Peptide Jail Time

tcpnomad said:
So, you were very sure that there was actually no law. And the other guy posted some in quite some detail.

Then you changed your tune entirely, and want to be shown actual prosecutions.

I'd just like you to admit that you have no clue about any of this, and are just mouthing off 😛.

It doesn't hurt to be well-informed. Better than making wild assumptions. The other guy is not "scaring people". It's good info.
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CNCCurrency said:
Show me a user that has been prosecuted for buying any of these, not including hgh
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Rare occasion we agree. I agree. Been on Meso 10 years and only dealers got pinched for even steroids. Individuals received customs seizure letters for 1500 worth of shit and more, basically saying if you dispute the seizure, come discuss it.... Noone staked out the address or post office. Noones dedicating assets, surveillance and door kickers to waste 30k taxpayer money for a 50 vial test cyp bust....
 
CNCCurrency said:
Why post this shit? Yelling fire is fucking stupid!! Quit trying to scare folks
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I'll post it then.

Ron DeFranco – an Illinois resident was convicted of mail fraud, illegal distribution of human growth hormone and money‑laundering for selling peptides that he had purchased from suppliers in the People’s Republic of China. He was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison in 2014 .

Justin Bradley Watkins – a Utah‑licensed osteopathic physician was indicted in 2026 for receiving, labeling and selling mis‑branded peptides imported from China to more than 200 patients. He faces federal charges of receipt and delivery of misbranded drugs with intent to defraud .

United Kingdom – Antoine Christopher Kolias – convicted for importing and selling unlicensed medicines (including peptide‑type products such as sildenafil‑based “natural remedies”) to customers in the UK. He was sentenced to 3½ years in Southwark Crown Court after UK Border Force seized parcels containing thousands of doses that originated in China and other Far‑East sources.

International – Operation Pangea XVII (global bust) – an INTERPOL‑coordinated sweep that resulted in 769 arrests across 90 countries and the seizure of millions of doses of unapproved peptide‑based products (e.g., BPC‑157, ipamorelin, melanotan). The operation targeted criminal networks that imported the substances from China for resale, but individual court judgments have been issued only at the national level; no single foreign jurisdiction has published a public court opinion that focuses solely on a private buyer’s conviction.

---But these are for reselling, not just buying
 
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nitetrak said:
I'll post it then.

Ron DeFranco – an Illinois resident was convicted of mail fraud, illegal distribution of human growth hormone and money‑laundering for selling peptides that he had purchased from suppliers in the People’s Republic of China. He was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison in 2014 

Justin Bradley Watkins – a Utah‑licensed osteopathic physician was indicted in 2026 for receiving, labeling and selling mis‑branded peptides imported from China to more than 200 patients. He faces federal charges of receipt and delivery of misbranded drugs with intent to defraud .

---But these are for reselling, not just buying
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You can't follow instructions. I said excluding hgh. Not to mention money laundering. So not buying then. Good job on not proving your point. Well done!!!!
 
Sir Chuck said:
Appreciate the responses. More than once, when I have discussed peptides with others, I get this look of worry, like they fear I'm heading down some dark road of evil--only one step away from running guns, smoking crack, or becoming a pimp lord.
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Yet its considered normal and legal for small children to use amphetamine salts smh
 
They will have to prove that you actually imported a medical product, that is, a biologically active substance. And identify what that substance is.

There is no simple, standard test that can unambiguously identify reta or tirz. The HPLC-UV and MS à la Janoshik are not enough. There are more than 10³⁵ possible permutations of the sequence. More advanced analytical techniques are required, which will take weeks or months and cost tens of thousands of dollars.

No customs agency is going to do that when all they have to do is throw the package away or send it back. Only the lab might be interested in taking legal action against a major retailer.
 
