Dionysos spreadsheet

[exploitedworkerbee]

Also from what I recall each section of the sheet was in alphabetical order. That's why Amo was at the top...

i think part of the problem is that people seem to get too enthusiastic too fast about new vendors before they've had time to show what theyre made of. this 100% happened with Amo and Nexa, but others with whom this happened are ZLZ, HYT, henan tengmao, the list goes on.

That spreadsheet was pushing judgements about vendors that had no proven record, which was then swallowed by new folks who didn't understand that fact, and the result is a lot of people with badly stinging tirz in their fridges (it could have been worse). The first post about Nexaph on this site was on September 12 -- 6 weeks ago, There is zero rational reason for people to be as dedicated as they are considering the amount of time they've been in business, but when they have been given the impression that authoritative sources have given the approval, this is what happens.

 

[mostlydamp]

I guess these conversations are inevitable. I would ask that when we have them we keep in mind that the person who created these resources - and many many others - is a person who was doing their best to protect the health and safety of a very vulnerable community.

He seems quieter these days but he's still here, so please think of Dionysus before you start throwing around insults.

This exactly, I was typing my own reply as I saw yours. I've only been an official member of the forum for a couple of months. I hope that in the future if I try to help people with a resource like his, maybe they would try to at least involve me in the discussion of whether it's a good one or not instead of talk this way.

And nobody made anybody look at the damn thing. If we are all about believing what internet strangers say...well then let me tell you about an amazing deal! You just have to transfer a large sum into my crypto wallet first.

 

[noteablequotable]

i think part of the problem is that people seem to get too enthusiastic too fast about new vendors before they've had time to show what theyre made of. this 100% happened with Amo and Nexa, but others with whom this happened are ZLZ, HYT, henan tengmao, the list goes on.

That spreadsheet was pushing judgements about vendors that had no proven record, which was then swallowed by new folks who didn't understand that fact, and the result is a lot of people with badly stinging tirz in their fridges (it could have been worse). The first post about Nexaph on this site was on September 12 -- 6 weeks ago, There is zero rational reason for people to be as dedicated as they are considering the amount of time they've been in business, but when they have been given the impression that authoritative sources have given the approval, this is what happens.

I think I mentioned this in the other thread but I'm convinced that part of the issue here is competing value systems, and the fact that we don't all have the same risk tolerance or definition of what makes a "good" vendor. We have different needs and seem to care about different things.

I still think a less controversial v2 would rate vendors in multiple discreet areas where there is less likely to be disagreement. I can't see us ever agreeing about which vendors are okay to use and which ones should be avoided, but I think we can all agree about whether a vendor's shipping is fast or slow, whether their customer service is good or bad, whether they regularly underfill or overfill. Once people have information across all of those data points, they can make the decision that's most right for them.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

The spreadsheet was and is a pretty bad source of information. I don't see how anyone could research all the options out there and come to the conclusion that amo and nexa are the safest and best choices, lol.

👎🏻

 

[boofingit]

The link to the spreadsheet is still active (and it seems he's still updating it as of Oct 15th), but I think you'd need to get that link direct from the source as I'm not comfortable sharing it knowing he purposefully took it down.

 

[Bacchus]

I think I mentioned this in the other thread but I'm convinced that part of the issue here is competing value systems, and the fact that we don't all have the same risk tolerance or definition of what makes a "good" vendor. We have different needs and seem to care about different things.

I still think a less controversial v2 would rate vendors in multiple discreet areas where there is less likely to be disagreement. I can't see us ever agreeing about which vendors are okay to use and which ones should be avoided, but I think we can all agree about whether a vendor's shipping is fast or slow, whether their customer service is good or bad, whether they regularly underfill or overfill. Once people have information across all of those data points, they can make the decision that's most right for them.

Challenge accepted, I’ll have a gpt agent troll the sitemap here and google for a couple days. Then come up with a list.

Chatgpt can’t be claimed to be biased 😂

Edit: Bacchus may or may not be the undisputed most awesome vendor though, but that’s up to chatgpt 😇

 

[noteablequotable]

Challenge accepted, I’ll have a gpt agent troll the sitemap here and google for a couple days. Then come up with a list.

