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I received a letter of peptides being seized and that I may have an interest in them.

It gives me 4 options.

Why is this making it look like I am committing a criminal act? It was Tirz, Nad+ and BPC.

I’ve never received a letter like this before.
 

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NAD+ and BPC are sold on Amazon (as capsules), so (in a less imperfect world) the only issue would be the tirz.
 
Texansgal said:
I received a letter of peptides being seized and that I may have an interest in them.

It gives me 4 options.

Why is this making it look like I am committing a criminal act? It was Tirz, Nad+ and BPC.

I’ve never received a letter like this before.
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I never received one through certified mail, but have received one. If you place another order, I would use a different name and address. I read on MESORX that once you have a package seized, your name and address will get flagged.

I just counted the loss, but that’s up to you. My package was seized before because it had Lunesta from India in it.
 
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AndyPanda said:
I never received one through certified mail, but have received one. If you place another order, I would use a different name and address. I read on MESORX that once you have a package seized, your name and address will get flagged.
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Great! 🤦🏼‍♀️ Thank you so much.
 
Big pharma continues to flex its power. Just ignore it. It's not a real issue. There are probably a few feds on this forum as we speak.

This is why I prefer to purchase from a US warehouse. It's already here. We pay a little more because the risk is reduced on our end.
 
From Google Gemini:
  • Automatic Forfeiture: CBP will likely proceed with the forfeiture of the tirzepatide without your input. This is the most probable outcome of ignoring the notice.

  • Potential for Negative Consequences: While less likely, ignoring a formal notice could potentially lead to further scrutiny or complications depending on the specific circumstances of the seizure and the reasons behind it. It might be seen as non-cooperation.
 
Peloma said:
Big pharma continues to flex its power. Just ignore it. It's not a real issue. There are probably a few feds on this forum as we speak.

This is why I prefer to purchase from a US warehouse. It's already here. We pay a little more because the risk is reduced on our end.
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You are singing my song.
 
AndyPanda said:
My package was seized before because it had Lunesta from India in it.
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That is surprising for such an unexciting medication, but I see it is a controlled substance. Regarding tirz:

Google Gemini said:
Tirzepatide:
  • High Risk of Seizure: Tirzepatide, while gaining popularity for weight management and type 2 diabetes, faces significant scrutiny from U.S. Customs. Several factors contribute to this high risk:
    • Unapproved Status: Unless specifically approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the individual and imported under strict personal importation guidelines, tirzepatide entering the U.S. is considered an unapproved drug. The FDA generally prohibits the importation of unapproved drugs.

    • Enforcement Focus: CBP has been actively seizing shipments of unapproved weight loss drugs, including tirzepatide, often originating from unregistered foreign entities. There's an increased focus on preventing these drugs from entering the U.S. due to concerns about safety, efficacy, and potential counterfeiting.

    • Intellectual Property: Pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of FDA-approved tirzepatide (Mounjaro and Zepbound), are actively working to prevent the import of illicit knock-off versions, citing trademark infringement and false designation of origin. The U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) has also issued orders directing CBP to crack down on these imports.

    • Recent Seizures: CBP has reported numerous seizures of tirzepatide shipments arriving from various countries, often mislabeled or concealed.
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Texansgal said:
I received a letter of peptides being seized and that I may have an interest in them.

It gives me 4 options.

Why is this making it look like I am committing a criminal act? It was Tirz, Nad+ and BPC.

I’ve never received a letter like this before.
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Because in the strictest sense, you are.

www.fda.gov

Human Drug Imports

Human drug import information
www.fda.gov www.fda.gov

These almost certainly fail the adulteration and branding requirements for drug importing. It's just that they are almost certainly just going to destroy it and move on, unlike what they might do for controlled substances.
 
The guys on the steroid forums probably just eat these notices for fiber, e.g.