CNCCurrency said:
You can't follow instructions. I said excluding hgh. Not to mention money laundering. So not buying then. Good job on not proving your point. Well done!!!!
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I did edit to add more, so maybe you missed the rest.
Here is the source for the interpol arrests. One person in Singapore had only bought and not resold, but was a minor so I can't find the details.

www.interpol.int

Record 769 arrests and USD 65 million in illicit pharmaceuticals seized in global bust

Operation reveals growing demand for semaglutides and peptides as ‘lifestyle enhancers’
www.interpol.int www.interpol.int
 
nitetrak said:
I did edit to add more, so maybe you missed the rest.
Here is the source for the interpol arrests. One person in Singapore had only bought and not resold, but was a minor so I can't find the details.

www.interpol.int

Record 769 arrests and USD 65 million in illicit pharmaceuticals seized in global bust

Operation reveals growing demand for semaglutides and peptides as ‘lifestyle enhancers’
www.interpol.int www.interpol.int
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I don't live in Singapore nor do most on here? pretty sure caning is the punishment. keep trying you may eventually get there! Try chatgpt?
 
Sir Chuck said:
With no intention of fearmongering, has anyone ever had any legal problems as a result of gray peptides . . . aside from customs seizures? It seems like no one is getting sentenced to life or 'making big rocks small' for peptide research, but I could be wrong.
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Someone who was simply buying peptides with crypto from an exchange account.
 

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rixsternaz said:
Not actually correct! Any peptides that is FDA approved requires a physician's prescription to purchase. So theatrically, yes, you could be arrested. The likelihood of getting in trouble probably depends on quantity of the FDA approved peps you purchase and what you are doing with them. As someone stated above, they probably won't bother the end user, but US Customs could be keeping track of names and addresses when packages are seized. Let's hope not!
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No part of the law you cited prohibits purchase or possession for personal use. It requires a script to sell, not to purchase.

Maybe they could get you on mail fraud for ticking the “research only” box, but you still haven’t shown any criminal liability for purchasers and personal users.

State laws may differ. But unless it’s a controlled substance, I’m skeptical.
 
myboysherman said:
No part of the law you cited prohibits purchase or possession for personal use. It requires a script to sell, not to purchase.

Maybe they could get you on mail fraud for ticking the “research only” box, but you still haven’t shown any criminal liability for purchasers and personal users.

State laws may differ. But unless it’s a controlled substance, I’m skeptical.
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I drive down to south of the border frequently and buy fda items and declare them at the border without issue all the time. These two fools are trying to scare folks, which is absolute nonsense and does not serve this community.
 
Importing or possessing nearly all of the peptides to or in Australia is illegal, without a prescription, and import permit. Most of them are scheduled drugs even the ones not released yet but are all schedule 4 so standard drug rules rather than drugs of addiction type rules. Things like dermorphin are not scheduled, but as they are opiates it would be illegal anyway.

People do get prosecuted here but as far as I know only if doing something commercial, like selling them or providing them via a clinic without the correct paperwork. But they could prosecute individuals importing them if they could be bothered or thought it worthwhile, so too many scare stories in the news could motivate them to enforce the existing laws rather than just confiscate them at customs.
 
tcpnomad said:
So, you were very sure that there was actually no law. And the other guy posted some in quite some detail.

Then you changed your tune entirely, and want to be shown actual prosecutions.

I'd just like you to admit that you have no clue about any of this, and are just mouthing off 😛.

It doesn't hurt to be well-informed. Better than making wild assumptions. The other guy is not "scaring people". It's good info.
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Information about law inforcement is correct. But practising it is not so easy. They should sure apply the law if it was possible. But customs don't have enough staff, possibilities to check all packages or follow everyone who has placed a small order. I am a sub contractor of UPS and 2 or 3 days a week, see 1 or 2 customs officers, during a few hours at a distribution center with a maximum daily volume of 500K packages. How many packages can 2 officers check during 2-3 hours do you think? If they occasionaly catch a small package, it will only be lost without any consequences. If it is too big for a personal order, it will be handed to Police department and starts an investigation. There is a continous flow through air, sea and land transport through customs. Use just your imagination about the possibilities. Customs even don't see most of the packages when you see notification of "held for customs clearance" at your tracking tool. Package is still at a warehouse of the carrier waiting for delivery confirmation from customs, which happens on computers. Only packages without clarification or suspect(drugs related) are being being checked by customs officers at that location. Bigger loads are mostly being carried by sea containers.
 