Chatgpt can’t be claimed to be biased 😂

I think that's a great idea and would love for you to eventually share your methodology. I think there are other valuable insights to be gained from analyzing forum posts, and it's one of the things on my to-do list.

 

[YoYoFat]

They were ranked highest "safe to buy" for a while and last I checked, still on the top of the list despite everything.

I didn’t interpret being at the top of an **unsorted** list as being highest/best/top rated. It wasn’t like there was a numerical ranking.

 

[MarisWinter]

I don't blame him for removing it. You guys are new and don't know the history of the spreadsheet. See the polls in the forum? See who made the polls? The sheet was made from data submitted by all of the members here. WE submitted the data. If I collected the data and put it in a usable format and received the same kind of drama that is being posted, it would be a cold day before I would do another let alone share it. The talks of being a shill and the data being incorrect needs to stop. It is the experience of the people that submitted the info when purchasing from those sites.

Edited to add: These are also fly by night places and the quality and even being a source changes overnight. The sheet also stated to use at your own risk and to do your OWN research

Thank you. I used to love it here- and now it’s like a Dystopian Hell!😞

 

[Tinygrashopa]

I was lucky enough to stumble across this forum in the beginning of my research. I have tried to understand discord, peppy’s and telegraph but honestly find this forum much easier to navigate and understand. I don’t have the time to dig and read every discussion on every platform. I personally appreciated all that Dionysus added to the community. His spreadsheets were just another part of the research and his opinion of each vendor. I’m very sad at the negative vibe this forum has taken lately. Though I haven’t been part of it for that long I’d say a definite turn in discussion has happened. I was reading a multipage rant just yesterday. We are all here to learn and make our own educated decisions. Dionysus was a valued member with positive and constructive posts. I’m sad to see him not being part of it as much and If he is reading I would love a link to his spreadsheet again. Here is to hoping we can all play nice in the sandbox.

 

[Bacchus]

Thank you. I used to love it here- and now it’s like a Dystopian Hell!😞

It’s sad that you, and by the looks of it several others feel this way.

I think it’s just a natural result of more users coming in, it’s easier to instigate a conflict with users you don’t recognise. So the discussions will automatically become less respectful with more users around.

I guess it also increases the likelihood of someone having an issue with something being said when more people read each post.

Try to ignore the posts that clearly create conflict and focus on the nice ones. The introduction section is usually full of nice people 😁

 

[JKLIN]

I was lucky enough to stumble across this forum in the beginning of my research. I have tried to understand discord, peppy’s and telegraph but honestly find this forum much easier to navigate and understand. I don’t have the time to dig and read every discussion on every platform. I personally appreciated all that Dionysus added to the community. His spreadsheets were just another part of the research and his opinion of each vendor. I’m very sad at the negative vibe this forum has taken lately. Though I haven’t been part of it for that long I’d say a definite turn in discussion has happened. I was reading a multipage rant just yesterday. We are all here to learn and make our own educated decisions. Dionysus was a valued member with positive and constructive posts. I’m sad to see him not being part of it as much and If he is reading I would love a link to his spreadsheet again. Here is to hoping we can all play nice in the sandbox.

I agree with you about discord and peppy's. For the life of me, they're a chaotic mess. I haven't gone to telegraph because I imagine it'll just be more of the same.

 

[brentm]

I’m very sad at the negative vibe this forum has taken lately. Though I haven’t been part of it for that long I’d say a definite turn in discussion has happened. I was reading a multipage rant just yesterday. We are all here to learn and make our own educated decisions. Dionysus was a valued member with positive and constructive posts. I’m sad to see him not being part of it as much and If he is reading I would love a link to his spreadsheet again. Here is to hoping we can all play nice in the sandbox.

I would message Dionysus, it sounds like he is still updating it and it is still live.

I agree with most of what you wrote. I've been a participant in some extremely toxic communities, so I'll say that this one isn't nearly as toxic as it could be. Maybe it's because most of us are overweight and just need some help.

