zacharyjl3
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Why not? I just ordered from them.
Nexaph
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kjones1122
Brand New Member
How often are the Retatrutide kits restocked?
people are constantly asking as soon as that last kit is sold. mods usually say "within a week or so"
I think the issue is probably not in the puck itself, but in how long it lasts in the fridge. I have another kit from them that doesn't have that issue, and ones from other companies that don't have that issue.
I honestly suspect they'll pull a amo/bff and make a new website with someone else's PayPal info or something. Maybe go with alipay.
There was a whole todo last summer/fall, RIGHT before I started pepping. So all my knowledge is secondhand from asking the oldies and digging through old discord and forum threads.
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Interpersonal drama that has nothing to do with the product itself.
That’s how nexa framed the response to their deceitful behavior, which was a concern precisely because it foreshadowed the behavior we’re seeing now. It is very much related to product quality.
I'm talking specifically about the STG incident, though I suppose I could have been given the wrong story. The screenshots seemed to corroborate that it was a misunderstanding.
ah gotcha. i don't know much about that.
What is happening with them? I just made an order with them and now I am concerned?
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Nothing new to worry about, IMHO. Just think twice before getting NAD+ from them.
Divide By Zero
Brand New Member
Yea everything else has been great, which is what influenced my decision to trust the pre-order. I decided to just go ahead and use it, though I really have no idea the resultant dosage given the meltback/degradation. It's my first time with NAD+, though I have been supplementing 500mg of sublingual NMN's up until this point. The plan was 50mg NAD+ pre-workout on workout days, and sublingual NMN's the remainder. I'm hoping that Janoshik posted above holds true, but something just feels off with the whole situation. Currently keeping eyes out for PGB restock.
I will say at the very least, there is zero site reaction with the NAD+, so there's that.
I will say at the very least, there is zero site reaction with the NAD+, so there's that.
Which product had the cardboard chunks in the vials? Or did we move on from that one already?
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
I keep forgetting to take my memory supplements, haha.
What vendor accidentally gave out reta instead of something else (tirz?) or vice versa?
I see now it was SRY:
What vendor accidentally gave out reta instead of something else (tirz?) or vice versa?
I see now it was SRY:
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Super Trips
GLP-1 Enthusiast
this is the problem the same people who hate cain from the past start typing and then we get all these comments about cains past and future orders are now a problem.
I posted these people 6 months ago ill do it again dont listen to these old bitter sea crabs and just do your own ordering.
well manner troll knew this as well and he even ordered from cain
I posted these people 6 months ago ill do it again dont listen to these old bitter sea crabs and just do your own ordering.
well manner troll knew this as well and he even ordered from cain
I mean the cardboard chunks thing and the melty NAD both happened this month, and are both the result of a guy in his garage still learning to cook the stuff you’re injecting into your body. The framing of it as ancient history isn’t really accurate
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
100%
Adults can make an informed decision about the risks of injecting things made in labs in china and then sold here with no guarantees around the quality control, actual contents of the vials, etc. Kids can't. And I understand financial situations can be rough, but if the options are no GLP-1 for a kid and a grey market one, I still think avoiding the chinese drug dealers is the correct choice. Risks from obesity get worse as you age - I'm not saying it's great for a kid, by any means, but when you compare the risk profile for a minor being fat vs. injecting the unapproved salt form of a drug from a manufacturer/finisher where you have no legal recourse if anything goes wrong, the latter seems like way more of a risk than I think you should be asking a kid to take.
Just burns like spyro’s breath
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Meh. The same is true of every vendor.
Your hard on for knocking him specifically is kinda strange. Really strange.
This is the first I have ever publicly criticized him, I believe. When I first joined, I asked a lot of questions, then started suggesting him to newbies. I kept my mouth shut about a batch I have issues with, because I'm not paying for testing for a $120 kit based on feelz especially when no one else voiced issues with it. Now I'm saying the NAD is unprofessional.
I don't have a hard on for knocking him specifically. 🙄 I spent six months sending people his way including people IRL.
Pretty sure Bee considers me one of his shills.
