ASC tirz and sema quality?

[scarywood75]

There's a nuance to be made, the molecular structure of Tirzepatide is public, not the manufacturing process, reagents, sequence, etc.

These are very important to know, because chemistry is not as simple as it seems, remember that there's billions in R&D spent just to figure this out.

 

[penewbie]

There's a nuance to be made, the molecular structure of Tirzepatide is public, not the manufacturing process, reagents, sequence, etc.

These are very important to know, because chemistry is not as simple as it seems, remember that there's billions in R&D spent just to figure this out.

That's false.

The entire process is laid out from A to Z.

I'll look for it later if no one beats me to it.

 

[scarywood75]

Think of it like having the ingredients of pre-made muffins without having the quantity for each and manufacturing steps. Yes you could reproduce it, but finding the proper ratio of ingredients and method of manufacturing takes time and it's never gonna be like the original.

 

[scarywood75]

That's false.

The entire process is laid out from A to Z.

I'll look for it later if no one beats me to it.

No, it's protected under a patent, this is not just a legal paper, there's actual info that are not divulged

 

[penewbie]

Think of it like having the ingredients of pre-made muffins without having the quantity for each and manufacturing steps. Yes you could reproduce it, but finding the proper ratio of ingredients and method of manufacturing takes time and it's never gonna be like the original.

I already told you it's false, stop doubling down lol.

 

[scarywood75]

I already told you it's false, stop doubling down lol.

Show it to me then

 

[penewbie]

Show it to me then

Have some patience.

 

[scarywood75]

You really think they'll spending billions without even protecting their R&D? Some information is public, but trust me only things strictly necessary by law. They don't want others to be able to reproduce it and not just from a legal standpoint.

 

[penewbie]

You really think they'll spending billions without even protecting their R&D? Some information is public, but trust me only things strictly necessary by law. They don't want others to be able to reproduce it and not just from a legal standpoint.

Tripling down, lol.

I think at this point you so heavily invested, no amount of proof could even convince you otherwise.

Only time will tell.

 

[scarywood75]

Tripling down, lol.

I think at this point you so heavily invested, no amount of proof could even convince you otherwise.

Only time will tell.

Not true at all, I don't know everything about this and it's possible I'm wrong, this is what I found doing extensive research.

If you think you're right go ahead and provide some proof and if they are valid I of course would be wrong here.

I'm not close minded lol

 

[keangkong]

That's false.

The entire process is laid out from A to Z.

I'll look for it later if no one beats me to it.

I have no idea who is right. I do know that manufacturing (as opposed to reconstituting) tirzepatide is beyond the abilities of this ape.

 

[keangkong]

There's a nuance to be made, the molecular structure of Tirzepatide is public, not the manufacturing process, reagents, sequence, etc.

These are very important to know, because chemistry is not as simple as it seems, remember that there's billions in R&D spent just to figure this out.

Unless you're questioning Janoshik, it seems that many Chinese folks have figured out how to create the tirzepatide molecule. I'm confident that if Janoshik was wrong on this, Eli Lilly would have said so publicly and we would have heard about it. I do not claim that the reconstituted liquid that one gets is 100% the same as made by Eli Lilly. As Heraclitus said, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."

 

[scarywood75]

Unless you're questioning Janoshik, it seems that many Chinese folks have figured out how to create the tirzepatide molecule. I'm confident that if Janoshik was wrong on this, Eli Lilly would have said so publicly and we would have heard about it. I do not claim that the reconstituted liquid that one gets is 100% the same as made by Eli Lilly. As Heraclitus said, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."

Right, no I'm saying that the manufacturers producing the raws for Elli Lilly are probably the same our Chinese vendors are using, or the full recipe leaked somehow.

 

[scarywood75]

Unless you're questioning Janoshik, it seems that many Chinese folks have figured out how to create the tirzepatide molecule. I'm confident that if Janoshik was wrong on this, Eli Lilly would have said so publicly and we would have heard about it. I do not claim that the reconstituted liquid that one gets is 100% the same as made by Eli Lilly. As Heraclitus said, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."

We have even less info for retatrutide as it's not even FDA approved and yet we can buy it.

Some vendors said the raw dropped price recently, which is why we have some cheaper price. This is expected as they are refining the manufacturing process.

What I don't get is, there's a lot of stick and Elli does not need as much at the moment for sure. So how are they producing way more than the needed quantity and why is Elli not doing anything to stop that?

Or maybe other labs were able to do it, but again this stuff is complicated, it needed years of R&D to find and refine the synthetic process.

These are just open thoughts, cuz I'm curious about it and it sucks not to know lol

 

[penewbie]

Ultimately these aren't super complicated molecules to manufacture. It's just an amino acid sequence with a few modified amino acids.

The R&D is finding the right sequence, and running huge trials on it. (and all the failed sequences),

 

[scarywood75]

To give y'all an idea on how hard this is, the main chain of Retatrutide is composed of 39 individual amino acids linked together.

For comparison, watch NileRed's videos on YouTube where he converts Styrene into Cinnamaldrhyde and how much work that is.

Cinnamaldrhyde is about 1/36 the molecular mass of Retatrutide, this means it's 36 times more complex than Cinnamaldrhyde which to me looks incredibly complexe already

 

[scarywood75]

Ultimately these aren't super complicated molecules to manufacture. It's just an amino acid sequence with a few modified amino acids.

The R&D is finding the right sequence, and running huge trials on it. (and all the failed sequences),

Yeah I guess it seems more complex to me as I'm not a chemist

 

[keangkong]

We have even less info for retatrutide as it's not even FDA approved and yet we can buy it.

Some vendors said the raw dropped price recently, which is why we have some cheaper price. This is expected as they are refining the manufacturing process.

What I don't get is, there's a lot of stick and Elli does not need as much at the moment for sure. So how are they producing way more than the needed quantity and why is Elli not doing anything to stop that?

Or maybe other labs were able to do it, but again this stuff is complicated, it needed years of R&D to find and refine the synthetic process.

These are just open thoughts, cuz I'm curious about it and it sucks not to know lol

I believe China will engage in half-hearted attempts to combat the manufacture of retatrutide and tirzepatide. And the US, which only has limited influence on what China will do, cares more about stopping fentanyl, fentanyl precursors, and similar products. As a result, the US might ask China to stop the sale of retatrutide. Then China will accurately describe the inadequate efforts that it's taking. Despite what you might see on TV, multinational corporations don't rule the world. Eli Lilly is powerful. But it's not all powerful. A 503A compounding pharmacy in the US is far more worried about state regulators than it is about Eli Lilly, which doesn't possess the same legal authority as the regulators.