Charges are not sent to you in a letter merely because they seized a package. It takes more than that. Anyone can send a package to anyone else.
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Brother let me speak from experience here . The amount of packages containing banned products That crosses the boarder everyday is astronomical . Hundreds of pounds of raw fentanyl,steroids and other drugs in raw as well as pill form cross the boarders . They simply dont have the resources to track every package down . Especially a small box of AAS. They already know they have no way to prove that it was you who ordered what is inside the box and chances are if they show up that you will deny the package is yours ( I would hope) . They would need an admission . case closed.

Thats not to say for you not to take precautions . I wouldn't order to the same address again . I dont know what country your in , But it is possible they have flagged your address . Its doubtful but its possible . Dont order to your address anymore. Have it sent to a friend or get a po box . Try and register it in someone else's name , But you can get away with it using your name . The only thing they will see is the address to a po box .
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Alright chief let me tell you something:

no. There is no federal investigation lol.

With a package seizure, you may receive what's referred to as a "love letter"...

All that's happened now is his address is flagged. Tell him to stop ordering sketchy shit. For the next year or so, don't order anything illegal. Even then I'd use a different address to be safe. Package seizures happen all the time and this dude needs to stop being paranoid. Unless they attempted a controlled delivery, which they wouldn't unless you were moving serious weight, you're fine. Chill out.
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First, you should panic. A tactical squad is likely en route to your house at this very moment.

Then you should shave your head, burn off your fingerprints, stow away on a freighter to Europe, sneak into France, join the French Foreign Legion.

A couple years from now when you are murdering Africans to support the economic interests of the French elite this will all seem like a distant past life.
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I had 2 seized last month and got 2 letters. My suggestion is to ignore them and don't stress over it. I've since received 5 other packages from India loaded with prescription meds. So far, the theory of me being on some list has not been true. My orders were full on controlled scripts in manufacturer packaging.
I wouldn't give peptides a second thought. They are going to have to lab test it to even know what it is and even then the whole "For Research" subterfuge is in play.
 
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tul9033 said:
I had 2 seized last month and got 2 letters. My suggestion is to ignore them and don't stress over it. I've since received 5 other packages from India loaded with prescription meds. So far, the theory of me being on some list has not been true. These are full on controlled scripts in manufacturer packaging.
I wouldn't give peptides a second thought. They are going to have to lab test it to even know what it is and even then the whole "For Research" subterfuge is in play.
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*arent

Agreed. My advice (worth nothing): Ignore and don’t order to same address for a while. P.O. Boxes are cheap.
 
If you do get a PO Box, I would use your real name and info:

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 1342 - Fictitious name or address

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

Google Gemini said:
Conviction under 18 U.S.C. § 1342 can result in up to five years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000, or both.

Providing incorrect information on USPS Form 1583 (required to set up a PO box or private mailbox) can also have serious repercussions, including criminal charges, mail fraud charges, nullification of mailbox service contracts, and potential civil liabilities.
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So if you want to be paranoid, that's how the feds get you: for lying (which is ironic since the police can lie to you during questioning). One of my favorite cold case files on TV --- they knew the guy (a medical doctor) committed murder but could only get him convicted for a fake government ID.

By the way, do your Indian pharmacies require a signature on delivery? I used Reliable Rx, and they do. OTOH, they don't sell controlled substances like the ones on IndiaMart.
 
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Calm Logic said:
If you do get a PO Box, I would use your real name and info:

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 1342 - Fictitious name or address

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu



So if you want to be paranoid, that's how the feds get you: for lying (which is ironic since the police can lie to you during questioning). One of my favorite cold case files on TV --- they knew the guy (a medical doctor) committed murder but could only get him convicted for a fake government ID.

By the way, do your Indian pharmacies require a signature on delivery? I used Reliable Rx, and they do. OTOH, they don't sell controlled substances like the ones on IndiaMart.
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Only one has required a signature and ironically they are the ones getting seized. They also post this:

Using Pseudonyms (Fake Names): Think Twice!​

While you're free to use any name for your orders, we advise caution:
  1. Delivery Issues: The postal service reserves the right to reject delivery in the event that a false name is utilized, with the tracking status indicating "Unrecognized recipient".
  2. No Refunds: No refunds or returns in the event of any issues arising from the use of a false name.
Always consider the consequences and choose wisely when providing information.
 