People are human. Shit happens. Get over it. Move on.

And just remember. People are too wrapped up in themselves to care about anyone else.

This video does a good job of illustrating the illusion of the spotlight effect. It's only a few minutes long. A good reminder that no one really gives a shit.

 

[Vacation4us]

I guess these conversations are inevitable. I would ask that when we have them we keep in mind that the person who created these resources - and many many others - is a person who was doing their best to protect the health and safety of a very vulnerable community.

He seems quieter these days but he's still here, so please think of Dionysus before you start throwing around insults.

Honestly when I read the shit talk on Dionysus the only person that comes out smelling like shit is the shit talker not Dionysus.

 

[Tinygrashopa]

I would message Dionysus, it sounds like he is still updating it and it is still live.

I agree with most of what you wrote. I've been a participant in some extremely toxic communities, so I'll say that this one isn't nearly as toxic as it could be. Maybe it's because most of us are overweight and just need some help.

People are human. Shit happens. Get over it. Move on.

And just remember. People are too wrapped up in themselves to care about anyone else.

This video does a good job of illustrating the illusion of the spotlight effect. It's only a few minutes long. A good reminder that no one really gives a shit.

Great video! And a reminder that I wasted WAY too much time reading that rant thread yesterday. There are so many great souls here on this wonderful journey to being healthy. We have so much to give one another. All of the support and knowledge here is so greatly appreciated by me and many others. That is why I will keep coming back. I’ll just skip over the negative next time. Thanks Brentm for the reminder.

 

[GimmeABreak]

I just started Tirz on 7/29 with brand name but insurance continued to throw hoops to jump through and I think they have cut me off for good. I then switched to compound and knew the FDA was going to take it off the shortage list. So I started researching the gray market and found this forum and other sources of information with a plan to stock up while its available.

I found Dionysus' US/INTL lists days before he took them down. I read through many of the posts he used to create it and update it and thought, what a massive amount of work and great contribution to the community.

Then I saw researchers giving him negative feedback on accuracy and other information, basically ungrateful idiots bitching about the list and I thought WTF? He is giving us a gift, how can these morons not realize that. I never thought it was the gray market bible and headed the disclaimers he included on the lists.

After 100 or more hours of research I ultimately chose to spread my orders over multiple vendors both in the US and China to hedge my bets. This is driving up my testing costs as I can't just test one vial from a big order that would most likely be from the same batch, but its what i felt was the most conservative route to take.

Thanks for all of your help Dionysus,, from a fellow DFW researcher, and also thanks to everyone else in this community that continue to provide meaningful contributions.

 

[Bacchus]

i think part of the problem is that people seem to get too enthusiastic too fast about new vendors before they've had time to show what theyre made of. this 100% happened with Amo and Nexa, but others with whom this happened are ZLZ, HYT, henan tengmao, the list goes on.

That spreadsheet was pushing judgements about vendors that had no proven record, which was then swallowed by new folks who didn't understand that fact, and the result is a lot of people with badly stinging tirz in their fridges (it could have been worse). The first post about Nexaph on this site was on September 12 -- 6 weeks ago, There is zero rational reason for people to be as dedicated as they are considering the amount of time they've been in business, but when they have been given the impression that authoritative sources have given the approval, this is what happens.

While this logic logics.

It stops logic-ing when you see people use the Introduction section for posts like:

“Yo, where can I buy terz??”

Then sit back and wait for a nice Chinese “girl” to message them.

These people are probably better off with some burning amopure tirz.

NB: Do not miss-read this and think I’m calling people stupid or looking down on anyone. It’s just a matter of priorities, topic knowledge and interest in the topic.

“This stuff solves the problem I want to solve, people say this vendor is cool, that’s good enough for me, LFG”

There is no way this person is reading hundreds of posts.

But I choose to believe that most people would fall into the category of trust, but spend 5-10min with the search function and google to verify.

So, that group being led astray so to say, would probably not be better off without the spreadsheet.

