$16 for what looks like counterfeit Hospira BAC? No thanks.
Hospira BAC Availability
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As best as I can discern from FDA filings available online, Pfizer/Hospira is the only company producing BAC (that is "FDA-approved" anyway) for the US market.
GLP1Pharmacist
GLP-1 Apprentice
$16 a vial seems high.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
After reading about it more, I will only use the Indian BAC water as a backup:
Drug-Resistant Bacteria Tied to Products Imported from India
The FDA has long been criticized for lapses in inspections of overseas manufacturing in China and India, which are the two major producers of drugs and raw ingredients for medicines.
www.supplychainbrain.com
For tablets from India, I try to get ones by Sun Pharma if possible, since they are the most inspected by the FDA it seems, as the fourth largest generic manufacturer in the world.
Another manufacturer I trust is Dr. Reddy, which has contracts with Merck.
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GLP1Pharmacist
GLP-1 Apprentice
There were bird dropping, feathers and other animal faces on pain med production line in India recently.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
I can't find anything about it yet.
Was it one of the small, race-to-the-bottom manufacturers?
Was it one of the small, race-to-the-bottom manufacturers?
I was on a forum last night and someone there stated they had bought 5vials of Hospira bac water. You're saying these are fake/counterfeit?
There is legitimate Pfizer BAC from Canada that is labeled to comply with the language laws, and because the Hospira brand name was retired in Canada after the Pfizer acquisition in ~2015 they had to remove that branding from the labels so they only bear the Pfizer name and logo.
However there is A LOT of fake "Canadian" BAC showing up on the market lately so it's a huge crapshoot and not worth it IMHO. I covered some of it here: https://glp1forum.com/threads/beware-fake-hospira-bac-water.4162/
P.S. @roksolidz, you're brand new here so follow the rules and quit mentioning vendor names in every single post and spamming threads like this one with that crap.
nonyabizznez
GLP-1 Specialist
Nope! I did not say that. Plz read the above response☝️then re-read mine above it. 🧐
Gotcha...misunderstood. Thank you for clarification.
Omegladon
Recently Joined
I’m still searching over the net for a good reliable source. In the meantime I have unlimited access to Hospira Sterile Water and NaCL water… the torment whenever I see them overflowing in their bins looking just like the Bacteriostatic I need… *sigh.
zpped
Moderator
sterile water for injection is good for single use. so if you buy kits at your dose and use a vial at a time...
saline
I’ve mentioned this a few times. I promise this will be the last time I do. 🤣 I’ve used B-Complex ampules to recon. It contains the same amount of BA as BAC, and I have seen some compounding pharmacies combining B-12 with Tirzepatide. I have not seen it with Semaglutide and definitely not Retatrutide because it’s not even FDA approved, so you will need to do research. FWIW, I don’t think the B-Vitamins are much use subcutaneously, but they do not affect the peptide.
You can always just add your own BA to the sterile water, too.
Omegladon
Recently Joined
I’ve thought about it, I’ve read someone’s post about doing that and others had concerns over it. So unsure how to weigh the inconvenience and risk at the moment.
I think is relatively safe if you get the right kind of water. McKesson sterile water is cheap and from a “trustworthy” company. I would not recommend using distilled water or saline as I’ve seen mentioned in the past, but people do way riskier things like inject unconfirmed peptides that have only been used on mice in trials. 😝
The process just seems like a lot of work to me. I’ve used sterile water and split vials into a few weeks with no problems.
People do things like smoke, vape, drink excessive alcohol, smoke marijuana, eat processed foods constantly and then judge people for doing things that are objectively benign.
If things get hard enough to find, I guarantee folks would use tap water for these life changing drugs.
Have we seen any tests popping up for vendor bac yet? I expected we would see people posting tests at this point but I guess not.
I've still got two cases of hospira so I guess I'm good for a while and with the recent test results that were shared about out of date bac still being good for a while I'm not that worried.
I've still got two cases of hospira so I guess I'm good for a while and with the recent test results that were shared about out of date bac still being good for a while I'm not that worried.
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Omegladon
Recently Joined
Interesting, I’ve got a lot of work to do already as far as information gathering as I’m kind of new but I’m keeping it on the back burner. For me I have access to hospira sterile water vials, essentially more than I could ever use so it would be great if there was a simple way and sufficiently Safe way of making them work.
I'm not sure what particular risks making your own BAC from sterile water would carry that general reconstitution and injection wouldn't. Follow the same sterility procedures, get the dosing right, and you should be generally fine.
