Bad experience with Amo

PrimroseHill

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I'm an experienced sema buyer. Previously bought from xce, got screwed over by HT (refunded, thankfully), then ordered from Amo. First Amo order of S10 was perfect. Second order (S10) received in December is garbage. Even doubling the dose there is zero effect. I still had some of my first order left, so tried that again and it worked perfectly, so it's not me. I tried a second vial from the new order a week later. Also bunk.

I contacted Binh. Gave him the serial/reference number and sent photos. Offered to pay postage to return my order to him for a replacement. It's not exactly a big order (£130 inc. shipping). He flat out refused to replace. I know you have to go back and forth with these guys to get them to do anything, but he refused. Told me he 'trusted' his supplier. I asked for copies of independent testing, he refused. Told me to pay for my own test.

I have to admit I was surprised at this reaction as I've only heard good things about them so far, plus I was a repeat customer.

I've done a chargeback so I'm not out any money. Sharing this so it's on record in case anyone else has issues with Amo.

(I'm still learning how to use the new Peppys, but will try and post this there, too).
 
keangkong said:
I believe it's standard practice at most vendors to deny refunds when a buyer claims not to feel any effect from the medication.
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I asked for a replacement and offered to pay shipping, which is pretty standard in my experience.

chmuse said:
I'd honestly get it tested. If amo was hit by zero peps I'd want to know- as of right now a lot of us suspect they're manufacturers, and that would be important information.
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For sure. I'm a small time buyer tho, rarely spend more than £260/year. Happy to post it to someone if they want to get it tested.

Hopefully I'm an outlier and just had a bad batch but at least it's out there if anyone else does have issues.
 
chmuse said:
I'd honestly get it tested. If amo was hit by zero peps I'd want to know- as of right now a lot of us suspect they're manufacturers, and that would be important information.
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My own pet theory is that none of the vendors we deal with are manufacturers. They purchase the vials with the stuff already in it.
 
I dunno... seems pretty reasonable to not offer a refund if all you have are "feelz".

Someone on TG may have tested that batch. Amo gets tested a ton, and I haven't heard of any bad batches from them recently.

keangkong said:
My own pet theory is that none of the vendors we deal with are manufacturers. They purchase the vials with the stuff already in it.
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It may be true with Amo, considering their powder is different from every other vendor.
 
keangkong said:
My own pet theory is that none of the vendors we deal with are manufacturers. They purchase the vials with the stuff already in it.
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I think there are probably a few finishers (what I think amolist most likely is) and maybe one or more of them supplies to us, but most probably are more b2b and sell the vials in bulk to the people who then sell to us. Some of whom may be buying in bulk from more than one finisher, which is why the same batch can have more than one color cap (ala QSC)

Then there's the question of how many raw manufacturers there are- I think I've seen the number 4 thrown around a bunch.

I'm nosy so I want to know who is who, but the obfuscation is a necessary evil to keep the grey market around and not taken down.
 
mopo89 said:
I dunno... seems pretty reasonable to not offer a refund if all you have are "feelz".

Someone on TG may have tested that batch. Amo gets tested a ton, and I haven't heard of any bad batches from them recently.


It may be true with Amo, considering their powder is different from every other vendor.
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Do you know where I could go to see/join in on Amo tests? If the GB I just joined because amo was down doesn't work out they're my next choice.
 
mopo89 said:
I dunno... seems pretty reasonable to not offer a refund if all you have are "feelz".

Someone on TG may have tested that batch. Amo gets tested a ton, and I haven't heard of any bad batches from them recently.


It may be true with Amo, considering their powder is different from every other vendor.
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I have 2 of their r20 kits from like about 2 months ago. Anyone know if those got tested? Just curious. Haven’t tried it yet
 
I've only made one purchase with Amo and it went well. Just curious, have we heard of any failed tests for their products?
 
chmuse said:
Do you know where I could go to see/join in on Amo tests? If the GB I just joined because amo was down doesn't work out they're my next choice.
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I once joined a TG that had a bunch of Amo tests... I think I got the link from tirzhelp? But I have since left all TG groups because they're too chaotic for me, so I can't remember, I'm sorry! Lately I've just been checking the swiss for all my updates and amo hasn't popped up lately.
 