CNCCurrency said:
I don't live in Singapore nor do most on here? pretty sure caning is the punishment. keep trying you may eventually get there! Try chatgpt?
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I see, you only care about your location, a population of about 342 million and not the rest of the world where the other 7.96 billion people live. Fracking Americans (I'm one of those too.) I used your advise for those numbers but don't use ChatGPT because it lies. I've caught it many times. I have better options.

I'm done, but people from 90 different countires (not US) were arrested, some just for buying but I'm not going to research this anymore, I was just taking a break from canning pickled asparagus, 40 lbs worth. Have to get back to it. Pisses me off that they don't break off the inedible bottom parts before weighing it.
 
nitetrak said:
I see, you only care about your location, a population of about 342 million and not the rest of the world where the other 7.96 billion people live. Fracking Americans (I'm one of those too.) I used your advise for those numbers but don't use ChatGPT because it lies. I've caught it many times. I have better options.

I'm done, but people from 90 different countires (not US) were arrested, some just for buying but I'm not going to research this anymore, I was just taking a break from canning pickled asparagus, 40 lbs worth. Have to get back to it. Pisses me off that they don't break off the inedible bottom parts before weighing it.
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lessthanhalf said:
Importing or possessing nearly all of the peptides to or in Australia is illegal, without a prescription, and import permit. Most of them are scheduled drugs even the ones not released yet but are all schedule 4 so standard drug rules rather than drugs of addiction type rules. Things like dermorphin are not scheduled, but as they are opiates it would be illegal anyway.

People do get prosecuted here but as far as I know only if doing something commercial, like selling them or providing them via a clinic without the correct paperwork. But they could prosecute individuals importing them if they could be bothered or thought it worthwhile, so too many scare stories in the news could motivate them to enforce the existing laws rather than just confiscate them at customs.
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I'm watching "Border Security: Australias Front Line" right now, I had no idea they were still making new episodes. I travel there all the time and like to keep up on this stuff so I don't make any mistakes. I saw someone get fined for not ticking the box for medications on their customs form. They just had standard pills, they didn't identify them (the pills). They could have been refused entry but got off with a fine and warning.
 
CNCCurrency said:
I drive down to south of the border frequently and buy fda items and declare them at the border without issue all the time. These two fools are trying to scare folks, which is absolute nonsense and does not serve this community.
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I already said that I appreciated the information, others did as well. We all get that you didn't appreciate it. So bury your head back into your echo chamber. You != community.
 
yrrdead said:
I already said that I appreciated the information, others did as well. We all get that you didn't appreciate it. So bury your head back into your echo chamber. You != community.
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Not sure I ever replied to on this, so In case you missed it earlier
 
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birdwhacker said:
You ninnies would have never survived signing for a darknet order back in the day.
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It's because I was afraid they would do a 'controlled delivery' and the local sheriff's office would seize it and label it as black tar heroin. The same guys who seized all my tomato plants and posted it in the local paper as $140 million dollars in Marijuana seizure. You can't be too careful.
 
rixsternaz said:
Show me anywhere in my post that I said someone was prosecuted.
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rixsternaz said:
Not actually correct! Any peptides that is FDA approved requires a physician's prescription to purchase. So theatrically, yes, you could be arrested. The likelihood of getting in trouble probably depends on quantity of the FDA approved peps you purchase and what you are doing with them. As someone stated above, they probably won't bother the end user, but US Customs could be keeping track of names and addresses when packages are seized. Let's hope not!
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"theatrically"??? no doubt there would be a lot of theatrics involved.....and maybe theoretically too! lol.
 
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