger issues.