Energy and mots c

[Steve_Burns]

Personally I think Mots-C is overhyped. I'm an endurance runner and it did nothing for me, and I feel that I see people reporting the same thing more so than any other peptide.

What it does do consistently is give people annoying, itchy site reactions. I'm very skeptical of anyone reporting Mots-C as a "game changer."

Agree. I ran a 1 month cycle, and went from 1mg 3x a week all the way up to 5mg 3x a week. Even at the low dose there was a burning/stinging sensation lasting 30min to an hour. Once I hit 5mg and pinned the love handle area, a lump formed which lasted two weeks or so. I pinned the other love handle with 5mg and the same lump formed. I then stopped Mots-C. Did not notice much.

I think the people who are praising this as some holy grail of energy are either TikTok shills pushing product, or people in rather poor physical condition, where there may be some effect.

 

[birdwhacker]

Personally I think Mots-C is overhyped. I'm an endurance runner and it did nothing for me...

Funny you say that. Endurance eunning is about the only thing that MotsC is good for and makes a difference in! Maybe your VO2 max is so high already that you just can't see the boost.

 

[ParallelU314]

You certainly seem to know what your talking about, mind if i ping you over my current stack and vits and supps so you can give me your opinion ?

MotsC isn't going to help you with that kind of tiredness. It's better as a pre-workout for cardio, even then you might not notice it.

Epithalon for sleep is amazing. I wouldn't waste money with DSIP. Stack with pinealon instead.

You likely need to address this from a nutrition standpoint. Are you taking a B complex with active B6 and riboflavin as P5P and R5P? Are you getting active thiamine as benfotiamine? Are you supplementing vitamin D with fatty meals and fish oil? Where is your choline coming from? Have you tried a sublingual B12 complex? Do you know or suspect your methylation status? Have you ever tried TMG/Betaine to boost methylation and catecholamines, and used glycine + taurine at night as a methyl sink? Do you take zinc? Do you balance your zinc with copper? Do you take magnesium? Do you take boron? You're taking SS31, are you also supporting your mitochondria with CoQ10 as Ubiquinol, with PQQ, with carnitine, with berberine? Have you tried ALCAR? Tryptophan? Tyrosine? The other trace minerals, selenium, chromium, vanadium, those are often sold in a single complex.

Peptides are the very least of your concern. GLP, SS31, epithalon, it's all good shit, but it's not going to solve your problem. Taking a fuck load of expensive supplements just might. Worked for me, though it took me a long time to get it dialed in.

If you give me a budget and a history of what you've taken and what works, I'd be happy to work up a stack for you or some simple things to get started with. I love fish oil for instance, but I can't honestly say that it does anything noticable for me. But, I know my state usually worsens when I don't have it for 3 week

MotsC isn't going to help you with that kind of tiredness. It's better as a pre-workout for cardio, even then you might not notice it.

Epithalon for sleep is amazing. I wouldn't waste money with DSIP. Stack with pinealon instead.

You likely need to address this from a nutrition standpoint. Are you taking a B complex with active B6 and riboflavin as P5P and R5P? Are you getting active thiamine as benfotiamine? Are you supplementing vitamin D with fatty meals and fish oil? Where is your choline coming from? Have you tried a sublingual B12 complex? Do you know or suspect your methylation status? Have you ever tried TMG/Betaine to boost methylation and catecholamines, and used glycine + taurine at night as a methyl sink? Do you take zinc? Do you balance your zinc with copper? Do you take magnesium? Do you take boron? You're taking SS31, are you also supporting your mitochondria with CoQ10 as Ubiquinol, with PQQ, with carnitine, with berberine? Have you tried ALCAR? Tryptophan? Tyrosine? The other trace minerals, selenium, chromium, vanadium, those are often sold in a single complex.

Peptides are the very least of your concern. GLP, SS31, epithalon, it's all good shit, but it's not going to solve your problem. Taking a fuck load of expensive supplements just might. Worked for me, though it took me a long time to get it dialed in.

If you give me a budget and a history of what you've taken and what works, I'd be happy to work up a stack for you or some simple things to get started with. I love fish oil for instance, but I can't honestly say that it does anything noticable for me. But, I know my state usually worsens when I don't have it for 3 weeks.

MotsC isn't going to help you with that kind of tiredness. It's better as a pre-workout for cardio, even then you might not notice it.

Epithalon for sleep is amazing. I wouldn't waste money with DSIP. Stack with pinealon instead.

You likely need to address this from a nutrition standpoint. Are you taking a B complex with active B6 and riboflavin as P5P and R5P? Are you getting active thiamine as benfotiamine? Are you supplementing vitamin D with fatty meals and fish oil? Where is your choline coming from? Have you tried a sublingual B12 complex? Do you know or suspect your methylation status? Have you ever tried TMG/Betaine to boost methylation and catecholamines, and used glycine + taurine at night as a methyl sink? Do you take zinc? Do you balance your zinc with copper? Do you take magnesium? Do you take boron? You're taking SS31, are you also supporting your mitochondria with CoQ10 as Ubiquinol, with PQQ, with carnitine, with berberine? Have you tried ALCAR? Tryptophan? Tyrosine? The other trace minerals, selenium, chromium, vanadium, those are often sold in a single complex.

