Time to start stocking up, for real?

What I find amusing is that they only have record of 60 shipments from Sep 2023 to January 2025. I'm going to assume that's major seizures. I've looked through the list that customs publishes and noticed that there weren't that many GLPs on there. I really don't think they are very good at finding GLPs and that we don't need to be panicking.
 
Retazempic said:
Cotton to Bondi: investigate counterfeit drugs from China
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Pam Bondi doesn’t work for, or answer to senators or attorneys general.

“Counterfeit” is legally a very specific word and not the same thing as our UGL and gray market peptides. “Counterfeit” would be labeled as Ozempic or another trademarked word. I invite people to look at Blacks Law Dictionary.

Senators each send dozens of letters like this a month to appease their financiers, special interest groups and constituents. They have a wide array of topics that will be things like “what are doing to prevent the import of microchips into the US” or “the world is ending from cow flatulence”.

Most important, be careful how much you order at one time. The government will just seize something that comes through the mail and it’s an amount for personal use. If they can articulate that the amount is intended for distribution, you are looking at a much higher amount of malice. This witch hunt has been going on for decades with steroids and India pharmaceuticals.
 
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Look at the history of the US "cracking down" on drugs ... has it ever worked? Bottom line, there is too much money in the market to stop it. Even for the lower prices we are paying. Worse case scenario is that the government makes the process more annoying and it raises the prices.

Take semaglutide for example, it costs about $5 to create a month supply of the retail version and the majority of that cost is the packaging. That number includes a normal profit margin too. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/27/novo-nordisk-ozempic-can-be-made-for-less-than-5-a-month-study.html The cost of the drug itself is less than $1 per month without all the bells and whistles.

OK, let's look at a Chinese vender price ... $65 from MIX ... that is at least a $55 profit. A kit of Tirz 60mg is $180 and a Reta 50mg is $310. They probably all cost about the same to make. If true, then a kit of each would bring a profit of $170 and $300 respectively. Now let's say there is a US based reseller making an order for 1000 kits of 50mg Reta ... a Chinese vender is going to want that stuff to be delivered come hell or high water. That delivery would be a box that measures less than 14 cubic feet. Visualize a box (or multiple boxes together) that is smaller than a refrigerator and weighs less than 50 pounds. Drug dogs aren't trained to smell it. Losing a shipment would cost $1000 but a successful shipment brings in $300,000. Heck even a successful shipment of lowly sema is $55,000 of profit.

So let's say the average single kit is a profit of $100 ... and we are each buying about 2-3 kits per year ... there are over a million of us just in the US. That alone is a 3 billion dollar per year industry. And I am being very conservative with the numbers. Considering that the average income in China is about $17,000 ... yeah, they aren't going to stop the supply. No matter how much a shithead senator cries about it.
 
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MsGizmo said:
Look at the history of the US "cracking down" on drugs ... has it ever worked? Bottom line, there is too much money in the market to stop it. Even for the lower prices we are paying. Worse case scenario is that the government makes the process more annoying and it raises the prices.

Take semaglutide for example, it costs about $5 to create a month supply of the retail version and the majority of that cost is the packaging. That number includes a normal profit margin too. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/27/novo-nordisk-ozempic-can-be-made-for-less-than-5-a-month-study.html The cost of the drug itself is less than $1 per month without all the bells and whistles.

OK, let's look at a Chinese vender price ... $65 from MIX ... that is at least a $55 profit. A kit of Tirz 60mg is $180 and a Reta 50mg is $310. They probably all cost about the same to make. If true, then a kit of each would bring a profit of $170 and $300 respectively. Now let's say there is a US based reseller making an order for 1000 kits of 50mg Reta ... a Chinese vender is going to want that stuff to be delivered come hell or high water. That delivery would be a box that measures less than 14 cubic feet. Visualize a box (or multiple boxes together) that is smaller than a refrigerator and weighs less than 50 pounds. Drug dogs aren't trained to smell it. Losing a shipment would cost $1000 but a successful shipment brings in $300,000. Heck even a successful shipment of lowly sema is $55,000 of profit.

So let's say the average single kit is a profit of $100 ... and we are each buying about 2-3 kits per year ... there are over a million of us just in the US. That alone is a 3 billion dollar per year industry. And I am being very conservative with the numbers. Considering that the average income in China is about $17,000 ... yeah, they aren't going to stop the supply. No matter how much a shithead senator cries about it.
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You are correct but I hope our government doesn’t turn strings of amino acids into the equivalent of fentanyl! They tried to legislate supplements the same way back in the 80’s but the public cried out and the government backed down. I would say the majority of the fears that the government had regarding supplements have proven to be baseless
 
"January 2020 and October 2023, there were 38 reports of Americans ingesting drugs containing counterfeit active ingredients, with 25 of those reports describing serious health episodes including miscarriage, pancreatitis, and two deaths."

