ASC tirz and sema quality?

brentm said:
Test it...

ASC is not a manufacturer. I've seen evidence that some of these vendors are all sourcing from the same shadow manufacturer.

They're just sales people cosplaying to be cute asian girls who run a chemical manufacturing plant.

New label to obfuscate themselves from the last run of "10 vails/kit" (sic) where it was quite obvious that all these sales people are just hawking the same guy's wares.

Run a vial and see how it feels. It's probably fine.
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If at least they could include pictures of some cute Asian girls in the box...
 
I also bought angel’s 60mg tirz. She said they have sent a sample to janoshik for testing.

Hopefully I’ll get it by mid Jan 2025 and report back to you guys here about the quality and feels etc.
 
penewbie said:
Here you go, anyone with a large highly advanced peptide synthesis and chemical lab can follow these steps and manufacture 10 kilos of Tirzepatide:


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A patent does not contain all the info to synthesize a pharmaceutical, that's just fact. Look it up if you don't trust me.

Now you can of course guess some of it, but the actual manufacturing document that's sent to authorities and manufacturers is like 10 times bigger than that.

I've included a document from scite.ai with references that talks in details as to why a patent is not enough and what's usually missing from it.

If we go back to the beginning, this is why I think not a lot of manufacturers produce it, because nobody unless authorised should have the full recipe unless it leaked and finding the missing bits would cost a fortune in R&D.
 

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penewbie said:
Fucking called it, too predictable lol.
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Lol what, you provided a patent, where does it says that it's the entire manufacturing process from A to Z? You gave me a public patent that contains like 100 pages ,what exactly in that says that it's the full recipe?

I provided proof for you that a patent is NOT the full recipe.

You proved nothing dude
 
scarywood75 said:
Lol what, you provided a patent, where does it says that it's the entire manufacturing process from A to Z? You gave me a public patent that contains like 100 pages ,what exactly in that says that it's the full recipe?

I provided proof for you that a patent is NOT the full recipe.

You proved nothing dude
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Too. Predictable.
 
There's not much else I can say, it's not true that we have the full recipe from a patent, that's not the principle of a patent
 

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scarywood75 said:
If we go back to the beginning, this is why I think not a lot of manufacturers produce it, because nobody unless authorised should have the full recipe unless it leaked and finding the missing bits would cost a fortune in R&D.
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Why would China spend a fortune on R&D to replace missing bits? They've been breaking into systems and stealing intellectual property on a massive scale for decades.
 
scarywood75 said:
Yeah, stolen property is definitely one possible explanation
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It's been well-known that this has been happening on a massive scale since Mandiant's report on APT1.

Bribes work well too... Employees on the inside are willing to trade secrets for money. There's lots of ways to get secrets that don't include actually doing the heavy lifting.
 
brentm said:
It's been well-known that this has been happening on a massive scale since Mandiant's report on APT1.

Bribes work well too... Employees on the inside are willing to trade secrets for money. There's lots of ways to get secrets that don't include actually doing the heavy lifting.
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Right, but even with the full process I don't think your average joe vendor can reliably reproduce it.

To me the most likely is actual manufacturers selling to our underground labs in secret on the side.

It's been seen a few times where manufacturer would often sell counterfeit products that are from their own clients to other clients to make more money
 
scarywood75 said:
Right, but even with the full process I don't think your average joe vendor can reliably reproduce it.

To me the most likely is actual manufacturers selling to our underground labs in secret on the side.

It's been seen a few times where manufacturer would often sell counterfeit products that are from their own clients to other clients to make more money
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Why would actual manufacturers sell to underground labs when they can sell to retail in America though?

Also I think the differences between the acetate version (genuine) and the salt version (gray) prove it's not genuine.

I don't think the vendor producing it is "average". And there are also producers that manufacture for human grade which gets compounded. So the cats out of the bag....

Generally patents are only worth what companies are willing to spend defending them. I'd imagine the patent is enough of a recipe for Chinese chemists to reproduce the drugs so long as they're experienced in that field. Who knows... maybe they poached chemists from 'actual manufacturers'.

Whoever it is, they're pretty well hidden in plain sight.
 
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