Nexaph testing

[noteablequotable]

Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Yes, that's correct.

TP is Trust Point, they're kind of like the parent company of Peptide Test

 

[keangkong]

Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.

I agree. If you use a lab to provide testing results that you ask others to rely upon in buying from you, then the buyer should be able to use the same lab and have those results honored. If the seller doesn't trust that lab's results, then the seller should post COAs from that lab.

 

[chmuse]

Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.

Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.

 

[keangkong]

Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.

I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?

 

[keangkong]

How is a third party app refusing to complete a transaction a vendors fault though? It's a shitty situation, but.....idk what we expect to happen here and yet another risk of dealing in the industry.

The vendor chooses to accept certain payment methods. If those don't work, I'll definitely blame the vendor.

 

[noteablequotable]

Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.

I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?

Some folks are looking into this and it definitely seems like there has been more than one instance involving Vanguard. From what I've been told there is also one instance involving a different testing company, but no pattern of behavior established yet. That's about all I can say for now.

 

[chmuse]

I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?

Some folks are looking into this and it definitely seems like there has been more than one instance involving Vanguard. From what I've been told there is also one instance involving a different testing company, but no pattern of behavior established yet. That's about all I can say for now.

I defer to notable on this one; he will be significantly more informed than I am.

 

[zpped]

To be fair (not that he deserves it at this point) there is currently some drama around whether or not specific labs have been fudging their tests. Sucks for us as customers.

thats just vanguard and they are suspected of overestimating, not under.

Not taking TP tests is just stupid. But so are 99% guarantees.

Edit to add: this isn't the only incident with vanguard. it's a building pile of things people are compiling.

 

[noteablequotable]

thats just vanguard and they are suspected of overestimating, not under.

Not taking TP tests is just stupid. But so are 99% guarantees.

Edit to add: this isn't the only incident with vanguard. it's a building pile of things people are compiling.

It's not just Vanguard, but I am one of the people helping compile information about them specifically. I don't really want to talk about it much because some labs and vendors are more active on these forums than others and it benefits us when they don't know what we're doing.

 

[penewbie]

I want to meet the person that is unwilling to inject from a batch tested 1x at 98.6% at Peptide test, and 3x at >99% from Jano.

Does that person even exist? Probably not.

At this point it sounds like ya'll are a bunch of whiny bitches who just want some free shit.
Doesn't have anything to do with quality or purity or product, just plain greed.

 

[noteablequotable]

At this point it sounds like ya'll are a bunch of whiny bitches who just want some free shit.

Since you feel so passionate about testing standards, tell us, who exactly do you think is a "whiny bitch"? Name some names please.

 

[noteablequotable]

You're not the boss of me.


The point of reship agreement is to replace subpar quality product, which, this isn't, as confirmed by Janoshik.

But for some reason it got twisted up in certain people's head that they deserve some free shit.

Who said anything about Cain or his family, who the fuck even cares?

I never said I was the boss of you or ordered you to do anything, I asked for clarification because you seem very upset with some people for doing some thing (unclear to be honest), and decided to hop into a basically dead thread to start cussing everyone out.

You are being very aggro for no reason.

 

[penewbie]

I never said I was the boss of you or ordered you to do anything, I asked for clarification because you seem very upset with some people for doing some thing (unclear to be honest), and decided to hop into a basically dead thread to start cussing everyone out.

You are being very aggro for no reason.

Hopped on a basically dead thread? There was a comment 5 minutes before mine, and an entire page of comments today alone.

This is probably one of the most active threads on the forum.

And yes, I'm annoyed that people are spamming this topic across every platform I'm on, it's inescapable.

 

[noteablequotable]

And yes, I'm annoyed that people are spamming this topic across every platform I'm on, it's inescapable.

What do you want us to do about that? I don't even know which other forums you're talking about.

 

[penewbie]

What do you want us to do about that? I don't even know which other forums you're talking about.

What happened to you disengaging? I kinda liked that.

 

[noteablequotable]

What happened to you disengaging? I kinda liked that.

Your wish is my command. You'll never hear from me again.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I think we can all agree it’s a pretty bad look to market yourself on a purity guarantee, fund testing of your products, and then not honor the guarantee when the testing you funded returns a result that falls under the threshold. Maybe he is technically in the right, he wouldn’t be the only one to require Jano reports for reship (which is totally reasonable), but he prob should have considered this potential outcome when choosing labs to fund testing with. Oops.

 

[acat31]

While I understand the concerns about this company, I do have to say that I have probably learned more in this thread than any others, from both users and critics, and I certainly have yet to see any other vendor engage this much. So, thanks all.

 

[nccane]

The vendor chooses to accept certain payment methods. If those don't work, I'll definitely blame the vendor.

A bank transfer is a payment method. Wise is an app people choose to use. Wise is essentially the senders bank in this case.

 

[nccane]

Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.

I got no dog in the fight and I'm not taking up for him. I expressed the same view directly to him in his server. Trustpointe is the labm peptide test is a 3rd party marketing person for trustpointe.

He got most of them tested a tp and jano. He was just utilizing tp because the results would come in quickly and then the jano would come back mid shipment. So he tested with both. But always claimed jano was the lab for gurantee purposes.

This batch was marketed with a jano vendor coa. It's him using both jano and tp on other batches where the lines blur and potentially confused people.

He ultimately paid for two of his own tests, and 2 more 3rd party tests including vial reimbursement. Way more than most vendors would do. He deserves some flack for things that have happened. I personally dont think this is one people should die on their sword for. No matter which side of the fence you may sit on