Vendor water price range is usually ~$0.1-$0.5/mL for waters, how much cheaper is it homebrew and is the money saved worth the risk with your health? What is a ridiculous price? Where are you getting cheap bulk SWFI that's less than that?
I do not do all of that.
I literally transfer my BAC into my pep, and keep it moving. I keep it super simple. The less steps the better.
Look, go ahead and make your homebrew BAC water for yourself and your gf + sister. It's no sweat off my back.
And to be clear, it is disingenuous for you to think it's "simple" to make BAC, if it was that simple this whole thread would not exist. There would be plenty of suppliers overflowing with validated and trusted BAC. You and others are too blasé + cavalier about this, which is just dangerous.
You adding lab graded BA to sterile water doesn't mean it's validated, and verifiably sterile BAC water. There is no testing or validation on that or ur raw materials. It's not a sure thing. If you are in the US there are various ways to obtain BAC or SWFI that doesn't involve homebrewing & hoping for the best. It's super reckless for no reason. Plenty of sites/resellers, H water is $11-$13/bottle before shipping.
Go ahead and make your BAC, but do not try to downplay it for what it is or get super defensive about it. If you can't afford BAC then maybe this grey market stuff isn't for you, you probably shouldn't be using them at all, no?
So wait a second. You're telling me you use vendor bac water, reconstitute your shit, and then don't filter any of that? And you think DIY bac water is some big, ridiculous risk? Are you serious? So not only are you trusting the peptides themselves to be completely sterile, you're trusting the vials, the bac water, and everything else? Even though later in this thread you acknowledge there's a manufacturer who got in trouble for failing COAs because they didn't have enough BA in their water?
As I've said multiple times, I haven't decided yet on what I'm going to do moving forward. Maybe I'll find a vendor whose price I can afford. Maybe I'll source SWFI and add BA to it myself. Who knows. My only issue with this entire argument is that people act like bac water is this magical, unknown, mythical thing and it's just not. It's literally sterile water and benzyl alcohol. That's it. It's not crazy to think people could do that safely in their own homes, if you already accept that you can reconstitute peptides safely in your own home.
This thread exists because people don't seem to understand what exactly bac water is or how it's made. IMO, it might very well be safer to add BA to SWFI if that's all you can get, which is the case for a lot of people in the world. Bac water isn't a thing in Europe but they're using the same peptides we are, so they're almost certainly not throwing the vial away after a single use, since obviously the vial itself has multiple doses in it. If you go back to my first response here, that's one of the questions I originally asked. It seems to me like it'd be more dangerous to use SWFI without any preservatives at all, than to add your own benzyl alcohol to it.
I'm not defensive about DIYing bac water. I came looking for information from someone who's actually done it and it's incredibly frustrating that any time this question comes up or anyone brings it up as a possibility, a bunch of people jump up claiming it's not safe. Specifically, people who've never done it, have no experience with it, and can't even reasonably explain what the actual problem would be without exaggeration and hyperbole. But sure, yeah, because I can't afford insanely price gouged bac water that literally costs more per ml than my peps cost per mg, that means I shouldn't be doing this at all. Cool, okay, guess I just won't continue to improve my/my family's life with these incredible drugs?
Honestly, the cognitive dissonance is fascinating to me. What makes you so sure that adding benzyl alcohol in a very simple ratio (this seems to piss you off for some reason, but the fact is -- it
is a simple ratio! Bac water ranges from .9 to 1.5% so it's not like the math is difficult or so small that the risk of adding too much is catastrophic) to SWFI is such a terrible idea? Can you explain that to me without being a prick or acting like it's so different than reconstituting your peptides? It's the dishonesty about it that gets to me, and maybe people don't even realize they're doing it because they've been conditioned into believing certain things without ever examining why they believe those things. It's like people who believe that the 28 day rule for bac water is infallible, without considering that rule is mainly in place for clinical settings, who are almost definitely piercing the vial multiple times a day, from multiple people, some of whom may not have the best aseptic technique because they're in a rush at work, unlike us at home who can take as long as we'd like to make things as sterile as reasonably possible.
I'll end this by reiterating once again, I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything. Do I think it'd be best if everyone could source Hospira bac water easily and affordably? Yes, of course. But with that clearly not being the case, I just think we as a community should be open to alternatives without judging others for the choices they make for themselves.
