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I'm 100% sure that's why he's doing it, I just wanted to clarify that it's not necessarily unreasonable.
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I'm 100% sure that's why he's doing it, I just wanted to clarify that it's not necessarily unreasonable.
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I will say this:
if he trusts TP enough to use them and sponsor 3rd party tests that use them, he should accept their results for the purposes of issuing refunds / reshipments.
Oh for sure. I'm not disagreeing with you either fwiw.
At the end of the day, it's a business.
I know a lot of people here do not trust Cain. From what I have read, some have good reasons. Especially the weird relationship between him and Dionysus. Personally, I have had good experiences with Nexaph. He responds promptly to inquiries, and for the one reship I received I didn’t need to do anything. I would not have even known anything was wrong with the batch if Cain didn’t tell me. If he did do some shady things in the past, he seems to be trying to make up for it.
Dont disagree. But not going to downplay the conundrum of the gold standard testing a vial from a kit and giving it a 99.9% after TP tested it at 98.6.
It's a shitty situation. I guess as a business. If you can afford it, you just reship and move on to avoid backlash.
But this is messy. Could have been avoided by not mudding the waters by utilizing tp for vendor tests to cross check Jano.
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I don't think anyone here has disputed that. We know he's no Cantydes.
Bad results happen, and, I feel like I've already beat this horse to death, but imho HOW the bad results happened and the lack of risk controls to prevent this problem from occuring in the future is an issue for me.
I can appreciate that.
Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…
Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.
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Yes, that's correct.
TP is Trust Point, they're kind of like the parent company of Peptide Test
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I agree. If you use a lab to provide testing results that you ask others to rely upon in buying from you, then the buyer should be able to use the same lab and have those results honored. If the seller doesn't trust that lab's results, then the seller should post COAs from that lab.
Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.
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I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?
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The vendor chooses to accept certain payment methods. If those don't work, I'll definitely blame the vendor.
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Some folks are looking into this and it definitely seems like there has been more than one instance involving Vanguard. From what I've been told there is also one instance involving a different testing company, but no pattern of behavior established yet. That's about all I can say for now.
I defer to notable on this one; he will be significantly more informed than I am.
it's impossible to prove that they got that test wrong but imo it's highly, highly likely that they screwed it up. there was something close to a dozen other 3rd party tests from that batch sent to different labs (and we even used a second vial from the same kit that started this whole mess) and they all came back in the same 48-50mg range including overfill.
yes, the seller (sry in this case) screwed up to start by pitching these kits as 60mg (and then later finding out shortly after some kits were delivered that they were actually 45mg...with some overfill, so inline with the 48-50mg range). this person got their kit back very quickly before the mixup was caught by SRY, and listed 60mg of tirz on the intake form when she dropped off the vial in person at vanguard since she lived in olympia.
folks can obviously have their own interpretations of what this all means, but with the amount of tests that we've done in the aftermath it's just simply a bridge too far for me to believe that vanguard just happened to get the only 60mg vial in an ocean full of 45-50mg kits. manufacturing doesn't work like that, you're not gonna end up with one single vial with 64mg total when everything else is in the 45-50mg range (including overfill).
either they're new/incompetent or they're outright lazy/dishonest and just read the intake form and gave some bs overfill to make it look legit is my stance on it.
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I think what you say is reasonable. I at least had enough faith in SRY that I ordered from them after the incident. Still it does seem to blackball Vanguard based simply on one test. I was wondering if there other incidents of suspicious weights from Vanguard.
with 3rd party lab testing i feel like it's very important for them to maintain a good-to-high standard at all times. once that trust is broken, even if it's just once, at least to me it's gone for good.
to my knowledge i'm not aware of jano or TP screwing up on something like this (fill wise). sure, there's differences in purity/fill from lab to lab but they're still in the same ballpark.
if i can't have full confidence in my lab test results that i'm paying very handsomely for (with a reasonable margin for error of course) then it defeats the purpose of testing imo.
everyone's mileage will vary though. i pay for testing so that i can feel better and more comfortable about my gray market purchases. there's really not much that vanguard could do for me moving forward that could ever make me feel comfortable or confident in their standards again.
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thats just vanguard and they are suspected of overestimating, not under.
Not taking TP tests is just stupid. But so are 99% guarantees.
Edit to add: this isn't the only incident with vanguard. it's a building pile of things people are compiling.
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It's not just Vanguard, but I am one of the people helping compile information about them specifically. I don't really want to talk about it much because some labs and vendors are more active on these forums than others and it benefits us when they don't know what we're doing.