Calm Logic said:
If you do get a PO Box, I would use your real name and info:

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 1342 - Fictitious name or address

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu



So if you want to be paranoid, that's how the feds get you: for lying (which is ironic since the police can lie to you during questioning). One of my favorite cold case files on TV --- they knew the guy (a medical doctor) committed murder but could only get him convicted for a fake government ID.

By the way, do your Indian pharmacies require a signature on delivery? I used Reliable Rx, and they do.
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I have a box at a UPS store. USPS has no say over it. If someone is really worried they can just add a business name to it. Name it after an eBay or Etsy account.
 
By a Canadian postal worker, but it makes sense to me in the US:

Best place to receive mail is at a community mail box (the brown ones at the end of streets) because they are locked, nobody can see your mail other than the postal worker and your self. Also, having packages delivered to a community mail box means no possibility for a controlled delivery so long as the package is small enough to fit (most of them are) and is not registered / signature required (those MUST be delivered to the door, along with over sized packages)
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People's biggest concern should be Canada customs. They are the ones who are specifically looking for fishy packages.

That's why 2 things:

Keep it domestic ie within Canada whenever possible.

And if you could keep it to a regular letter size, it won't be checked by customs.

Once it comes to Canada post, we couldn't care less. Just want to get it delivered
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Calm Logic said:
By a Canadian postal worker, but it makes sense to me in the US:
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I have to disagree to these as a Canadian

Best way is using FlexDelivery PO box if you really need the package to go through Canada Post, India Pharma only ship that way for instance. Otherwise, DHL is good for orders from China (as we speak, this changes often). From the US, any private carrier is good, they don't seem to be as strict.

You need to put your real info on it at the end of the day, whether you are signing it or not don't change jack shit.

What matters tho, is if you receive it or it ends up being delivered in your neighborhood community mailbox or door, then it's not a fun moment having to ring their doorbell and request it lol

So now I always put the virtual PO box address if using Canada Post. You need to show up to collect it, so in the event that they don't ship at the right pickup location, nobody gets to see what you ordered. For private courriers, I always do pickup too, again for the same reasons.

This has been the most reliable way so far, because trust me it's all fun and game until someone else than you gets your package. Especially if it contains shady things 🤣
 
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That makes sense! I have worried about the mail being misdelivered, especially since we get a new mail carrier every year almost.
 
Calm Logic said:
That makes sense! I have worried about the mail being misdelivered.
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It happened way too often for me, for real my neighbor must think I'm some type of psychotic now

I live in a street where all the apartment building are exactly the same, so it's very easy to miss deliver something one bloc away. Community mailboxes are also a mess, idk postal workers often put things in the wrong one, since one of these deserves like 10 addresses. It happens with letters too all the time
 
tul9033 said:
Only one has required a signature and ironically they are the ones getting seized.
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Is being shipped from India a red flag for seizure? Even though I ordered from an Indian pharmacy, they shipped out from other countries.

Looking in the old posts, I also found BG pharm (which does not require a signature, and they are not in India or China). The only thing I don't like about them is the $93 minimum order requirement.
 
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Texansgal said:
I received a letter of peptides being seized and that I may have an interest in them.

It gives me 4 options.

Why is this making it look like I am committing a criminal act? It was Tirz, Nad+ and BPC.

I’ve never received a letter like this before.
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Its the standard Customs and Border Protection seizure letter. Its best to choose 3, sign it, and move on. I say this instead of ignoring it since it came certified mail and you signed for it I assume. That means you legally received the notice, you can't say you never got it if they pursue the matter legally.

