Best pep for building muscle and definition

AndyPanda said:
What I have been reading leads me to believe that Winstrol is what will get you shredded, but is a steroid so it depends on your risk level. I don’t think a peptide exists that will make anyone look like their skin has been vacuum sealed on their body.
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Yeah, the aesthetic effects of winstrol are massive. It's super standard in bodybuilder contest prep cycles.
 
hexagonal said:
"This showed quite clearly there was no effect on weight"

Read the article. It is conclusive that it does nothing in humans. The receptor it relies on just doesn't work the same. There is no method of action.

I didn't ignore the fact that you were breaking PRs - I explicitly discussed them as being almost certainly a placebo effect. How am I "utterly ignoring" something I explicitly talk about?

Secretagogues do not cause a strength increase like that. Higher quantities of exogenous HGH that result in significantly higher IGF-1 levels do not cause a strength increase like that. We understand the mechanisms around HGH increasing muscle mass over time, we understand the CNS effects of steroids that cause acute strength increase, and we understand that there is not overlap there. Gym performance depends on a huge variety of factors, and just thinking you're on drugs that can increase you performance will increase your performance. The placebo effect is as real there as it is anywhere else.
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You know a lot more about this than I do.

Lets leave it at that.
 
hexagonal said:
AOD doesn't do anything. Mechanism of action that it works on in rodent studies does not exist in humans. Even the lead researcher that worked for the company that was developing the drug and ran their clinical trials has said this.

I also can't imagine a worldview where someone feels safer taking drugs with zero human studies like SLU-PP-332 or a mitochondrial uncoupler like BAM15 than HGH or AAS. There are AAS forums where discussion of uncouplers is banned because of how dangerous they are - places where people regularly run multiple grams of AAS per week.

I don't mean to be rude, but your improved gym performance on secreteagogues is almost certainly from your mental state rather than anything chemical from them, too. Even higher dose HGH is a long term thing - muscle mass increases from HGH alone is quite minimal without the feedback loops from AAS usage, and primarily functions based on satellite cell proliferation. These aren't short term impacts and HGH lacks the CNS adaptations that some AAS have that allows for short term rapid strength growth.
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This guy gets it
 
noggin said:
It's actually super fucked from a legal standpoint because of how it's classified under FDA's Food, Drugs, and Cosmetic Act (As opposed to the Controlled Substances Act). Whereas possession of fentanyl could get you up to a year behind bars due to schedule 1 status, possession of HGH could put you in prison for up to 5 years for first offense. Luckily fentanyl is cracked down a lot harder on and looked over more harshly than HGH despite the laws being backwards.
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What's really fucked up is that I was facing 31 yrs for oxycodone when it's not nearly as lethal as Fentanyl. Which I also know firsthand as I died twice from Fentanyl. Guess that explains why I have a much more cavalier attitude about Grey's, testing and sterility. Yolo
 
Yankeegurl_LQJ said:
What's really fucked up is that I was facing 31 yrs for oxycodone when it's not nearly as lethal as Fentanyl. Which I also know firsthand as I died twice from Fentanyl. Guess that explains why I have a much more cavalier attitude about Grey's, testing and sterility. Yolo
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Wow that's crazy, just for possession? Were you being charged with distribution?
 
scarywood75 said:
I've ordered some ipamorelin and tesamorelin (separately, I'll mix).

Anyone tried this combo?

I plan to do 300mcg IPA and 1mg tesa, 5 days on, 2 days off, for 3 months.
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Wondering how this is going for you. I want to get these ordered today and I want to try them separately but I’m having a hard time finding a vendor that carries both of these and separately. Are we allowed to send help? Lol please DM if you can
 
CacaoPower said:
Wondering how this is going for you. I want to get these ordered today and I want to try them separately but I’m having a hard time finding a vendor that carries both of these and separately. Are we allowed to send help? Lol please DM if you can
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I've ordered from Uther, unfortunately it's stuck at customs atm so I haven't tested yet.
 
scarywood75 said:
I've ordered from Uther, unfortunately it's stuck at customs atm so I haven't tested yet.
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Placed an order with Uther at 8:30pm on Saturday 3/22. She said free USPS shipping and that would take a while and have a bigger chance it gets stuck in customs, or pay $50 extra for FedEx. Paid for FedEx shipping. Scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, 3/27.
 