I've also criticized AMO for stinging, Sry and QSC for dirty vials, TUK for not fixing zero pep, ZYH for poor communication.
You don't owe anyone a fucking explanation when you are sharing YOUR experience with a vendor... ever. 💖
Calm Logic
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zpped
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Nah, he knows you were just impressionable. I've seen him say semi-nice things about you.
Personal side rant though. I think shill get's thrown around WAY too casually in these circles. They absolutely exist but are much more rare than just uninformed fandoms and disciples.
Shills are definitely worse but fortunately the majority of them are very obvious and we delete their accounts daily.
Semi nice? From Bee? That's quite the compliment from him. 😍
The longer I'm around the more I see the.... Almost cults that form. So many GB's have things go wrong, but people won't say anything for months until they get their stuff and the test back. By that point, three more buys have gone down. Even then, people don't want to say anything because the fans will come after them, and the GBO's now have their info- one refused to send me my product without a full first and last name. All I had put was first name last initial.
Same for vendors, I try not to say anything about Nexa because some of his customers base is as bad as Swifties. Same thing happens with STG people sometimes. I think it's part of the territory, we've all got to be at least a little crazy to be injecting ourselves with this stuff. It's not always the people running the group at fault.
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Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Do I need to link to the little rascals again? 🙄
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
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As is your hard on for unconsidered, reactive defense of one specific vendor. Quite odd when you think about it.
Okay I have to backtrack here. I somehow came upon an 8 page thread from back in October/November 2024 that I quite literally fell asleep reading and had to pick back up this morning.
Talk about beating a dead horse.
It's clear that no matter what Cain has to offer, tries to fix, brings to the table (whatever), there are people that will always be 100% against his business, products or the identities he created. Shame on him for wanting to protect his real identity and wanting to separate his identity between both of his businesses.
Like someone had said in many previous posts - it's wild to have people still ALL IN with these shady Chinese vendors that have sold tested vials containing ZERO percent of the actual product in the vial without a care in the world and people CONTINUE to purchase from them.
Is it not common practice for one owner to own multiple businesses under one umbrella that will support the growth of each individual business under the umbrella? In America, this is a thing.
I am glad I came across that other thread on here. It helped me form my own opinion. I have spent a few thousand on Cains products and I have yet to have had a bad batch or a throw away vial.
Talk about beating a dead horse.
It's clear that no matter what Cain has to offer, tries to fix, brings to the table (whatever), there are people that will always be 100% against his business, products or the identities he created. Shame on him for wanting to protect his real identity and wanting to separate his identity between both of his businesses.
Like someone had said in many previous posts - it's wild to have people still ALL IN with these shady Chinese vendors that have sold tested vials containing ZERO percent of the actual product in the vial without a care in the world and people CONTINUE to purchase from them.
Is it not common practice for one owner to own multiple businesses under one umbrella that will support the growth of each individual business under the umbrella? In America, this is a thing.
I am glad I came across that other thread on here. It helped me form my own opinion. I have spent a few thousand on Cains products and I have yet to have had a bad batch or a throw away vial.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
If Cain is so great, why did he knowingly ship NAD+ that looked like garbage? All you need is a side glance to see it's horrible. It's not like small black pieces in vials that would require basic quality control.
Does he even look at the stuff he is shipping anymore? Or does he just not care anymore? Because it seems it has to be one or the other, or both.
Does he even look at the stuff he is shipping anymore? Or does he just not care anymore? Because it seems it has to be one or the other, or both.
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Fisherman2356
GLP-1 Member
I've ordered few times from him without a problem. Also, I seem to have gotten the effects i was looking for (meaning lost weight on his Tirze) though I have never tested myself any of his products. to me I don't give a shit who he is, or what he says or does so long as his product is good. I also don't consider the price (difference) an issue since he's not forcing anyone to buy. Until someone shows me that his product is no good (via third party testing) I see no reason to switch to someone else (again, his products are more expensive but not deal breaking for me, considering the convenience and the fact the delta in price is negligible when considering time frame the product lasts i.e. $100 higher price for T30 kit which for most people lasts over a year, is equal to roughly 25 cents per day. Plus, his preorder prices are in ballpark with other vendors. The ordering process from start to delivery has been impeccable. I only buy Glp1's from him so not concerned about any other of his products. So please provide proof (found anywhere on the web) that his product is not testing as claimed and I'll never order from him again. the rest of chatter (pro and against) sounds more like child talk to me. For those that think I'm shilling for him I couldn't give a fuck if either you nor him dropped dead tomorrow morning (of course would never wish that on anyone, but annoyed that people go astray in so many directions, and all it really matters is we get quality product at reasonable prices and easy ordering process for me at least). To each their own.