Edit: spelling

 

[MarisWinter]

I was lucky enough to stumble across this forum in the beginning of my research. I have tried to understand discord, peppy’s and telegraph but honestly find this forum much easier to navigate and understand. I don’t have the time to dig and read every discussion on every platform. I personally appreciated all that Dionysus added to the community. His spreadsheets were just another part of the research and his opinion of each vendor. I’m very sad at the negative vibe this forum has taken lately. Though I haven’t been part of it for that long I’d say a definite turn in discussion has happened. I was reading a multipage rant just yesterday. We are all here to learn and make our own educated decisions. Dionysus was a valued member with positive and constructive posts. I’m sad to see him not being part of it as much and If he is reading I would love a link to his spreadsheet again. Here is to hoping we can all play nice in the sandbox.

Amen….p

 

[Moth08]

I really really appreciated the spreadsheet when I first started researching, because it helped provide a pathway through some of the time-consuming noise. People have different levels of resources. Time, intelligence/health literacy, money, etc. No one coming in can know how deep is deep enough to go to verify that a vendor is the "right" one (time/literacy), only some people can afford to go test every batch they buy independently to verify that their decision was "correct" (money), etc. Harm reduction shouldn't just be for people who can afford it in all of these ways. You're not better or worse if you can do these things easily, you're just better resourced.

For me the spreadsheet offered a jumping off point for people coming in who may have had fewer resources to at least have a safer baseline. Not as gospel or a stand-in for individual risk mitigation and decision-making, but a baseline. I do understand trying to compel people to do their own research, but I'm with Bacchus in that the people who are going to are going to and the people who aren't aren't -- and maybe not because they are entitled or something but because they can't (health literacy) or can't (time) afford to. I did but the spreadsheet definitely helped make it so I could (and at least helped me have leads to find ways to mitigate my still existing issue which is inability to afford independent testing, so I can at least find and research vendors who might have third-party testing).

 

[CtrlAltDel]

Thank you. I used to love it here- and now it’s like a Dystopian Hell!😞

Yeah, need to find the next best option. Uninformed mudslinging is already old and it’s only been what, a week or two?

 

[AJ3118]

I found the spreadsheet within the first day I joined (I was reading a lot of back threads) and REALLY appreciated someone creating such a resource. I too didn't think it was the Grey Market Bible. I am sorry for Dionysus that he was attacked for trying to be helpful. As I always say at work -- no good deed goes unpunished.

Thank you Dionysus! I really do appreciate all of your posts.

 

[WinterFarce]

Honestly when I read the shit talk on Dionysus the only person that comes out smelling like shit is the shit talker not Dionysus.

I agree. He was working hard to help others and being transparent about what the spreadsheet was and is. He didn't deserve the very public and targeted assholery.

 

[Parcero]

Snap! Did I miss the “Dionysos” 20% OFF promo code for Limitless or PeptideSciences on the PDF, or whatever brands those YouTubers are affiliated with? (That’s sarcasm.) A simple Google Image search for “Tesamorelin” could have given me 100+ sources.

Dionysos' guide is a great additional resource in the sea of information, helping you get an idea about prices, products, and more (DYOR).
At the top of the page, it clearly states, "THIS GUIDE DOES NOT REPLACE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH, RELYING ON YOUR OWN JUDGMENT, OR MAKING YOUR OWN CHOICE." If someone can’t read that, they probably shouldn’t be handling syringes.

Ultimately, when you go down the peptide rabbit hole, you'll likely end up buying kits from China, with vendors using Janoshik's tests and bypassing the 500-1200% markups from research websites for the same product.. But nobody if forcing you to do so.

 

[jwillhite6]

I was lucky enough to stumble across this forum in the beginning of my research. I have tried to understand discord, peppy’s and telegraph but honestly find this forum much easier to navigate and understand. I don’t have the time to dig and read every discussion on every platform. I personally appreciated all that Dionysus added to the community. His spreadsheets were just another part of the research and his opinion of each vendor. I’m very sad at the negative vibe this forum has taken lately. Though I haven’t been part of it for that long I’d say a definite turn in discussion has happened. I was reading a multipage rant just yesterday. We are all here to learn and make our own educated decisions. Dionysus was a valued member with positive and constructive posts. I’m sad to see him not being part of it as much and If he is reading I would love a link to his spreadsheet again. Here is to hoping we can all play nice in the sandbox.

