Tirzhelp telegram nuked.

MiniatureSnail said:
Not really... That place is heavily moderated and free speech, especially if it goes against the hive mind, is very discouraged. I've never seen a place just indiscriminately delete so many comments. People have been banned just for not taking their discussion to a different channel. I think the word "deplorable" is doing a lot of work in that statement. 🤷‍♀️
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i got banned for providing facts from the WHO about botox, apparently if you even say the word botox the nacho user copy and pastes a long 4 paragraph manifesto about how you WILL die if you DIY botox and its the most DEADLY and TOXIC substance in the WORLD, that would NEVER be approved by the FDA today. the last FDA approval for cosmetic botox was in 2017...
anyway dude has no idea how botox works, or the difference between foodbourne botulinum toxin and cosmetic botulinum toxin. and i got banned for fact checking him.
 
hansie said:
i got banned for providing facts from the WHO about botox, apparently if you even say the word botox the nacho user copy and pastes a long 4 paragraph manifesto about how you WILL die if you DIY botox and its the most DEADLY and TOXIC substance in the WORLD, that would NEVER be approved by the FDA today. the last FDA approval for cosmetic botox was in 2017...
anyway dude has no idea how botox works, or the difference between foodbourne botulinum toxin and cosmetic botulinum toxin. and i got banned for fact checking him.
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...for a first offense? Did you like, message anyone or just be like 'oh ok they're evil peace'

Cause they seem a lot more reasonable than that ..?
 
keangkong said:
Yet.
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Lol that’s what I was going to say but didn’t want to interrupt the roast 🙂
YoYoFat said:
I was admittedly aggressive towards a since-banned chick because she was super sus and rude and annoying AF, but I have since really calmed my tits, if I do say so myself! So I hope @delululemonade doesn’t yeet me!
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Haha you’re good… for now 😉
 
delululemonade said:
Nah everyone knows we’re the uptight ones in this community.
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You'd never ban me though! I'm an OG redditor, my oldest account is 12 years old!

(I pop in like once a week, reply to two comments, then get overwhelmed by the volume and leave. I love you guys though and I promise not to publicly link you again plz don't ban me)
 
chmuse said:
You'd never ban me tho! I'm an OG redditor, my oldest account is 12 years old!

(I pop in like once a week, reply to two comments, then get overwhelmed by the volume and leave. I love you guys tho and I promise not to publicly link you again plz don't ban me)
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Lol the ban threshold is pretty high, @YoYoFat can attest to that 😉 You did nothing wrong posting the links publicly, we were doing that too/encouraging it! Trying to be a tiny bit more low-key about that at the moment, but I’ll let u know when it’s safe to put in your guide again if you’d like 🙂
 
chmuse said:
...for a first offense? Did you like, message anyone or just be like 'oh ok they're evil peace'

Cause they seem a lot more reasonable than that ..?
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my first offense was mentioning QSC in the newbies channel, which is against the rules and i had no idea. so i asked where i could see channel rules and they just told me to take it to general chat, or DM the owner if I had an issue with the mods. i had zero issues, just asking a question, and i was met with hostility.

so i gather the mods were already annoyed with me, and a few days later in the general channel i asked if anyone had bought botox from chinese vendors (i buy FDA approved brands from korea, and was just curious). thats when nacho told me i was going to die if i injected "the most toxic substance known to man" but "hes not my mom". i fact checked him and asked him for his sources (which he failed to provide), stating i was willing to educate myself. side effects, sure, but no one has EVER died from cosmetic botox. the mods told me i was, once again, breaking a rule by talking about botox. i told the mod i was just correcting the user that replied to my one sentence question with 4 incredibly false, fear mongering paragraphs. now im banned. the whole thing couldve been avoided if they provided channel rules when i asked after being told about the no-QSC rule.

anyway, the whole thing is stupid when we are all taking risks with peptides, botox, whatever it is we are injecting. and we know this. but imagine if someone asked in that channel if anyones ever tried cagri, and i replied with 4 paragraphs about how they will die. would the mods be on board, or only when it comes from someone in their hive?
 
delululemonade said:
Lol the ban threshold is pretty high, @YoYoFat can attest to that 😉 You did nothing wrong posting the links publicly, we were doing that too/encouraging it! Trying to be a tiny bit more low-key about that at the moment, but I’ll let u know when it’s safe to put in your guide again if you’d like 🙂
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Whatever works by you guys! The thread is a safe space for beginner questions, even if I end up being the only one who answers and have to say 'honestly... Idk look here' and give a link.