Peptides are the very least of your concern. GLP, SS31, epithalon, it's all good shit, but it's not going to solve your problem. Taking a fuck load of expensive supplements just might. Worked for me, though it took me a long time to get it dialed in.

If you give me a budget and a history of what you've taken and what works, I'd be happy to work up a stack for you or some simple things to get started with. I love fish oil for instance, but I can't honestly say that it does anything noticable for me. But, I know my state usually worsens when I don't have it for 3 weeks.

This is awesome information, thank you! I'm brand new to the pep space and just looking to lose some weight and have more energy and become healthier overall.

I'm 43/F. I struggle staying asleep and I don't have much energy througout the day. I walk 45 min every morning with a weight vest and started lifting 4-5 times a week about 2 months ago but I still struggle with lack of energy and just feel sluggish all the time. I have to force myself through the workouts.

I am not taking any peps yet but I currently take the following supplements. Magnesium Glycinate for sleep, Fish Oil, methalated vitamin B comlex, berberine, fiber. The only prescription medication I take is Losartin for high blood pressure.

What would you recommend? I'm open to peps, supplements, whatever gets the job done lol.

s.

 

[birdwhacker]

I am not taking any peps yet but I currently take the following supplements. Magnesium Glycinate for sleep, Fish Oil, methalated vitamin B comlex, berberine, fiber. The only prescription medication I take is Losartin for high blood pressure.

What would you recommend? I'm open to peps, supplements, whatever gets the job done lol.

Sleep is the toughest one to deal with always lol.

Adding TMG/Betaine (the powder is super cheap and tasteless!) was big for my daytime energy.

For sleep, taurine powder + glycine powder about 2 hours before bed is great for me. Taurine alao stimulates the flow of bile which is great on a GLP, and glycine acts as a methyl sink to help soak up excess methyl groups from the methylfolate and TMG, which helps relax you for sleep.

I can't really take nicotinic acid (flush niacin) any more due to a histamine problem, but I do recommend giving it a shot. Do some research on it, it can be quite intense if you're mot prepared! But it has a ton of benefits and also acts like a methyl sink. I sleep great after using it, and it has some wonderful benefits for cholesterol and overall health.

I haven't added CoQ10 as Ubiquinol yet, but I'm inclined to suggest it based on how promising it sounds.

Since you're a woman, you might also try adding inositol (as a blend of myo and d-chiro inositol, and not the overpriced ovasitol garbage). It's cheap and I don't notice any ill effects from it LOL.

For sleep, honestly epithalon was magical for me and I am going insane without it. I think it will be a permanent addition. Never in my life have I felt so rested. It worked so well that I legitimately thought that I had been improving my life and therefore my sleep got better... Until I ran out and everything returned to normal. 1mg a day in the evening for 20 days on 10 days off is the common wisdom for dosing.

Oh and I almost forgot... Creatine is a good add. It's quite cheap and you won't notice a difference most days, but it does help, especially to maintain muslce while on a GLP. I don't have any right now so the brands escape me, search this forum for good brands. I can't stand the texture of creatine monohydrate but it's really cheap and I hear some brands are better than others. I prefer the creatine HCL capsules but they're wicked expensive.

Also, circling back to B vitamins... I have had great success with taking all of my B vitamins separately. Riboflavin and B5 in particular give me a ton of energy, and methylfolate is a big winner as well. You may find that the doses when taking them individually are a lot more effective. I hate to admit it as a 27 year old, but I'm at the age where I simply pull open the capsules and use some of the powder if the dose is too much LOL. I still have bottles sitting around from like 5 years ago when I thought that I had to buy the highest possible dose of everything.

For my B complex, this is what I take:

https://a.co/d/09P3RDHp

https://a.co/d/04ehoglf

https://a.co/d/0hp3phHx

Amazon.com: Nutricost R-5-P (Riboflavin-5-Phosphate) (Vitamin B2) 50 MG, 120 Capsules - Vegan, GMO-Free : Health & Household

Buy Nutricost R-5-P (Riboflavin-5-Phosphate) (Vitamin B2) 50 MG, 120 Capsules - Vegan, GMO-Free on Amazon.com ✓ FREE SHIPPING on qualified orders

a.co

That's pretty much your core "B complex," there are all of the major cofactors for eachother. The P5P I take in the evening because I like that it causes dreaming. The methylfolate always makes me feel amazing at first, but 1000mcg is a lot so you don't have to take it every single day. I bite mine in half most days, unless I need the extra methyl donors.

For B5 I take pantothenic acid. It honestly seems a little intense at 500mg, some people take pantothine instead but I don't know the difference. This one seems to help with my circulation. For B1 you want the fat soluble active form benfotiamine. I don't notice a difference from it at all, but supposedly it has benefits and is good for transsulfuration along with B6/P5P.

 

[ParallelU314]

Sleep is the toughest one to deal with always lol.

Adding TMG/Betaine (the powder is super cheap and tasteless!) was big for my daytime energy.

