Bad experience with Amo

[geoguy78]

Amo's product will define their success, as it should.

People stealing from them isn't going to help them succeed. Without a test to back your actions, you're a thief.

 

[keangkong]

Honestly it was extremely unreasonable for you to do the chargeback thing, especially based on your "feels". You do realize that's how payment options get ruined for other customers, right? Not many vendors will accept Paypal and the stunt you pulled is 100% why they won't. Too many people stiffing vendors by keeping product and stopping payment. Bottom line: if you think your batch isn't working, you need to be a big kid and pay out of pocket for Jano to test a vial. If it's bunk, show the test and ask for the vendor to make it right. If it tests good, then the problem is with you. Super uncool the way you handled this.

I was either too polite (or too wimpy) to say what you did. I hate telling people that their personal perceptions of how a medicine is working don't say much about what they actually received; that comes off as an insult. However, I don't intend an insult: I believe that's true of everyone. To me the most objectionable thing about Amo in PrimroseHill's post was that Amo either didn't have its own test results or wasn't willing to supply them to a skeptical user. Although that's not ideal, I can go to the Stairway to Gray Telegram site and read countless 3d party tests showing that Amo's stuff is as described. I also note that dionysos's list of vendors gives good marks to Amo. Amo did have a thing with some folks experiencing stinging. That seems to me like it was real, although many folks didn't experience that. I heard from at least one person that Amo used to sometimes underfill their vials.

 

[geoguy78]

I was either too polite (or too wimpy) to say what you did. I hate telling people that their personal perceptions of how a medicine is working don't say much about what they actually received; that comes off as an insult. However, I don't intend an insult: I believe that's true of everyone. To me the most objectionable thing about Amo in PrimroseHill's post was that Amo either didn't have its own test results or wasn't willing to supply them to a skeptical user. Although that's not ideal, I can go to the Stairway to Gray Telegram site and read countless 3d party tests showing that Amo's stuff is as described. I also note that dionysos's list of vendors gives good marks to Amo. Amo did have a thing with some folks experiencing stinging. That seems to me like it was real, although many folks didn't experience that. I heard from at least one person that Amo used to sometimes underfill their vials.

Amo definitely isn't perfect. They don't even bother sending their own vials off to Jano, and they took too long sorting out the stinging bit. I have a relative that finally cracked open a batch from last spring that ended up stinging, and Binh is blowing them off. I'm not here to defend Amo at all, but @PrimroseHill is openly admitting to ripping Amo off unless they have a legit third party test to back up their (in my opinion) extreme action of initiating a charge back.

 

[keangkong]

Amo definitely isn't perfect. They don't even bother sending their own vials off to Jano, and they took too long sorting out the stinging bit. I have a relative that finally cracked open a batch from last spring that ended up stinging, and Binh is blowing them off. I'm not here to defend Amo at all, but @PrimroseHill is openly admitting to ripping Amo off unless they have a legit third party test to back up their (in my opinion) extreme action of initiating a charge back.

As to your complaints against Amo, they seem to be the types of complaints that apply to all of the vendors except to a few overpriced vendors such Skye. Are there reasonably priced vendors who provide a better product or back it better than Amo?

 

[mopo89]

Amo definitely isn't perfect. They don't even bother sending their own vials off to Jano, and they took too long sorting out the stinging bit. I have a relative that finally cracked open a batch from last spring that ended up stinging, and Binh is blowing them off. I'm not here to defend Amo at all, but @PrimroseHill is openly admitting to ripping Amo off unless they have a legit third party test to back up their (in my opinion) extreme action of initiating a charge back.

Agreed. I don't like that Amo doesn't test the product (or if they do, they don't provide their COAs). But people ordering from them *should* know that. If this batch of sema was tested and it came back underdosed or underfilled, and Amo wasn't reshipping a new batch, I'd have a problem with that. But having no third party testing to backup a claim of bad product and then doing a chargeback based on absolutely nothing doesn't sit right with me.

 

[chmuse]

People stealing from them isn't going to help them succeed. Without a test to back your actions, you're a thief.

They bought it untested. If you don't like that, get it tested yourself or join a group test, or buy from someone who DOES test. Pinning something without a test is reckless.

Doing a chargeback without having evidence yourself is just screwing other buyers without any proof yourself that something is wrong, other than feels, which isn't really concrete evidence.

Poor phrasing because I replied to you instead of OP by mistake but my point stands

 

[brentm]

I'd honestly get it tested. If amo was hit by zero peps I'd want to know- as of right now a lot of us suspect they're manufacturers, and that would be important information.

Test costs more than the order.

I'd just order from a different vendor, such as PGB.

 

[chmuse]

Test costs more than the order.

I'd just order from a different vendor, such as PGB.

