rkl123
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Here’s a discussion on if the carcinogenic dose is actually high or not https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/cardarine-for-lipids.134425453/post-3294735
Any heavy lifters out there??
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Sure, but we're also talking to a lot of people here that have no understanding of what "hard" vs. "too hard" is.
In a past life, and once again more recently, I've helped a lot of friends and co-workers get their start with lifting weights. The overwhelming majority have been far more likely to go too light than too hard. People don't like doing hard things. We shy away from them.
Theotherone55
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A link for the discussion of GW but not for this sole person that we've determined got cancer from GW? Uh huh. Meso is also bottom of the barrel of where'd id get info from. Getbig has more trustworthy info than that place lol
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rkl123
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I mean a company had the holy grail of exercise in a compound and abandoned it because it was incredibly carcinogenic but you and your getbig bros know better.
I’d recommend not suggesting it to noobies.
Theotherone55
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Maybe u missed the entire context of the convo as it was compared to SLU. You should read up a bit more, you seem new to this stuff. I suggest examine.com
BillGoldberg
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What bodybuilders are you taking about??
And to everyone else. I feel a lot better the last few days. Trying to focus of making sure I’m eating something relatively close to training. And I am on TRT++. I just can’t stop pushing myself hard. Some day I’m going to have to stop. Just found out I may have a form of arthritis in my spine and hips. Hard training is a huge part of my life and my routine. And what makes me, me. It keeps me sober. Not that less stressful training wouldn’t but I just like being one of the hardest workers in the gym. I refuse to give it up just yet.
rkl123
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SLU being a dumb suggestion does not logically justify going for carcinogens. I’m not new and I wish you delight in your eventual cancer, however many years from now.
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Heavy lifter? Wimpy lifter who is even more wimpy than normal while on GLP-1 drugs? Yes, that's me. For a person who has a power cage in their home and actually sometimes uses it, I'm about as weak a man can be. I told myself that if I get below 170 lbs I'll let myself take creatine, which helps increase muscle size, strength, and endurance (all slightly; we're not talking something as effective as steroids) but which also increases weight by increasing the amount of water stored in muscles. I don't experience symptoms like you. I don't feel completely wiped out after a work out. I just can't lift much and any gains take forever. Traditionally, when I started out with low weights, I could gain somewhat quickly rather easily. Now I'm frequently unable to hit my target number of reps.
On the bright side, despite having lost 10 pounds of muscle, I look much stronger than I did before because people see muscle instead of fat.
Healthmaster
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I lift heavy, not as heavy as I did 25lbs ago. Have you considered hgh with your trt? It seems to help keep strength as I get leaner and I threw in some slupp and so far I feel like I can workout forever, recovery between sets is vastly improved. 500mcg before workouts really seems to help.
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Can you share a link please?
rkl123
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You have to eat for your training, even though the GLP1 will kill your appetite. If you are using the GPL1 to lose weight, then you are in a deficit. You should plan your deficit. Using a GLP1 for contest prep as a bodybuilder seems to be a great idea, but using a GLP1 in contest prep for a lifting meet does not.
The steeper the deficit, the lower the volume of training has to be. In a deep deep deficit, I only hit 2-3 weight training sessions a week and then I just walk. I cannot add any additional work or it messes up the entire process. You want to send the signal to your body to keep the muscle, training too much gives your body mixed signals. I especially avoid HIIT or interval type activities in the deep deficit.
Best practice seems to be this:
Plan out your protein requirements. You HAVE to hit these, even if you don't feel like it. For example, I need 250+ grams a day. I have to hit this, bare minimum to help maintain muscle mass in a deficit. I have to use protein shakes like Fairlife, protein powders, and beef jerky to hit this.
As far as training energy, try honey before training and during training. Why honey? It's easy to carry around a bottle and just suck some down. It also seems to hit fast.
The steeper the deficit, the lower the volume of training has to be. In a deep deep deficit, I only hit 2-3 weight training sessions a week and then I just walk. I cannot add any additional work or it messes up the entire process. You want to send the signal to your body to keep the muscle, training too much gives your body mixed signals. I especially avoid HIIT or interval type activities in the deep deficit.
Best practice seems to be this:
Plan out your protein requirements. You HAVE to hit these, even if you don't feel like it. For example, I need 250+ grams a day. I have to hit this, bare minimum to help maintain muscle mass in a deficit. I have to use protein shakes like Fairlife, protein powders, and beef jerky to hit this.
As far as training energy, try honey before training and during training. Why honey? It's easy to carry around a bottle and just suck some down. It also seems to hit fast.
rkl123
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If we just math out with human equivalent dosing from rat to human, the dose should be somewhere in the vicinity of 200-400mg.
That being said we have NO data on this humans. We don't know if it works at all in humans. We have no idea if it is safe in humans or could cause some manner of damage to XYZ body system (as many past drugs that looked promising in lab animals but failed in humans did). No one really should be taking it, but it is amusing to watch.
rkl123
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God speed!
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I already have / had cancer, depending on which doctor is speaking. Had it since 2008. I can pass on getting on getting any additional cancers.
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I admire the discipline body builders have. I'm reasonably disciplined but I lack the discipline required to be a body builder.
BenevolentMrTang
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I've found that 800mcg before exercising is very effective for me. At this point, I cannot see a reason to increase the dosage beyond that.
Sunflower
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Not traditional bodybuilders, but they know more than most about peptides along with their TRT and AAS cycles. Jay Campbell and Hunter Williams. The peptides and gear, if used responsibly, are tools that CAN help us lift heavy with age. If you get injured in the gym, things like BPC, TB, GHKCu, and specific bioregulators can cut your recovery time.
nonyabizznez
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I just want to say I fully support you borrowing your wife's purses if they complete your ensemble. Buy your own heels though. Sharing those is icky.
BillGoldberg
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Dang. Was hoping I found another bodybuilding fan that could discuss it with me. I know no one that has as much an interest and follows it as I do. I begging for BB friends. 🤣
BillGoldberg
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Just started up in the last week or so on hgh again. Since I discovered this vendors with these prices I will be including it all the time. It’s just so expensive with my regular places.
You don't need a lot of discipline when coupled with the GLP1s, you have 2 goals
1) calorie deficit BUT protein adequate
2) resistance training to send a signal to the body you want to keep the muscle.
I'm a former powerlifter/strongman/highland games/olympic lifter/rugby player type. Do a lot of BB style training now.
BillGoldberg
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It would be easier to note what you haven’t done …
Theotherone55
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Competitive BBer and BB fan here lol
Found this place to because im going to throw Reta into my contest prep
BillGoldberg
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I’m a competitive bodybuilding fan 🤣 that made sense when I said it to myself. I got into Reta because all the bodybuilding podcasts starting talking about it. And I was having a hard time getting diet together. Glad I did.
Sunflower
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Do you mean bodybuilding as in training for competitions? Or using gear and semi-obsessively focusing on ways to gain muscle/ strength while cutting fat beyond what is considered reasonable for our “age?”
I know the MESO forum is full of bodybuilders, but it’s really hard to weed through the bro sarcasm posts to understand what’s serious advice there 🤪
BillGoldberg
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Yea. The sport of bodybuilding. Competitions. I’m on other forums. Can not stand Meso. One time one of my forums got over run by a group of meso guys that got kicked off. And they were the worst of the worst.
Sunflower
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Ok, glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t “get it” when reading there. I’ll have to venture outside of here, Reddit, and preppy’s for more bodybuilding (pro-gear fitness) communities. No Facebook though! 😝 Maybe I’m overlooking a helpful subreddit, though, if you have a recommendation there.