ktg123 said:
Placed an order with Uther at 8:30pm on Saturday 3/22. She said free USPS shipping and that would take a while and have a bigger chance it gets stuck in customs, or pay $50 extra for FedEx. Paid for FedEx shipping. Scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, 3/27.
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Yeah, I'm in Canada so it's a bit different, but I'm glad you're gonna receive yours soon!
 
ktg123 said:
Placed an order with Uther at 8:30pm on Saturday 3/22. She said free USPS shipping and that would take a while and have a bigger chance it gets stuck in customs, or pay $50 extra for FedEx. Paid for FedEx shipping. Scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, 3/27.
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Unbelievable. It showed up today. 2 days from Hong Kong to Utah.
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noggin said:
Wow that's crazy, just for possession? Were you being charged with distribution?
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I received 12 felonies. 9 for doctor shopping and 3 for trafficking. The most fucked up part is that the police said there was no evidence of buying or selling. I only got trafficking because they weigh the pills not count them. I was an addict because a doctor put me on oxycontin at 19 after a car accident. He said it would let me live a normal life. I had like 14 surgeries in 5 yrs and still need a few more. When I tried to stop the pain was so bad and i wouldn't get sick af. I truly understand from first hand experience how the opioid epidemic got started.
 
Yankeegurl_LQJ said:
I received 12 felonies. 9 for doctor shopping and 3 for trafficking. The most fucked up part is that the police said there was no evidence of buying or selling. I only got trafficking because they weigh the pills not count them. I was an addict because a doctor put me on oxycontin at 19 after a car accident. He said it would let me live a normal life. I had like 14 surgeries in 5 yrs and still need a few more. When I tried to stop the pain was so bad and i wouldn't get sick af. I truly understand from first hand experience how the opioid epidemic got started.
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That’s terrible I’ve had to go to over 20 funerals because of that poison. I’m glad you came out of it ok. Tore my quad years ago and they gave me 100’s of percs, started noticing I was taking more and more and I had only been taking them for a week or two. Stopped cold turkey and it was horrible for three days, can’t imagine what it must of been like when you took them for years.
 
Peptides over promise and under deliver, aside from the GLP 's.
Your never going to get massive muscle growth from peptides. They are one-step up from vitamin supplements. If you want body builder type muscles your going to have to go down the steriod path.l, gym and.diet.
There is a difference wanting to be healthy and wanting to look unnaturally muscular. If you want to look unnaturally muscular you're going to have to deploy unnatural compounds
 
I also might add that a lot of these peptides were failed experiments that would hopefully lead to something pharmaceutical companies could take advantage of. I do believe pharmaceutical companies are two things I believe they want to do the right thing and I think they always want to overcharge you drastically it's big money, I stand corrected it's giant money you can by proven peptides non-farmaceutical compounded for a lot less money than their name brands. I would just caution anybody do your homework there's a lot of work to be done peptides are not silver bullets. I take them and I enjoy them but my expectations are in line with what they really are a step above a vitamin supplement no more no less in my opinion
 
Healthmaster said:
That’s terrible I’ve had to go to over 20 funerals because of that poison. I’m glad you came out of it ok. Tore my quad years ago and they gave me 100’s of percs, started noticing I was taking more and more and I had only been taking them for a week or two. Stopped cold turkey and it was horrible for three days, can’t imagine what it must of been like when you took them for years.
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Thank you. That means a lot. It was a long hard road not just for me and but my family as well. The day my closet friend died (9/24/2018) is the day I decided to get help. Not gonna lie. After almost 25 yrs of addiction it took major help from the methadone clinic and counselors to get clean or I prob would not be here today. September 24th will be 7 yrs sober. Other than my 2 children it is the next best thing I have ever done for myself. There is a whole new world out there when you are sober enough to appreciate it.
 
Yankeegurl_LQJ said:
Thank you. That means a lot. It was a long hard road not just for me and but my family as well. The day my closet friend died (9/24/2018) is the day I decided to get help. Not gonna lie. After almost 25 yrs of addiction it took major help from the methadone clinic and counselors to get clean or I prob would not be here today. September 24th will be 7 yrs sober. Other than my 2 children it is the next best thing I have ever done for myself. There is a whole new world out there when you are sober enough to appreciate it.
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Sober living rules. Just remember, one day at a time, you deserve to be the best version of yourself. People truly don’t understand how bad it can get, but I’m sure you can appreciate how good it is now.
 
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