Thanks for sharing about your experience @PrimroseHill .

"Told me he 'trusted' his supplier. I asked for copies of independent testing, he refused." - Unfortunate to be treated with that attitude. Do you have a link to any of the supplier-provided testing?

It seems that testing from the customer side is the only way to be certain of the product's base quality, for sake of receiving a replacement/refund from a vendor. Or for providing the public with definitive information for harm reduction.

May you share with us any details about the batch of Semaglutide that has you feeling concerned? IE milligram amount, cap colors/style, what type of box or container it came in?
 
Honestly it was extremely unreasonable for you to do the chargeback thing, especially based on your "feels". You do realize that's how payment options get ruined for other customers, right? Not many vendors will accept Paypal and the stunt you pulled is 100% why they won't. Too many people stiffing vendors by keeping product and stopping payment. Bottom line: if you think your batch isn't working, you need to be a big kid and pay out of pocket for Jano to test a vial. If it's bunk, show the test and ask for the vendor to make it right. If it tests good, then the problem is with you. Super uncool the way you handled this.
 
geoguy78 said:
Honestly it was extremely unreasonable for you to do the chargeback thing, especially based on your "feels". You do realize that's how payment options get ruined for other customers, right? Not many vendors will accept Paypal and the stunt you pulled is 100% why they won't. Too many people stiffing vendors by keeping product and stopping payment. Bottom line: if you think your batch isn't working, you need to be a big kid and pay out of pocket for Jano to test a vial. If it's bunk, show the test and ask for the vendor to make it right. If it tests good, then the problem is with you. Super uncool the way you handled this.
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I've shared the info in case anyone else has problems. No one needs your coolness approval to get their money back if they're scammed.

Hopefully no one else has issues, but the info is out there if they do.
 
PrimroseHill said:
I've shared the info in case anyone else has problems. No one needs your coolness approval to get their money back if they're scammed.

Hopefully no one else has issues, but the info is out there if they do.
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I hope no one else has the issue of being a whiny bitch too.
 
PrimroseHill said:
I've shared the info in case anyone else has problems. No one needs your coolness approval to get their money back if they're scammed.

Hopefully no one else has issues, but the info is out there if they do.
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It's not about my "coolness approval". It's about you potentially screwing over thousands of happy customers because of your inability to be rational and conduct yourself in a proper manner. Like it or not, you're in the wrong here.
 
geoguy78 said:
It's not about my "coolness approval". It's about you potentially screwing over thousands of happy customers because of your inability to be rational and conduct yourself in a proper manner. Like it or not, you're in the wrong here.
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Amo's product will define their success, as it should.
 
geoguy78 said:
Honestly it was extremely unreasonable for you to do the chargeback thing, especially based on your "feels". You do realize that's how payment options get ruined for other customers, right? Not many vendors will accept Paypal and the stunt you pulled is 100% why they won't. Too many people stiffing vendors by keeping product and stopping payment. Bottom line: if you think your batch isn't working, you need to be a big kid and pay out of pocket for Jano to test a vial. If it's bunk, show the test and ask for the vendor to make it right. If it tests good, then the problem is with you. Super uncool the way you handled this.
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I was either too polite (or too wimpy) to say what you did. I hate telling people that their personal perceptions of how a medicine is working don't say much about what they actually received; that comes off as an insult. However, I don't intend an insult: I believe that's true of everyone. To me the most objectionable thing about Amo in PrimroseHill's post was that Amo either didn't have its own test results or wasn't willing to supply them to a skeptical user. Although that's not ideal, I can go to the Stairway to Gray Telegram site and read countless 3d party tests showing that Amo's stuff is as described. I also note that dionysos's list of vendors gives good marks to Amo. Amo did have a thing with some folks experiencing stinging. That seems to me like it was real, although many folks didn't experience that. I heard from at least one person that Amo used to sometimes underfill their vials.
 