Fisherman2356
GLP-1 Member
Cain is the biggest scumbag to have ever lived. The guy deserves a bullet between his eyes. Afre you happy now. Give me a fucking break dude. Who gives a shit about him or anybody else of the suppliers. We should only care that we get exactly what we paid for, even if it came from SATAN. Do some group testing of his products so we at least can tell if his product is good or not or shut the fuck up. Grow fucking up people, it's getting annoying dealing with kindergarten mentality.
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
So if someone else gets garbage, that's okay. As long as it didn't happen to me, yet?
I think the key is to not have "all in" for any business.
The ability to bounce back from an issue is directly proportionate to the level of the issue and the methods used to remediate the problem.
Additionally, the assessment of what would be considered an "issue" can sometimes be arbitrary and based on an individuals personal opinion.
IE: Saying you are a model and posting pretty pictures to me is a non issue- saying you are a manufacturer- again non-issue, saying you are shipping from mars- non issue for me again.
Shipping out zero peps and not replacing= major issue
Taking $$ and disappearing=major issue
Shipping contaminated meds=major issue
So if SRY has spots and Cain/SNP/Nexaph has cardboard- I question both equally, i do not care if one was bigger or easier to see- it is what you don't see that is most concerning.
Will i use either of them again, probably-
If I cut out every manufacturer of food/drugs/whatever there would be no one left to buy from.
Do I want them to do the right thing? yes!
I would be more likely to cut someone off for a disregard towards customer experience than a mistake on manufacturing.
The horse is not dead, the NAD just happened, the horse appears to be gathering flies for sure.
Maybe it is time to reassess QC and get better, but I would highly suggest damage control.
PS, I have used and am satisfied with what I have received from Cain, but that does not = a free pass or fan club membership.
They all need to do better and we need to not give free passes to any or unfairly attack any.
I did not stop drinking Coca-Cola when they had new coke, I just waited for them to fix their recipe.
Fisherman2356
GLP-1 Member
I don't think you are reading/understanding it correctly (what I wrote). To me ONLY product quality is that matters, and that can only be established by testing. I know some issues have pooped up on his other products i.e. NAD but I'm not buying NAD from him and would also advise others not to. I've ordered for 5-6 people (family and friends) only GPL1's btw and I've had no quality issues to speak of. I'm frustrated because I've yet to hear someone post any proof that his product has either not worked for them or has not tested as expected. Please provide such proof, as I'd love to have a real reason not to order from him (but the fact that he is an asshole doesn't mean shit to me) since we all know his prices are indeed a bit higher.
I literally bought a ss31 kit from him like, last month.
I just think his current handling of the situation is unprofessional. Maybe he comes back from it, we'll see. SRY was on my shit list, then they weren't, now they are again. GYC was on my shit list, but made up for it and came back better.
And until now I'd never mentioned the kit I had an issue with, specifically because it's a feelz thing and I'm not paying for testing. I shouldn't have brought it up. My other sema kit from him is fine. 🤷♀️
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
It doesn't help that you write in a single block of text 🙂
It's not any single issue for me like NAD, it's the trend of them lately that I find worrisome (like the cardboard and specks in vials). His pricing for single vials like MOTS-c is another sign of the times.
So the concern is that Cain today may not be the Cain of yesterday, especially given financial incentives to look the other way. (Thanks to a new stream of newbies from TikTok, etc., now that compounding pharmacies may be running out of luck.)