For sleep, taurine powder + glycine powder about 2 hours before bed is great for me. Taurine alao stimulates the flow of bile which is great on a GLP, and glycine acts as a methyl sink to help soak up excess methyl groups from the methylfolate and TMG, which helps relax you for sleep.

I can't really take nicotinic acid (flush niacin) any more due to a histamine problem, but I do recommend giving it a shot. Do some research on it, it can be quite intense if you're mot prepared! But it has a ton of benefits and also acts like a methyl sink. I sleep great after using it, and it has some wonderful benefits for cholesterol and overall health.

I haven't added CoQ10 as Ubiquinol yet, but I'm inclined to suggest it based on how promising it sounds.

Since you're a woman, you might also try adding inositol (as a blend of myo and d-chiro inositol, and not the overpriced ovasitol garbage). It's cheap and I don't notice any ill effects from it LOL.

For sleep, honestly epithalon was magical for me and I am going insane without it. I think it will be a permanent addition. Never in my life have I felt so rested. It worked so well that I legitimately thought that I had been improving my life and therefore my sleep got better... Until I ran out and everything returned to normal. 1mg a day in the evening for 20 days on 10 days off is the common wisdom for dosing.

Oh and I almost forgot... Creatine is a good add. It's quite cheap and you won't notice a difference most days, but it does help, especially to maintain muslce while on a GLP. I don't have any right now so the brands escape me, search this forum for good brands. I can't stand the texture of creatine monohydrate but it's really cheap and I hear some brands are better than others. I prefer the creatine HCL capsules but they're wicked expensive.

Also, circling back to B vitamins... I have had great success with taking all of my B vitamins separately. Riboflavin and B5 in particular give me a ton of energy, and methylfolate is a big winner as well. You may find that the doses when taking them individually are a lot more effective. I hate to admit it as a 27 year old, but I'm at the age where I simply pull open the capsules and use some of the powder if the dose is too much LOL. I still have bottles sitting around from like 5 years ago when I thought that I had to buy the highest possible dose of everything.

For my B complex, this is what I take:

https://a.co/d/09P3RDHp

https://a.co/d/04ehoglf

https://a.co/d/0hp3phHx

Amazon.com: Nutricost R-5-P (Riboflavin-5-Phosphate) (Vitamin B2) 50 MG, 120 Capsules - Vegan, GMO-Free : Health & Household

Buy Nutricost R-5-P (Riboflavin-5-Phosphate) (Vitamin B2) 50 MG, 120 Capsules - Vegan, GMO-Free on Amazon.com ✓ FREE SHIPPING on qualified orders

a.co

That's pretty much your core "B complex," there are all of the major cofactors for eachother. The P5P I take in the evening because I like that it causes dreaming. The methylfolate always makes me feel amazing at first, but 1000mcg is a lot so you don't have to take it every single day. I bite mine in half most days, unless I need the extra methyl donors.

For B5 I take pantothenic acid. It honestly seems a little intense at 500mg, some people take pantothine instead but I don't know the difference. This one seems to help with my circulation. For B1 you want the fat soluble active form benfotiamine. I don't notice a difference from it at all, but supposedly it has benefits and is good for transsulfuration along with B6/P5P.

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this for me, it's extremely helpful and appreciated. I'm going to give this protocol a try and I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[birdwhacker]

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this for me, it's extremely helpful and appreciated. I'm going to give this protocol a try and I'll let you know how it goes.

Any time! Let me know, hope you see results 🙂

 

[tendency]

Hello all, I have had energy/fatigue problems for a couple months now starting before I ran any peptide cycles. I have been in a pretty consistent calorie deficit for a little over a year now starting at 220 lbs and now down to ~140 lbs. I am 18 years and get a consistent ~8 hours of sleep and pretty high sleep scores, however I do have many wake ups every night. I have ran though 9 vials of mots c and hadn't noticed any results energy wise. I also run growth hormone nightly not for energy but worth mentioning as people report better sleep from it. I am looking into SS-31 for energy and also looking at a DSIP/Epitalon stack to possibly limit my nightly wake ups. Does anyone have advice or have a similar experience to share or anything that was a "game changer"? Thank you!

Eat more. You've been dieting aggressively for a year+, not surprised you're run down that's hard on the body especially since at your age you're still likely developing.

 

[BlueDog55]

Hello all, I have had energy/fatigue problems for a couple months now starting before I ran any peptide cycles. I have been in a pretty consistent calorie deficit for a little over a year now starting at 220 lbs and now down to ~140 lbs. I am 18 years and get a consistent ~8 hours of sleep and pretty high sleep scores, however I do have many wake ups every night. I have ran though 9 vials of mots c and hadn't noticed any results energy wise. I also run growth hormone nightly not for energy but worth mentioning as people report better sleep from it. I am looking into SS-31 for energy and also looking at a DSIP/Epitalon stack to possibly limit my nightly wake ups. Does anyone have advice or have a similar experience to share or anything that was a "game changer"? Thank you!

I would guess being in a "consistent calorie deficit for a little over a year" could cause your energy/fatigue issues.