This is all they got? More people were injured and were killed from eating tacos in that time frame. I'm totally guessing but seriously, this is totally bought and paid for...
 
AndyPanda said:
Name one bureaucrat or politician on any side of any aisle that hasn’t been bought and paid for.
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You asked the question in a way that you're guaranteed to get answers you want. Running for any important office requires money whether that be for organizing or advertising. People will donate to that politician. They may be motivated by self-interest. Or they may be motivated because they're inspired by that politician. By labelling all politicians as bought and paid for and applying a standard that no one who is going to win is ever going to be meet, you're discouraging people from taking to steps to decide which politicians are less influenced by money. They're all the same, is your message. I genuinely believe that Mamdani believes most of what he advocates. (I disagree so strongly with Mamdani's politics that I would have voted against him.) A good first place to start is to avoid supporting politicians who seem to use the office to advance their own financial interests.
 
byefatlicia said:
"January 2020 and October 2023, there were 38 reports of Americans ingesting drugs containing counterfeit active ingredients, with 25 of those reports describing serious health episodes including miscarriage, pancreatitis, and two deaths."

This is all they got? More people were injured and were killed from eating tacos in that time frame. I'm totally guessing but seriously, this is totally bought and paid for...
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In 2020 there were an estimated 931 food poisoning deaths in the US. I couldn't find any evidence that any of them were caused by tacos ... but its plausible.
 
MsGizmo said:
In 2020 there were an estimated 931 food poisoning deaths in the US. I couldn't find any evidence that any of them were caused by tacos ... but its plausible.
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January 2020 through October 2023 tho. that's 2 3/4 years🤓

Edit: It's likely that any taco fatalities were categorized as covid related deaths during this time period...
 
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I realize peptides are still in the Wild Wild West phase but with so MANY CN VENDORS shouldn't there be enough of a profit for a US/CA individual to jump in? They can't all be patented and risk losing your freedom. Or can they? I think of the number of US domestic resellers and then think yeah, must not be worth the trouble or one of these that promote a Tirz30 kit for $1920. Or so it seems to me.1764166039602.png
 
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JoonyO said:
I realize peptides are still in the Wild Wild West phase but with so MANY CN VENDORS shouldn't there be enough of a profit for a US/CA individual to jump in? They can't all be patented and risk losing your freedom. Or can they? I think of the number of US domestic resellers and then think yeah, must not be worth the trouble or one of these that promote a Tirz30 kit for $1920. Or so it seems to be me.View attachment 10569
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I was surprised to see how many peptides are patented. I don't mean by the Novos of the world either -- I was doing some online research of a few simple peptides and stumbled upon Justia links for several of them.

I'm not sure the patent holders are even doing much with them. In other areas of technology, there is often a rush to patent something new in case it becomes the Next Big Thing.
 
JoonyO said:
I realize peptides are still in the Wild Wild West phase but with so MANY CN VENDORS shouldn't there be enough of a profit for a US/CA individual to jump in? They can't all be patented and risk losing your freedom. Or can they? I think of the number of US domestic resellers and then think yeah, must not be worth the trouble or one of these that promote a Tirz30 kit for $1920. Or so it seems to be me.
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If your going through all that risk to setup an illicit pharmaceutical manufacturing operation in CA you best have B.L.o.W on your menu. Same risk and higher profitability. 1764167367171.gif
 
Jellybelly54 said:
You are correct but I hope our government doesn’t turn strings of amino acids into the equivalent of fentanyl! They tried to legislate supplements the same way back in the 80’s but the public cried out and the government backed down. I would say the majority of the fears that the government had regarding supplements have proven to be baseless
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I think the worst thing that could happen is an idiot at a podium ranting off script and discouraging the public from using something that is generally perfectly safe and leaving it up to them (and their doctors, where appropriate) to decide how and when to use those products, aka, “Don’t use it, suffer through it!” about pregnant women taking Tylenol.

“Chiiiiiiiina, don’t take anything from Chiiiiina! They eat the cats, they eat the dogs, they say you don’t know if you’re injecting DOG! You wanna die like a DOG?! Don’t do it, don’t do it.”
 
FNG33 said:
If your going through all that risk to setup an illicit pharmaceutical manufacturing operation in CA you best have B.L.o.W on your menu. Same risk and higher profitability. View attachment 10570
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Not if'n you're bringing it in on a small boat... as news reports seem to show an unusual amount of these suffering from volatile, permanent, atom separation. 😉
YMMV
 
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