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I am seeing that most of the vendors only accept Janoshik test results for refunds/reships. Fair enough, they have a great reputation and have been around forever.

So that kind of begs the question on why people go any where else? It cant be to save money, cause if it is a bad batch, you then have to go through jano anyways to get a reship.

What am I missing?
 
koffea said:
I am seeing that most of the vendors only accept Janoshik test results for refunds/reships. Fair enough, they have a great reputation and have been around forever.

So that kind of begs the question on why people go any where else? It cant be to save money, cause if it is a bad batch, you then have to go through jano anyways to get a reship.

What am I missing?
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I would say Nothing, unless it is for peace of mind and lower cost sending elsewhere.
 
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Several vendors have started accepting other lab results. You or GBOs just have to check with them first. In fact, I don’t remember who it was but one of them said they’d only accept Freedom results now.

But to answer your question about why some groups are using other labs now, there are a few answers:
1) Speed - Not having to ship vials to the Czech Republic and then wait for Jano to run them gets the results back faster. (Like BNLFL said, Jano is very backed up these days.)
2) Customs - A lot of samples have been seized heading to Jano lately.
3) Cost - Many of the domestic labs are cheaper on the analytical cost itself, and even more so when you factor in domestic shipping versus international shipping, it adds up.
4) Some are just annoyed with Jano - Uther got annoyed about the way copper content was displayed. Some are annoyed about the data breaches. Some are annoyed that their samples fall into a black hole at times. Some are annoyed by how they manage their emails with random people handling whatever is in the inbox rather than following an order all the way through the process with a single person.

Even for vendors who still only accept Jano results, what I’ve seen lately is people sending samples to a domestic lab and then if those results come back bad, then the follow up by sending samples to Jano to confirm and meet the requirements for the vendor guarantee. More times than not, the samples pass and then they’ve gotten the results back faster and been able to ship product out to their buyers faster so they can move on to the next organized buy.
 
There are a great number of group buys happening out there, where they can negotiate with the suppliers the test results that will be acceptable. Maybe that's where the demand for alternatives comes from. That and people who just want to get their gear tested.
 
I use Jano, and have not had problems with customs. This last package I sent was 4 days total from my drop off on the US west coast to being received by Jano. 4 days isnt bad at all. sent UPS

they are taking longer to do the testing though, but I have time.

also, I wasnt aware of the data breaches, that is concerning
 
I’m hearing a lot of good things about Freedom, but when I go to their website I don’t see any price listings, same for other labs that seem to have a good rep here, like MZ Labs and BT labs. It seems like a “contact for pricing info” sitch? Is this what others have found? Am I internetting wrong? 😅 (I’m always leery of “inquire for price” for anything because it makes me think they may have variable / surge pricing.)

The only other non-Jano labs I’ve seen with price lists are peptidetest, Chromate and Vanguard (partial price list, but endo and sterility might be inquiry only).

For Freedom, BT and MZ, how are you finding out their prices? I’d like to be able to comparison shop pricing & test for less time and $ than Jano for my non-essential peptides that aren’t available [as soon as I’d like] in GBs.
 
HouseCat said:
I’m hearing a lot of good things about Freedom, but when I go to their website I don’t see any price listings, same for other labs that seem to have a good rep here, like MZ Labs and BT labs. It seems like a “contact for pricing info” sitch? Is this what others have found? Am I internetting wrong? 😅 (I’m always leery of “inquire for price” for anything because it makes me think they may have variable / surge pricing.)

The only other non-Jano labs I’ve seen with price lists are peptidetest, Chromate and Vanguard (partial price list, but endo and sterility might be inquiry only).

For Freedom, BT and MZ, how are you finding out their prices? I’d like to be able to comparison shop pricing & test for less time and $ than Jano for my non-essential peptides that aren’t available [as soon as I’d like] in GBs.
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Freedom labs shows pricing. It may be in the download intake forms.

