Anyone else receive a Notice of Seizure via certified mail?

[jasonlovespeptides]

Received the reship. Got it in 3 business days by FedEx.
Weird thing is customs sent a letter that listed EXACTLY what was in the package. I can only assume the shipper included that information in the package.
The package I received didn't have that information spelled out. I was able to figure out what was what, but only because I knew what had been ordered.

My suppliers all ship it under the guise of something else. Graphic tees, seaweed, starfish pendant necklaces lol

 

[Kappa]

I received a letter of peptides being seized and that I may have an interest in them.

It gives me 4 options.

Why is this making it look like I am committing a criminal act? It was Tirz, Nad+ and BPC.

I’ve never received a letter like this before.

Hi, what did customs identify your peptides as? It should be on the previous page I think.

I had retatrutide seized end of March in Chicago but just got a letter this week through normal mail. They identified the 600 mg of Retatrutide as over 200 grams of HGH with a value over $6,300 USD.

They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims. If it was just seized as Reta I would not care as much but HGH is more serious. The end of my letter has two lines saying if you are liable for a civil penalty it will be attached or mailed shortly. Customs also sent a certified letter that I have not received yet. I am concerned they are going to try to fine or charge me in some way on these bogus claims.

I'm trying to see if other people have also had their items identified as something more serious and received a certified letter with intent to fine and what they have done. Thanks

 

[AndyPanda]

Hi, what did customs identify your peptides as? It should be on the previous page I think.

I had retatrutide seized end of March in Chicago but just got a letter this week through normal mail. They identified the 600 mg of Retatrutide as over 200 grams of HGH with a value over $6,300 USD.

They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims. If it was just seized as Reta I would not care as much but HGH is more serious. The end of my letter has two lines saying if you are liable for a civil penalty it will be attached or mailed shortly. Customs also sent a certified letter that I have not received yet. I am concerned they are going to try to fine or charge me in some way on these bogus claims.

I'm trying to see if other people have also had their items identified as something more serious and received a certified letter with intent to fine and what they have done. Thanks

I understand that the uncertainty is anxiety provoking. Take a deep breath. If they were going to charge you, they likely wouldn’t send a letter. They would probably do a controlled delivery. Also, they will not charge you with anything unless they can prove you are trying to distribute. Even if it were HGH, they don’t arrest people for having HGH of Steroids for personal use.They send a thousand of those letters every day. If you would like to read some articulate descriptions of the whole process, head over to MESORX. Those cats are well versed in the legality of importing AAS and GH.

Too bad @Bacchus is not around anymore. He was well versed in the whole import/export process.

 

[Calm Logic]

Exactly.

They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims. If it was just seized as Reta I would not care as much but HGH is more serious.

The situation is hopeless (as in not getting the product) but not serious (no one is actually fined).

My guess is they just pretend the mystery powder is HGH to meet their quota or whatever.

 

[G Vice]

What happened to Bacchus and where did he go?

ETA: he was very knowledgeable. I'm not on here as much as I used to be to notice his absence....

 

[brentm]

Received the reship. Got it in 3 business days by FedEx.
Weird thing is customs sent a letter that listed EXACTLY what was in the first package. I can only assume the shipper included that information in the package.
The package I received didn't have that information spelled out. I was able to figure out what was what, but only because I knew what had been ordered.

They have tech that can identify unknown substances.

Gemini from Thermo Scientific.

 

[Calm Logic]

But, of course, they can still seize and assume what they want without doing any "examination," such as if there was "a previous shipment of the entered product from the same firm":

https://www.fda.gov/media/71776/download

Evidence Required for Detention (pg. 26)

Every detention must be based upon evidence of a violation of the law(s) enforced by
FDA. This does not mean that comprehensive examinations are required as a condition
for detention, or that detention cannot be based upon very brief examinations if these are
sufficient to furnish evidence creating the appearance of a violation, or a violation.

