How many people do you think are going gray for their supply?

[Chili777]

This is exactly what happened to me. As soon as I googled I had ads popping up on Facebook, TikTok, etc. for the single vial sellers.

What I find hilarious is that all these companies are the same ones running ads all over Reddit, too. Yet you can't mention them in the subs. 😆

 

[Foggy-Hollow]

I actually disagree with that.
Remember that these numbers are based solely on BMI and the US has a very large population of fitness fanatics. Heavily muscled men and women have higher BMIs and are often counted as being obese.

Yes, these are some of the same people that decry BMI as a poor tool.

Yet I’m willing to bet they’re not getting any sort of body fat testing (much less paying up for an accurate test) to back up that claim.

InBody puts my arms at 135th %ile for amount of muscle for a woman. I’m obese, both from BMI and body fat percentage. If I maintain lean body mass, I could get 10 pounds below top end of healthy-BMI before having to consider I might be getting into “athletic” body fat percentages.

In other words it takes a LOT of muscle to truly be BMI-overweight and body-fat athletic.

I used to be a believer that I was one of those until the time I got into “healthy” weight and knew I had plenty of fat left to lose.

 

[Chili777]

Yes, these are some of the same people that decry BMI as a poor tool.

Yet I’m willing to bet they’re not getting any sort of body fat testing (much less paying up for an accurate test) to back up that claim.

InBody puts my arms at 135th %ile for amount of muscle for a woman. I’m obese, both from BMI and body fat percentage. If I maintain lean body mass, I could get 10 pounds below top end of healthy-BMI before having to consider I might be getting into “athletic” body fat percentages.

In other words it takes a LOT of muscle to truly be BMI-overweight and body-fat athletic.

I used to be a believer that I was one of those until the time I got into “healthy” weight and knew I had plenty of fat left to lose.

I've never put a lot of stock in BMI because of my experience. I've never been below 27 in my life. When I was 30, I had a 32" waist and a 52" chest and could bench 280, and I still had a BMI of 28. That's as close as ever got to not being "clinically obese". It's a metric defined by height and weight standards, which is fine, but I don't think it's a consistent measure of obesity to rely on and doctors are now starting to combine it with other metrics, which is good.

 

[HZM808]

I think most start local and from there it's a natural progression to the gray market. I'd venture to guess, gray market popped up peoples radar when they were googling things like dosing. I know it did for me. Both YT and Reddit. Reddit is where I learnt about this forum.

Pretty much verbatim how it went for me!

 

[Foggy-Hollow]

I've never put a lot of stock in BMI because of my experience. I've never been below 27 in my life. When I was 30, I had a 32" waist and a 52" chest and could bench 280, and I still had a BMI of 28. That's as close as ever got to not being "clinically obese". It's a metric defined by height and weight standards, which is fine, but I don't think it's a consistent measure of obesity to rely on and doctors are now starting to combine it with other metrics, which is good.

BMI was developed by the insurance industry as a measure of risk. Higher BMI means higher likelihood of adverse health events. It’s a large count, statistical measure. For the broader population it’s by definition telling them it’s not healthy to be heavy.

Here’s the newer measures being developed (lancet link) for anyone interested: https://www.thelancet.com/infographics-do/clinical-obesity-25

Here’s an article from AP, they seem to think the misclassification shuffle will about equal out: skinny-fat and athletic-yet-heavy trading places in the obese category.

Moving away from BMI, experts propose a new definition for obesity

New recommendations on how to define obesity would reduce the emphasis on body mass index and also take into account health problems from extra weight and other measurements.

apnews.com

Maybe you’re an exception. But it’s not common and more than a few people think they’re an exception to BMI. Body fat is a better measure.

 

[MsGizmo]

BMI was developed by the insurance industry as a measure of risk. Higher BMI means higher likelihood of adverse health events. It’s a large count, statistical measure. For the broader population it’s by definition telling them it’s not healthy to be heavy.

Here’s the newer measures being developed (lancet link) for anyone interested: https://www.thelancet.com/infographics-do/clinical-obesity-25

Here’s an article from AP, they seem to think the misclassification shuffle will about equal out: skinny-fat and athletic-yet-heavy trading places in the obese category.

Moving away from BMI, experts propose a new definition for obesity

New recommendations on how to define obesity would reduce the emphasis on body mass index and also take into account health problems from extra weight and other measurements.

apnews.com

Maybe you’re an exception. But it’s not common and more than a few people think they’re an exception to BMI. Body fat is a better measure.

Oh God, no. I am absolutely obese. No question. I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that the US also has a large number of people who take steroids and that they could be counted as obese based only on BMI. The difference between a "healthy" weight and being obese for a 6 foot tall man is only 40 pounds.