Just know that anything else coming through customs with your name or that address on the package is now guaranteed to be inspected every time for at least a year. So if you can get the seller to reship the order for you, needs to be a new name and new address.

Been there, done that, got the letter too....for something WAY worse that research peptides. As long as you relinquish any interest in the seized item, your done with them legally. Why you are relinquishing interest (it's not mine, I didn't order that, I don't know what that is) means nothing to them.
 
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Are the peptides being seized as collateral damage, like just in case they could be HGH, steroids, etc?

Operation stops over 70 shipments of counterfeit Human Growth Hormones and other dangerous chemicals

Securing America's Borders
www.cbp.gov

During the operation, Chicago CBP identified high-risk shipments and seized 67 shipments of Human Growth Hormones and Steroids, 3 shipments of precursor chemicals, and 1 shipment of 4-Butanediol. Most of these shipments originated from Hong Kong and were destined for different cities within the U.S. Most of the shipments were being sent under the master carton smuggling scheme. A master shipment can have several smaller preaddressed unmanifested or mis-manifested parcels which would later be sent through a domestic carrier...

The other locations participating in this operation included John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport, Port of Memphis. Port of Louisville, Port of Indianapolis, and Port of Cincinnati.
 
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Calm Logic said:
Are the peptides being seized as collateral damage, like just in case they could be HGH, steroids, etc?

Operation stops over 70 shipments of counterfeit Human Growth Hormones and other dangerous chemicals

Securing America's Borders
www.cbp.gov

During the operation, Chicago CBP identified high-risk shipments and seized 67 shipments of Human Growth Hormones and Steroids, 3 shipments of precursor chemicals, and 1 shipment of 4-Butanediol. Most of these shipments originated from Hong Kong and were destined for different cities within the U.S. Most of the shipments were being sent under the master carton smuggling scheme. A master shipment can have several smaller preaddressed unmanifested or mis-manifested parcels which would later be sent through a domestic carrier...

The other locations participating in this operation included John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport, Port of Memphis. Port of Louisville, Port of Indianapolis, and Port of Cincinnati.
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Read on discord a guy from Chicago's reta was seized and the called it hgh. They would have taken it anyway but I don't think they test every kit they're lumping it all together.
 
Contact who you bought it from and send them a copy of the letter. Many larger places will do a reship. Well they use to for other items never had tirz confiscated.
 
Airborne Daddy said:
Read on discord a guy from Chicago's reta was seized and the called it hgh. They would have taken it anyway but I don't think they test every kit they're lumping it all together.
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Like I have said elsewhere, CBP is stepping up searches. But it seems only Chicago is getting confiscated.
 
tncc_rn said:
Like I have said elsewhere, CBP is stepping up searches. But it seems only Chicago is getting confiscated.
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I had a shipment from India confiscated in New York a few weeks ago. I don’t think anywhere is immune to it. In a positive note, I look at USAJOBS a few times a week and haven’t seen any job postings for CBP yet.
 
Calm Logic said:
Are the peptides being seized as collateral damage, like just in case they could be HGH, steroids, etc?

Operation stops over 70 shipments of counterfeit Human Growth Hormones and other dangerous chemicals

Securing America's Borders
www.cbp.gov

During the operation, Chicago CBP identified high-risk shipments and seized 67 shipments of Human Growth Hormones and Steroids, 3 shipments of precursor chemicals, and 1 shipment of 4-Butanediol. Most of these shipments originated from Hong Kong and were destined for different cities within the U.S. Most of the shipments were being sent under the master carton smuggling scheme. A master shipment can have several smaller preaddressed unmanifested or mis-manifested parcels which would later be sent through a domestic carrier...

The other locations participating in this operation included John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport, Port of Memphis. Port of Louisville, Port of Indianapolis, and Port of Cincinnati.
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Peptides are on the target list too, but HGH and steroids are higher priority.
 