Furthermore, it is not essential that a detention invariably be based upon examination of
a sample, as Section 801(a) of the FFDCA provides for refusal of admission if "it appears
from the examination of such samples or otherwise" that the article is violative. However,
in those cases in which detention is made without examination, there should be
substantial evidence of a documentary type, (i.e., a violation in a previous shipment of the
entered product from the same firm-see RPM subchapter 9-8 "Detention without Physical
Examination" for additional procedures) to warrant a charge of violation.

FDA can destroy drugs refused admission, without the opportunity for export, that are
valued at $2500 or less and are adulterated, misbranded, or unapproved in violation of
Section 505 of the FFDCA. The evidence supporting this determination must be collected
and documented in OASIS by the Investigations Branch for review and evaluation by the
Compliance Branch.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

My guess is they just pretend the mystery powder is HGH to meet their quota or whatever.

Don't assume malice when laziness explains it: my money is on them having intercepted a shipment with lots of customers' vials, they tested one, it was HGH -- boom, they're all flagged as HGH, everyone gets their kits seized and a letter. Seems more likely to me than simply making up a different substance. If they were doing that then they'd call it fent, that would get them more brownie points than HGH.

 

[Calm Logic]

they tested one, it was HGH -- boom, they're all flagged as HGH

Yeah, I was heading in that direction when reading the FDA's manual just now. I just edited my post above to highlight the good part: "a previous shipment of the entered product from the same firm."

Like since SRY previously shipped HGH, then any kit from them can be assumed to be HGH.

Don't assume malice when laziness explains it:

For customs to say that MOTS-C or whatever is HGH is malice of some form if they are stating their assumptions as fact. There are no federal regulations specifically about MOTS-C, but distribution of HGH is up to five years in prison:

The Secretary of HHS has not authorized, for example, any HGH use for anti-aging, bodybuilding, or athletic enhancement. Thus, distributing, or possessing with the intent to distribute, HGH for these uses or any other unapproved use violates section 303(e)(1) of the FD&C Act. A violation of section 303 (e)(1) carries up to 5 years imprisonment and fines and, if the offense involves an individual under 18 years of age, up to 10 years imprisonment and fines.

But their apathy/laziness (and lack of time/resources) is mostly a good thing since it's all a wash.

 

[Calm Logic]

They apparently don't care about flat out lying or making any attempt to verify their own claims.

Even though nothing will happen, I would only use domestic vendors in the future for reta to avoid future stress/seizure.

 

[Ted R]

At this point, the money I would save from going CN direct isn't worth the stress and hassle of the current customs situation.

 

[Calm Logic]

Here's what you do: completely ignore that letter and continue with your life.

As to why that is a good idea:

https://www.justanswer.com/law/bmnru-received-letter-us-customs-border-protection.html

Abandoning this is your best option. However, although the form makes it look as though you MUST select an option and return it, you don't have to do anything at all. You can just ignore the letter you were sent. If you do nothing, as you can see, they will eventually forfeit and confiscate the contraband anyway.

If you fill out the election form and select abandonment, then you are taking a proprietary interest in the property and agreeing to forfeiture. In other words, you are essentially saying, "Yes. This is my property, but I am abandoning it."

Since anything you say can be used against you, you have the right under the 5th Amendment not to give evidence against yourself. The government cannot come after you just for your failure to fill out the form and you are never required to give evidence against yourself. So even though the form says you must elect a remedy, you can do nothing at all and get the same results as an abandonment.

 

[Calm Logic]

This is also reassuring:

Here is 2 cents nobody asked for… I am retired Law Enforcement (circa 2021). I don’t know about small agencies that have little to do, but I cannot fathom a busy agency wasting resources to come after people like us. I can already hear a prosecutor asking “why are you bringing me this?” I assure you places like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Atlanta have more pressing matters.

No one cares unless ur reselling and making a few hundred grand.... then there will be action taken cuz uncle Sam didn't get his cut so they'll take ur assets and bank account.