I'm a new member too and I whole heartedly agree with this. I also read the spreadsheet and understood it was just a suggestion based off of an opinion and past results. Because of it I have been eyeing several vendors, but am hesitant mainly because of the spreadsheet and I don't want to lose several hundred bucks to a scam or get overfilled/contaminated product.

 

[Dallas_vibes]

I'm a new member too and I whole heartedly agree with this. I also read the spreadsheet and understood it was just a suggestion based off of an opinion and past results. Because of it I have been eyeing several vendors, but am hesitant mainly because of the spreadsheet and I don't want to lose several hundred bucks to a scam or get overfilled/contaminated product.

You’re so lucky to have it!…I’m really hoping things will begin to shift and resources are shared again. I still have a couple of months of compound and will use that time to educate myself as much as possible before making a purchase. I’ve already spent hours looking back at older posts trying to piece it together, but the information is pretty scattered.

 

[jwillhite6]

Snap! Did I miss the “Dionysos” 20% OFF promo code for Limitless or PeptideSciences on the PDF, or whatever brands those YouTubers are affiliated with? (That’s sarcasm.) A simple Google Image search for “Tesamorelin” could have given me 100+ sources.

Dionysos' guide is a great additional resource in the sea of information, helping you get an idea about prices, products, and more (DYOR).
At the top of the page, it clearly states, "THIS GUIDE DOES NOT REPLACE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH, RELYING ON YOUR OWN JUDGMENT, OR MAKING YOUR OWN CHOICE." If someone can’t read that, they probably shouldn’t be handling syringes.

Ultimately, when you go down the peptide rabbit hole, you'll likely end up buying kits from China, with vendors using Janoshik's tests and bypassing the 500-1200% markups from research websites for the same product.. But nobody if forcing you to do so.

I know I'm still in the rabbit hole trying decide on a vendor. His she

You’re so lucky to have it!…I’m really hoping things will begin to shift and resources are shared again. I still have a couple of months of compound and will use that time to educate myself as much as possible before making a purchase. I’ve already spent hours looking back at older posts trying to piece it together, but the information is pretty scattered.

I got it about 36 hours before it got taken down. All the new redditors don't know how to stay discrete. I have only been researching peptides for about 6 weeks and between this site and seeing all the gooberment crack downs on reddit in the last eight months it's pretty clear to stay quiet and not dox people. Wish I would have started my journey a year a go so I could reminisce in the good old days. That and feel 20 years younger because of peptides!!

 

[BeardedGuy]

I think that's a great idea and would love for you to eventually share your methodology. I think there are other valuable insights to be gained from analyzing forum posts, and it's one of the things on my to-do list.

Dude, if you share your methodology publicly you can count on getting pilloried like Dio. I agree it’s a great idea and will defend you but…

 

[BeardedGuy]

For the record, that spreadsheet was invaluable to a newbie. It stands to reason that with the Facebook onslaught something like that and the vendor info here is even more important.

 

[msorganized01]

I'm new here; literally joined today. It seems most people here have good intentions, but some just want to criticize everything others do. And those are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us. I think you should show gratitude to the man who made the dang spreadsheet to begin with. He took LOTS of time to research and create that, and provide everyone a valuable resource when he didn't HAVE to. Thank you, man. I'll never get to see it, but I appreciate you.

 

[Dee X]

I'm new here; literally joined today. It seems most people here have good intentions, but some just want to criticize everything others do. And those are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us. I think you should show gratitude to the man who made the dang spreadsheet to begin with. He took LOTS of time to research and create that, and provide everyone a valuable resource when he didn't HAVE to. Thank you, man. I'll never get to see it, but I appreciate you.

@dionysos is pretty legendary. He made me fall in love with this community.