AndyPanda said:
I had a shipment from India confiscated in New York a few weeks ago. I don’t think anywhere is immune to it. In a positive note, I look at USAJOBS a few times a week and haven’t seen any job postings for CBP yet.
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Fair, I guess it can happen anywhere at any time.
 
AndyPanda said:
I had a shipment from India confiscated in New York a few weeks ago. I don’t think anywhere is immune to it. In a positive note, I look at USAJOBS a few times a week and haven’t seen any job postings for CBP yet.
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The initial article said an operation.... indicating its now over. They did a 3 or 4 week blitz, no more authorized overtime. Like trucking, this 2 week enforcement is brakes, this month distracted driving, etc.... noones staffed or financed to be 100% balls out all of the time. Soon vendors will be getting info on stepped up ops 2 weeks before it occurs.
 
I’ve read a lot of advice on Reddit saying just ignore the letter, they’re going to seize it regardless. I had a shipment of generic Benicar seized years ago, from an India shipment. They just advised me they had seized it in the letter and didn’t give any other options. Had many China shipments since then, no other problems (so far) or extra scrutiny. CBP doesn’t have the staff or resources to actually go after those ordering products. It’s random as hell and there is no way they’ll ever get to 50% scrutiny of the millions of packages coming in every day.
 
I have had zero issues with my suppliers, but they all have U.S. Warehouse hubs and route things through there via one shipping method, then it gets switched over to Fedex. I have read some ports are worse than others for seizure (particularly east coast ones).
 
ktg123 said:
Had a package seized in Cincinnati 2 weeks ago. Seller has reshipped.
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Received the reship. Got it in 3 business days by FedEx.
Weird thing is customs sent a letter that listed EXACTLY what was in the first package. I can only assume the shipper included that information in the package.
The package I received didn't have that information spelled out. I was able to figure out what was what, but only because I knew what had been ordered.
 
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ktg123 said:
Received the reship. Got it in 3 business days by FedEx.
Weird thing is customs sent a letter that listed EXACTLY what was in the package. I can only assume the shipper included that information in the package.
The package I received didn't have that information spelled out. I was able to figure out what was what, but only because I knew what had been ordered.
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My suppliers all ship it under the guise of something else. Graphic tees, seaweed, starfish pendant necklaces lol
 
Texansgal said:
I received a letter of peptides being seized and that I may have an interest in them.

It gives me 4 options.

Why is this making it look like I am committing a criminal act? It was Tirz, Nad+ and BPC.

I’ve never received a letter like this before.
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Hi, what did customs identify your peptides as? It should be on the previous page I think.

I had retatrutide seized end of March in Chicago but just got a letter this week through normal mail. They identified the 600 mg of Retatrutide as over 200 grams of HGH with a value over $6,300 USD.

They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims. If it was just seized as Reta I would not care as much but HGH is more serious. The end of my letter has two lines saying if you are liable for a civil penalty it will be attached or mailed shortly. Customs also sent a certified letter that I have not received yet. I am concerned they are going to try to fine or charge me in some way on these bogus claims.

I'm trying to see if other people have also had their items identified as something more serious and received a certified letter with intent to fine and what they have done. Thanks
 
Kappa said:
Hi, what did customs identify your peptides as? It should be on the previous page I think.

I had retatrutide seized end of March in Chicago but just got a letter this week through normal mail. They identified the 600 mg of Retatrutide as over 200 grams of HGH with a value over $6,300 USD.

They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims. If it was just seized as Reta I would not care as much but HGH is more serious. The end of my letter has two lines saying if you are liable for a civil penalty it will be attached or mailed shortly. Customs also sent a certified letter that I have not received yet. I am concerned they are going to try to fine or charge me in some way on these bogus claims.