So the ones who have had the last straw with Cain see him as like a peptide....only degrading over time, or at least being like PGB in that they both are not what they used to be, if they ever were:
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Fisherman2356
GLP-1 Member
Actually, I appreciate (greatly) anyone posting when they have an issue with any of products and any suppliers. That is exactly what I'm here for, to hear and listen about other people experiences with various products/suppliers and then I can make an informed decision. So, no need IMO to justify the fact you wrote about the issue. Actually, thanks for bringing it up and letting everyone know. What I'm not here for is talking about other people's morals.
Divide By Zero
Brand New Member
That's been my whole issue with him.. not accepting responsibility for a garbage product (NAD+). Instead, he tried to gaslight me saying it was CrYsTalLiZaTiOn. Bullshit, Cain. This is nothing but an ego play for him right now. His cultists have built him up so much that he can't accept he screwed up, so he's dug in. It sounds like he doesn't even see what gets shipped, so using one Janoshik test as the reference when all these kits are going out with wildly different quality is highly flawed. He would have come out much further ahead had he just cut his losses, made an announcement something like "hey, this just doesn't cut it. I'm giving refunds for those that want and will work to improve the process moving forward." But nope. His other products have been great. He should just stick to what he (or his source) knows. It's apparently beyond his capability to both produce NAD+ and accept failure.
I usually don't want to comment on feelz without a test to back it up.
For full transparency, this is the batch, so if anyone else has it and loves the feels please speak up.
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I love these guys who disregard the fact that the guy openly admits he is experimenting on products that y’all are injecting (and obviously failing based on the NAD sludge and shit in the vials), and acts like it is some personality conflict. I get it, Nexa takes PayPal, but you can’t just ignore the part where it’s a guy who doesn’t know what he is doing trying to start a lab and selling you the iffy products. I saw this coming from the beginning.
I agree with you. This too is where I am at. He gets a ridiculous amount of inquiries about NAD+. I saw the announcement. He made it clear that it looked like garbage and if some did come melted, send a message and he would take care of it. From there he left it up to the buyers before releasing the preorder. To me, seems transparent. I purchased the NAD+. Ive been using said NAD+. Did it look great? No. Was it effect? Yes. Did i buy it at my own risk? Yes. Does it burn? Absolutely yes for about 2-3min.
Cain could have said “hey we made the NAD+. Ran into some issues. Cosmetically it looks terrible. Tested fine but i threw it away anyways” i am sure he would have had alot of people saying they would have bought it anyway.
Iamnew2this
GLP-1 Specialist
I do agree about the NAD. The NAD should not have been shipped.
I am honestly curious about this part.
He claims he is from China= we do not believe
He claims he is a manufacturer= we do believe?
How do we choose what to believe from any of them? Do you know something we do not but are not saying? It is a bit confusing which facts to believe and which to call lies?
Is he making statements regarding formulas as a distributor talking about the manufacturer he uses or is it he has his on lab?
Isn't SRY one of the few that folks also believe have a lab?
I also find it coincidental that the same time Nexaph had the cheap "ugly" tirz another CN vendor had a sale on Ugly Pucks.
Bee, your cardboard post changed the way i think/talk about all, but how can we not be equally as upset about all the old favorites?
I am sincerely confused about all of this...
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
Marijuana is legal in Arizona, so here we don't have a lot of cognitive dissonance (or cognition to have dissonance) 🙃
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Wait! Where do I find the SATAN vendor? His peps must be fire! I currently buy KISS PEPTIDES... the Gene Simmons is R20, Paul is T30, Ace is T15 and Peter is S10....
Calm Logic
GLP-1 Specialist
The vendor name Uther does remind me of something devilish like Lex Luthor or something else.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Slightly confused. Additionally, Cain is legit my brother in law. Resides in Pueblo, CO and is only their public affairs guy, he has nothing to do with QC.... He likes to be called Sutter Cain like the evil writer from the movie In The Mouth of Madness... charges me 20% extra cuz I'm family and then tells me he gave me the "friend" price.
Airborne Daddy
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I would absolutely try Lex Luther and the Legion of Doom peptide Co. Hahahaha