Still cheaper than compound by far. But that's also a very fair point. If it was me I'd be testing it- but that's more for curiosity sake than anything, since there's the chance they don't reimburse for the test.

 

[brentm]

Still cheaper than compound by far. But that's also a very fair point. If it was me I'd be testing it- but that's more for curiosity sake than anything, since there's the chance they don't reimburse for the test.

I mean, it's SEMA.

Double the dose and no feels? I wouldn't need a test to tell me it was part of the zero pep drama. But usually, there's a test to be found from someone in the buyer pool.

 

[Goreandglitter]

I've only made one purchase with Amo and it went well. Just curious, have we heard of any failed tests for their products?

As far as I’ve seen their tests have all
Come back good though I take tirz so that’s what I’ve been paying attention to if anything was coming back junk people would be screaming about it

 

[Goreandglitter]

I’ve never heard of anyone refunding based on feels. You would have to get it tested. Thus far all the tests I’ve seen for amo have been good but things can always change.

 

[chmuse]

I mean, it's SEMA.

Double the dose and no feels? I wouldn't need a test to tell me it was part of the zero pep drama. But usually, there's a test to be found from someone in the buyer pool.

Don't talk bad about my dear darling sema!

For me it would be more that I'd want proof they were part of the zero peps nonsense before calling them out publicly. Just to make sure I'm not the problem.

 

[keangkong]

Don't talk bad about my dear darling sema!

For me it would be more that I'd want proof they were part of the zero peps nonsense before calling them out publicly. Just to make sure I'm not the problem.

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If it wasn't for tirzepatide and retatrutide, folks here would be saying great things about semaglutide.

 

[geoguy78]

I mean, it's SEMA.

Double the dose and no feels? I wouldn't need a test to tell me it was part of the zero pep drama. But usually, there's a test to be found from someone in the buyer pool.

This is the first time I've seen someone claim that they suspect Amo of selling zero peps. Amo has been "batch numbering" their kits, and people on Stairway to Gray have been testing Amo like crazy. There's a strong probability that @PrimroseHill could find a test result for their batch out there, if they bothered to put in the effort.

 

[nonyabizznez]

So many of these "warnings" make me want to order from the accused vendor. Imagine if the credit card company needed evidence and the disputer did some research. In the case of AMO there's countless public tests that would convince the researcher with their buyers remorse pursuing a freebie that their feelz are unique to themselves. Just spend a minute in the Stairway and look at the spreadsheet under "Test Results, No Discussion." The irony is these people just tested because they knew when ordering testing was up to them. Not because they expected some 'use our product for 30 days and send back the empty vials for a full refund" infomercial guarantee.

If a buyer isn't willing to have their product tested than buy from a source or group who's testing you might find confidence in. AMO didn't even post testing on their website as enticement to purchase. They don't have to. For many just having a website and amicable payment options beats testing. I know for my first CN order it did. My batch stung a bit but provided the best glucose readings to date and that includes script Mounjaro, Nexa, QSC, SRY and more. Why? I don't know, didn't get it tested.

 

[JohnnyGobbs]

Quad dose and slam sir

 

[Peevee]

Why wouldn’t you test it or get a group together to spread the cost out? Plenty of people would throw in on that. I would.

I haven’t checked in for awhile but krysia on the Swiss seems to think amo may actually manufacture. Unless I misread

 

[zpped]

Claims of lack of "feels" without a test are worthless. Test or GTFO

 

[keangkong]

Why wouldn’t you test it or get a group together to spread the cost out? Plenty of people would throw in on that. I would.

I haven’t checked in for awhile but krysia on the Swiss seems to think amo may actually manufacture. Unless I misread

Everyone is speculating. However, krysia's speculations are more likely to be right than the speculation of anyone else I can think of.

 

[clayd]

I'm an experienced sema buyer. Previously bought from xce, got screwed over by HT (refunded, thankfully), then ordered from Amo. First Amo order of S10 was perfect. Second order (S10) received in December is garbage. Even doubling the dose there is zero effect. I still had some of my first order left, so tried that again and it worked perfectly, so it's not me. I tried a second vial from the new order a week later. Also bunk.

I contacted Binh. Gave him the serial/reference number and sent photos. Offered to pay postage to return my order to him for a replacement. It's not exactly a big order (£130 inc. shipping). He flat out refused to replace. I know you have to go back and forth with these guys to get them to do anything, but he refused. Told me he 'trusted' his supplier. I asked for copies of independent testing, he refused. Told me to pay for my own test.

I have to admit I was surprised at this reaction as I've only heard good things about them so far, plus I was a repeat customer.

I've done a chargeback so I'm not out any money. Sharing this so it's on record in case anyone else has issues with Amo.

(I'm still learning how to use the new Peppys, but will try and post this there, too).

what color are the vial tops?