I'm trying to see if other people have also had their items identified as something more serious and received a certified letter with intent to fine and what they have done. Thanks
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I understand that the uncertainty is anxiety provoking. Take a deep breath. If they were going to charge you, they likely wouldn’t send a letter. They would probably do a controlled delivery. Also, they will not charge you with anything unless they can prove you are trying to distribute. Even if it were HGH, they don’t arrest people for having HGH of Steroids for personal use.They send a thousand of those letters every day. If you would like to read some articulate descriptions of the whole process, head over to MESORX. Those cats are well versed in the legality of importing AAS and GH.

Too bad @Bacchus is not around anymore. He was well versed in the whole import/export process.
 
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Exactly.

Kappa said:
They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims. If it was just seized as Reta I would not care as much but HGH is more serious.
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The situation is hopeless (as in not getting the product) but not serious (no one is actually fined).

My guess is they just pretend the mystery powder is HGH to meet their quota or whatever.
 
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What happened to Bacchus and where did he go?

ETA: he was very knowledgeable. I'm not on here as much as I used to be to notice his absence....
 
ktg123 said:
Received the reship. Got it in 3 business days by FedEx.
Weird thing is customs sent a letter that listed EXACTLY what was in the first package. I can only assume the shipper included that information in the package.
The package I received didn't have that information spelled out. I was able to figure out what was what, but only because I knew what had been ordered.
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They have tech that can identify unknown substances.

Gemini from Thermo Scientific.
 
But, of course, they can still seize and assume what they want without doing any "examination," such as if there was "a previous shipment of the entered product from the same firm":


Evidence Required for Detention (pg. 26)

Every detention must be based upon evidence of a violation of the law(s) enforced by
FDA. This does not mean that comprehensive examinations are required as a condition
for detention, or that detention cannot be based upon very brief examinations if these are
sufficient to furnish evidence creating the appearance of a violation, or a violation.

Furthermore, it is not essential that a detention invariably be based upon examination of
a sample, as Section 801(a) of the FFDCA provides for refusal of admission if "it appears
from the examination of such samples or otherwise" that the article is violative. However,
in those cases in which detention is made without examination, there should be
substantial evidence of a documentary type, (i.e., a violation in a previous shipment of the
entered product from the same firm-see RPM subchapter 9-8 "Detention without Physical
Examination" for additional procedures) to warrant a charge of violation.

FDA can destroy drugs refused admission, without the opportunity for export, that are
valued at $2500 or less and are adulterated, misbranded, or unapproved in violation of
Section 505 of the FFDCA. The evidence supporting this determination must be collected
and documented in OASIS by the Investigations Branch for review and evaluation by the
Compliance Branch.
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Calm Logic said:
My guess is they just pretend the mystery powder is HGH to meet their quota or whatever.
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Don't assume malice when laziness explains it: my money is on them having intercepted a shipment with lots of customers' vials, they tested one, it was HGH -- boom, they're all flagged as HGH, everyone gets their kits seized and a letter. Seems more likely to me than simply making up a different substance. If they were doing that then they'd call it fent, that would get them more brownie points than HGH.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
they tested one, it was HGH -- boom, they're all flagged as HGH
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Yeah, I was heading in that direction when reading the FDA's manual just now. I just edited my post above to highlight the good part: "a previous shipment of the entered product from the same firm."

Like since SRY previously shipped HGH, then any kit from them can be assumed to be HGH.

exploitedworkerbee said:
Don't assume malice when laziness explains it:
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For customs to say that MOTS-C or whatever is HGH is malice of some form if they are stating their assumptions as fact. There are no federal regulations specifically about MOTS-C, but distribution of HGH is up to five years in prison:

The Secretary of HHS has not authorized, for example, any HGH use for anti-aging, bodybuilding, or athletic enhancement. Thus, distributing, or possessing with the intent to distribute, HGH for these uses or any other unapproved use violates section 303(e)(1) of the FD&C Act. A violation of section 303 (e)(1) carries up to 5 years imprisonment and fines and, if the offense involves an individual under 18 years of age, up to 10 years imprisonment and fines.
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But their apathy/laziness (and lack of time/resources) is mostly a good thing since it's all a wash.
 
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