Bill
 
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For Freedom, BT and MZ, how are you finding out their prices?
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Yes, people are contacting the for quotes. I’m in a group that’s gotten pricing from a bunch of them. I can tell you that of the ones they got quotes on for a GLP test, BT and Testides were the least expensive M/P test, but BT is the most expensive for endo and Testides doesn’t offer it at all. And then prices vary for other compounds.

Maybe just don’t want to have these big price sheets on the website for simplicity. Not sure if that’s the driver or not, but just shoot them an email or fill out the contact form and shouldn’t take too terribly long to get a quote from them for exactly what you want test.
 
A question for the long term testers. I’ll be doing my own testing with freedom. My concern with freedom is that they are so inexpensive. I want to test my KLOW and freedom is 25% of the cost Jano charges to test KLOW. I’m probably going to test Reta, Tirz, ss31, motsC, NAD+ and KLOW. Are any of these a waste of money to test?

Thanks,
Bill
 
Dos-Dox said:
Yes, people are contacting the for quotes. I’m in a group that’s gotten pricing from a bunch of them. I can tell you that of the ones they got quotes on for a GLP test, BT and Testides were the least expensive M/P test, but BT is the most expensive for endo and Testides doesn’t offer it at all. And then prices vary for other compounds.

Maybe just don’t want to have these big price sheets on the website for simplicity. Not sure if that’s the driver or not, but just shoot them an email or fill out the contact form and shouldn’t take too terribly long to get a quote from them for exactly what you want test.
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I’m leading a test group right now for a batch of elora and have been getting quotes and have to say that I’ve been really impressed with Freedom. Out of all the “other” labs, the communications from Freedom have been the most professional, detailed, and quick. After getting the quote from Freedom, I asked a follow up question about elora’s “ring” structure, and the response was thoughtful and thorough. I’m not sure what the group will decide or if the testing will actually launch. If not, I think I would use Freedom all by myself.
 
Whiynot20026 said:
A question for the long term testers. I’ll be doing my own testing with freedom. My concern with freedom is that they are so inexpensive. I want to test my KLOW and freedom is 25% of the cost Jano charges to test KLOW. I’m probably going to test Reta, Tirz, ss31, motsC, NAD+ and KLOW. Are any of these a waste of money to test?
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Personally, I avoid paying for testing. I usually use GBs. If I have something without a COA, I say a silent prayer to the universe, lol. And I check out TG for any related COAs, third-party results (even for just previous batches), or at least reported issues.

For any vial/kit with trust issues, a baby dose for the first dose is ideal.

Another approach is to wait at least a month to see if any issues are reported.

My other approaches for mitigating risk would be:

For reta and tirz, I can go by feelz if need be, starting with a small dose.

For SS-31 and MOTS-c, there is usually no risk with overfill/overdose. A study with MOTS-c used 25 mg. With SS-31, 40 mg.

For NAD+, the big concern is endos. But you can mitigate with splitting the doses. Like wait at least an hour for the next split dose. Or just later in the day.

With KLOW, nothing toxic per se if overdosed except the copper in GHK-Cu. But you can do blood tests for copper levels. And even crazy overfill would be okay.
 
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Calm Logic said:
Personally, I avoid paying for testing. I usually use GBs. If I have something without a COA, I say a silent prayer to the universe, lol. And I check out TG for any related COAs or reported issues.

For reta and tirz, I can go by feelz if need be.

For SS-31 and MOTS-c, there is usually no risk over overdose. A study with MOTS-c used 25 mg. With SS-31, 40 mg.

For NAD+, the big concern is endos. But you can mitigate with splitting the doses. Like wait at least an hour for the next split dose. Or just later in the day.

With KLOW, nothing toxic per se if overdosed except the copper in GHK-Cu. But you can do blood tests for copper levels. And even crazy overfill would be okay.
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I appreciate the reply. Extremely helpful.

Bill
 
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