Thanks for the clarification. been reading bro and institutional science for a long time and was pretty sure I had it right. Is either more common on this forum?
Epitalon usage and effects
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nonyabizznez
GLP-1 Specialist
Honestly I've been here over a year and rarely see it used in either way so when it is clarification is probably needed. I have a business background so will always initially read it as End of Day which evolved into Close of Business which to me is a bit more aggressive.
I love SS-31.. observed effects were energetic, possibly even mood lifting, but not in a cns stimulant sort of way. also a general perceived boost in well being feelings. dosing around 500mcg on average. I really hope SSA comes back.
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
A single vial of epitalon is like two doses. I think the minimum cycle is 10 days.
Hey PA, I read that the old protocol specified 10 mg a day, but some researchers found that this was based on the older peptide that was used in the Russian study which was actually Epithalamin, not Epitalon, which is 10x stronger. I've heard accounts where people really got their butts kicked at that dosage. My order comes next week and I'm going to use it IN instead of subq since it's small enough to pass the BBB and be absorbed easily. I got some Snoot bottles that deliver 0.1 ML per spray. We'll see what happens. Here is a link to what is considered current info and protocol for Epitalon: https://pep-pedia.org/peptides/epitalon
cheaperseeker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Really? 200mg over 20 days had such a minimal effect on me, it's hard to imagine how it would affect other people that much. I'm curious, what were their symptoms?
On Reddit, people were talking about sleep disruption, although It's supposed to help with that, some said it had the opposite effect if they took it before bed, getting no sleep at all. Others reported bad anxiety and others just generally feeling like overall crap. Doctordup2 is an actual peptide researcher and she's posted some really informative posts on Epitalon there. She also created the original GLOW protocol. She has jumped in on some of these reports to provide advice. The only rule seems to be that everyone is different.
PAPoots
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I think it is a gimmick. Without human trials or even some people posting results from some personal labs done, it is snake oil IMO.
When you start taking a stack of peptides and other supplements you really can't tell what triggered a result, unless it was what you expected based on research outcomes.
My sleep changes daily. Yet everything other than reta is supposed to help with sleep. But a month ago I was getting sleep scores in the 90s, I'm lucky to hit 80 now.
I think Reta is the only thing working in my stack currently. Maybe NAD also, I need a few more weeks on it to tell as I titrate up.
Epi, ss31, glow, semax, and selank have done nothing. And I experimented going above the rec dose to try to get some feeling negative or positive.
When you start taking a stack of peptides and other supplements you really can't tell what triggered a result, unless it was what you expected based on research outcomes.
My sleep changes daily. Yet everything other than reta is supposed to help with sleep. But a month ago I was getting sleep scores in the 90s, I'm lucky to hit 80 now.
I think Reta is the only thing working in my stack currently. Maybe NAD also, I need a few more weeks on it to tell as I titrate up.
Epi, ss31, glow, semax, and selank have done nothing. And I experimented going above the rec dose to try to get some feeling negative or positive.
Epithalon, Semax and Selank all have extensive human studies, they're just all Russian. GLOW also has a lot of human research supporting it. I don't know that you'll ever "feel" NAD. The only proof would be a test for blood serum levels. The only rule is that everyone is different. My sleep on Reta hasn't been great either. Every bump means waking at 3am for good. I finally got some Trazadone from my doc.
I reconstituted (4) 10mg vials Epithalon with each 40 units brand new Hospira bac water yesterday. It was kind of cloudy. I transferred it to a sterilized pen carpual and let it sit in the fridge but it looks like milk. Has anyone else had this happen? I read somewhere that maybe there wasn’t enough bac water or it needed acetic acid? Or it’s just bad and I need to toss it? I’ve never used it before so just checking with others that have.
Freshly opened Hospira. I can let it sit at room temp and see. Bummed 🫤
Yeah. Not a good sign if it stays that way. That is a low amount of BAC at just 1 unit per mg, also. If it stays cloudy, I'd double it if you have room, or break it out to another pen, if you have one. I did 10 mg to 4 ml of BAC.
That doesn't even look reconstituted. You may need to dilute it a lot more.
What dosage are you trying to get?
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I used a reconstitution calculator but obviously didn’t do it correctly. I’ve only reconstituted 60 mg Tirz and that’s been spot on. See, I need the Epithalon for my brain health 🤣. I really appreciate your help. It did look like it was on low side with liquid. Your the best!
OK. You can still salvage that if it's not bad. Here is the one I use: https://peptidescalculator.com/
CNCCurrency
GLP-1 Apprentice
I use 30 % acetic acid and the rest bac in mine. Try adding some of it.
In Epitalon? I've never seen that or read that the pH needed adjusting. Maybe for a really large recon?
CNCCurrency
GLP-1 Apprentice
I have 50 mg vials, I believe the acetic acid ph is 4.
cheaperseeker
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I agree that you probably need more bac water. Try adding at least another 1 mL (100 units), maybe more, and see if it clears up.
I added another 140 units which made it a total of 3 mL and it is crystal clear! The peptide calculator Chili777 tagged is much better than what I was using.
Thx for all that info, very useful. Do you have a source for Snoot bottles? Do you think you’d deliver the same dose intrasnoot as pinned?
This is my post on what I did to recon them for IN, with links:
Selank + Semax--nasal? Effects?
Hi all. Wanting to start researching with Selank and Semax. Anyone here use them nasally? How do you dose them? Do you mix them into a commercial nasal spray brand? Would love some info. TIA
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IN dosage is typically higher that SQ. I use this site for reference as I've found it to be more up to date on the various protocols. https://pep-pedia.org/peptides/epitalon
Thank you for the useful info! Really appreciate it!This is my post on what I did to recon them for IN, with links:
Selank + Semax--nasal? Effects?
Hi all. Wanting to start researching with Selank and Semax. Anyone here use them nasally? How do you dose them? Do you mix them into a commercial nasal spray brand? Would love some info. TIA
IN dosage is typically higher that SQ. I use this site for reference as I've found it to be more up to date on the various protocols. https://pep-pedia.org/peptides/epitalon
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