keangkong said:
I was either too polite (or too wimpy) to say what you did. I hate telling people that their personal perceptions of how a medicine is working don't say much about what they actually received; that comes off as an insult. However, I don't intend an insult: I believe that's true of everyone. To me the most objectionable thing about Amo in PrimroseHill's post was that Amo either didn't have its own test results or wasn't willing to supply them to a skeptical user. Although that's not ideal, I can go to the Stairway to Gray Telegram site and read countless 3d party tests showing that Amo's stuff is as described. I also note that dionysos's list of vendors gives good marks to Amo. Amo did have a thing with some folks experiencing stinging. That seems to me like it was real, although many folks didn't experience that. I heard from at least one person that Amo used to sometimes underfill their vials.
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Amo definitely isn't perfect. They don't even bother sending their own vials off to Jano, and they took too long sorting out the stinging bit. I have a relative that finally cracked open a batch from last spring that ended up stinging, and Binh is blowing them off. I'm not here to defend Amo at all, but @PrimroseHill is openly admitting to ripping Amo off unless they have a legit third party test to back up their (in my opinion) extreme action of initiating a charge back.
 
geoguy78 said:
Amo definitely isn't perfect. They don't even bother sending their own vials off to Jano, and they took too long sorting out the stinging bit. I have a relative that finally cracked open a batch from last spring that ended up stinging, and Binh is blowing them off. I'm not here to defend Amo at all, but @PrimroseHill is openly admitting to ripping Amo off unless they have a legit third party test to back up their (in my opinion) extreme action of initiating a charge back.
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As to your complaints against Amo, they seem to be the types of complaints that apply to all of the vendors except to a few overpriced vendors such Skye. Are there reasonably priced vendors who provide a better product or back it better than Amo?
 
geoguy78 said:
Amo definitely isn't perfect. They don't even bother sending their own vials off to Jano, and they took too long sorting out the stinging bit. I have a relative that finally cracked open a batch from last spring that ended up stinging, and Binh is blowing them off. I'm not here to defend Amo at all, but @PrimroseHill is openly admitting to ripping Amo off unless they have a legit third party test to back up their (in my opinion) extreme action of initiating a charge back.
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Agreed. I don't like that Amo doesn't test the product (or if they do, they don't provide their COAs). But people ordering from them *should* know that. If this batch of sema was tested and it came back underdosed or underfilled, and Amo wasn't reshipping a new batch, I'd have a problem with that. But having no third party testing to backup a claim of bad product and then doing a chargeback based on absolutely nothing doesn't sit right with me.
 
geoguy78 said:
People stealing from them isn't going to help them succeed. Without a test to back your actions, you're a thief.
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They bought it untested. If you don't like that, get it tested yourself or join a group test, or buy from someone who DOES test. Pinning something without a test is reckless.

Doing a chargeback without having evidence yourself is just screwing other buyers without any proof yourself that something is wrong, other than feels, which isn't really concrete evidence.

Poor phrasing because I replied to you instead of OP by mistake but my point stands
 
chmuse said:
I'd honestly get it tested. If amo was hit by zero peps I'd want to know- as of right now a lot of us suspect they're manufacturers, and that would be important information.
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Test costs more than the order.

I'd just order from a different vendor, such as PGB.
 
brentm said:
Test costs more than the order.

I'd just order from a different vendor, such as PGB.
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Still cheaper than compound by far. But that's also a very fair point. If it was me I'd be testing it- but that's more for curiosity sake than anything, since there's the chance they don't reimburse for the test.
 
chmuse said:
Still cheaper than compound by far. But that's also a very fair point. If it was me I'd be testing it- but that's more for curiosity sake than anything, since there's the chance they don't reimburse for the test.
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I mean, it's SEMA.

Double the dose and no feels? I wouldn't need a test to tell me it was part of the zero pep drama. But usually, there's a test to be found from someone in the buyer pool.
 
Panda King said:
I've only made one purchase with Amo and it went well. Just curious, have we heard of any failed tests for their products?
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As far as I’ve seen their tests have all
Come back good though I take tirz so that’s what I’ve been paying attention to if anything was coming back junk people would be screaming about it
 
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