What concerns did people have? I might be missing something, so curious to their reasoning.
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
It'll be the luck of the draw! 👍
Omegladon
Recently Joined
I just kind of took that impression away without holding on to the specifics, if I find again I’ll be sure to link it here. The things I guess comes to my mind now is just maintaining sterility as I make each vial and the also the bottle of benzyl alcohol I imagine would also be a prime source for potential contamination depending how often I use it and store it.
If you manage to infect the benzyl alcohol I'd be very impressed.
FlowerFairy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
But it’s not compatible with all peptides. Tirz yes. Ipamorelin and CJC no. There are others, but I don’t know them all.
You apply for it and 2 medical professionals must vouch for you. I’m an RN, had to get one to check for multiple opioid script fills between the “real” script our doc was supposed to be writing.
They can. All medical facilities have NPI numbers.
FlowerFairy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yeah I just got scammed by an IndiaMART vendor trying to buy pens. I’m still sad. I just wanted my pink and green pens!
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
I've found out that it's also not compatible with reta. I didn't think about the sodium adversely interacting with specific peptides and their make up. Only it's compatibility with human fluids and tissue. Now, CJC and Ipamorelin, as well? That's great to know!👍
Here's a legit source https://www.midwiferysupplies.ca/products/bacteriostatic-water-for-injection?variant=30105158404
Around $135 shipped to America. Don't pay those assholes $275
It comes in and out of stock, just set email notifications
Around $135 shipped to America. Don't pay those assholes $275
It comes in and out of stock, just set email notifications
christa_channing
GLP-1 Novice
I found them a couple of days ago and my order is backordered for a few days. It now says "sold out," so I guess a lot of people found them.
Please don't take what I'm about to say below the personally, because I know you're just genuinely trying to be helpful. I just don't know a better way to communicate it.
This is why we can't have nice things.
I struggle daily with the concept of "gatekeeping" because while at my core I truly believe in free and open discussion and exchange of information, I've begrudgingly come to realize that some information is better off left out of the free and open conversation and that most of us need to better develop an instinct to pause and reflect (i.e. bite our tongues) on whether or not certain things are worth sharing when weighed against the negative impact it could have.
Every time the name of a company that sells "wholesale" (the trays of 25) BAC without the silliness of requiring a permission slip gets broadcast to the world it perpetuates this cycle of insanity where the surge of attention causes prices to go up, supplies to get tighter, and some places begin enforcing the permission slip requirement as well. Lately it seems it's even prompted Pfizer to tighten up its distribution to require permission slips even more broadly.
I saw this early on in late 2023 with Farris Labs who at the time were selling a 25-pack for around $60 (along with some other extremely helpful products very low-key and under-the-radar). Someone in one of the less-popular subreddits at the time (long since nuked now) mentioned them having it right after I got into this hobby in early 2023. After paying $19.99 for my first single vial from SAF, it seemed like a no-brainer to grab a tray of 25 for short money. A few short months later they were out of stock and when they re-stocked the price jumped about 25% and that cycle repeated a couple of more times until eventually the price almost quadrupled. (They also eventually were forced to pull all of the other "goodies" they offered as a result of all the attention.) For anyone wondering, their current price is $389.95 and they're out of stock.
It's been getting worse ever since, even though the wholesale cost of around $40 hasn't budged in years. Now the impact is spreading like Covid and any place that sells the stuff for a "reasonable" price starts the snowball effect all over again until their price becomes "unreasonable".
The worst part is, we're doing this to ourselves.
Sadly, because our government overlords at the behest of their big pharma benefactors require a goddamn permission slip to buy certain types of water, we're shooting ourselves in the foot to the point that it won't be long before the "good" stuff becomes unobtanium and we're forced to rely on our Chinese friends to supply as good of a copy as they can cook up on any given day. While I know that just like GLP-1's that will eventually stabilize the prices and supply (and hopefully consistency) of the imported stuff, it's insane that we even have to go down that path.
What's the solution? I have no clue. It's kind of a "the cat is out of the bag" situation, but still frustrating nonetheless. Ultimately in the end like so many little things about this hobby have evolved, I think we'll eventually reach the point where actual Hospira BAC is only something someone closely connected to healthcare or a practitioner will be able to even acquire the stuff and the rest of us will become fully dependent on China for it.
That's all I've got this fine morning, I hope everyone enjoys their day! 🌞
christa_channing
GLP-1 Novice
This is exactly why I didn't say a word when I found it a few days ago.