I love what's been built, I'm just so ridiculously overwhelmed when I try to contribute, I check it every day to hundreds of messages, I just can't keep up the way I can with a forum!
 
hansie said:
my first offense was mentioning QSC in the newbies channel, which is against the rules and i had no idea. so i asked where i could see channel rules and they just told me to take it to general chat, or DM the owner if I had an issue with the mods. i had zero issues, just asking a question, and i was met with hostility.

so i gather the mods were already annoyed with me, and a few days later in the general channel i asked if anyone had bought botox from chinese vendors (i buy FDA approved brands from korea, and was just curious). thats when nacho told me i was going to die if i injected "the most toxic substance known to man" but "hes not my mom". i fact checked him and asked him for his sources (which he failed to provide), stating i was willing to educate myself. side effects, sure, but no one has EVER died from cosmetic botox. the mods told me i was, once again, breaking a rule by talking about botox. i told the mod i was just correcting the user that replied to my one sentence question with 4 incredibly false, fear mongering paragraphs. now im banned. the whole thing couldve been avoided if they provided channel rules when i asked after being told about the no-QSC rule.

anyway, the whole thing is stupid when we are all taking risks with peptides, botox, whatever it is we are injecting. and we know this. but imagine if someone asked in that channel if anyones ever tried cagri, and i replied with 4 paragraphs about how they will die. would the mods be on board, or only when it comes from someone in their hive?
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I see where you're coming from. But I think at its core, it's a tirz/sema/reta place with some of the more common peps thrown in. I don't have an opinion either way, but Botox seems well outside the scope of what they're trying to build.
 
chmuse said:
Whatever works by you guys! The thread is a safe space for beginner questions, even if I end up being the only one who answers and have to say 'honestly... Idk look here' and give a link.

I love what's been built, I'm just so ridiculously overwhelmed when I try to contribute, I check it every day to hundreds of messages, I just can't keep up the way I can with a forum!
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It def gets overwhelming at times! But we appreciate everyone who contributes/supports us, even if from afar for their own sanity lol.
 
chmuse said:
I see where you're coming from. But I think at its core, it's a tirz/sema/reta place with some of the more common peps thrown in. I don't have an opinion either way, but Botox seems well outside the scope of what they're trying to build.
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i get that now, and if i knew it was a rule i wouldve never brought it up. i didnt interact much but the telegram was genuinely helpful at times, so i had no intentions breaking rules lol. it was just an odd mod dogpile on me when it was another user who started the big discussion, and he was never told he was breaking the rules.
 
delululemonade said:
It def gets overwhelming at times! But we appreciate everyone who contributes/supports us, even if from afar for their own sanity lol.
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I spent a good long while answering questions via DM on Reddit before realizing I'd get myself banned. 🥲 My partner was like, an OG OG. He has a four letter username. If I end up murdered in a ditch, it's because I got him an IP ban.
 
chmuse said:
I spent a good long while answering questions via DM on Reddit before realizing I'd get myself banned. 🥲 My partner was like, an OG OG. He has a four letter username. If I end up murdered in a ditch, it's because I got him an IP ban.
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I have an OG OG Reddit name, too. And another with 9 year cake day. I’m not risking either. I have a throwaway that I respond with.
 
YoYoFat said:
😩😩😩 I’m not THAT bad!
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I can't speak for anything outside of the forums, but you're usually just very blunt and reminding us where we are and where the topic started 😂 I accept the criticism without any annoyance except when it's a thread I started myself. I'm ALLOWED to derail my own threads, damn it!
 
hansie said:
i get that now, and if i knew it was a rule i wouldve never brought it up. i didnt interact much but the telegram was genuinely helpful at times, so i had no intentions breaking rules lol. it was just an odd mod dogpile on me when it was another user who started the big discussion, and he was never told he was breaking the rules.
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Oh I actually saw the botox argument.

As a general rule, fighting with mods is a proven way to get you banned from pretty much every social media platform. Think of the kind of people who willingly go to the trouble of doing thankless work with no pay, that is also completely and utterly meaningless, with the only redeeming quality some teeny tiny bit of power of others.

And, to be more specific, while I did agree with you that botox isn't nearly as dangerous as the fear mongering that was going on there, you clearly weren't on your best behaviour, and were quite hostile yourself, to a mod. Bad choice.
 
YoYoFat said:
I have an OG OG Reddit name, too. And another with 9 year cake day. I’m not risking either. I have a throwaway that I respond with.
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My oldest is twelve years! I nuke every 3-6 months and start a new account but my original gets me access to invite only subs. I'm not trying to get back into the same subs twice a year just because of my paranoia about being doxxed! 🤭
 
chmuse said:
I can't speak for anything outside of the forums, but you're usually just very blunt and reminding us where we are and where the topic started 😂 I accept the criticism without any annoyance except when it's a thread I started myself. I'm ALLOWED to derail my own threads, damn it!
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I often envision myself hitting you with a pillow. If that helps you understand both my bluntness versus my actual level of pretty mild annoyance. I rarely get beyond pillow level. Like older big sister kind.
 
YoYoFat said:
I often envision myself hitting you with a pillow. If that helps you understand both my bluntness versus my actual level of pretty mild annoyance. I rarely get beyond pillow level. Like older big sister kind.
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I try to take it in stride. 😘 You're usually not ENTIRELY wrong. I don't shut the fuck up. Like ever. I joined the forums in October and I'm in most comments both here and qa. I literally CAN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP. I deserve to be called to task here and there.
 
YoYoFat said:
Your self-awareness is commendable. 😘

I’m also quite aware of how I come across. It’s the neurodivergence; to a certain extent, I can’t help it.
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You'd be shocked to hear that irl I'm the quiet girl in the corner. Wallflower. I find the dog at every party. 😂😂

I get it all out online. I understand your frustration with me.

I hope you've also noticed I've made an effort to curb it. Again, I don't shut up, so maybe not.
 
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YoYoFat said:
I often envision myself hitting you with a pillow. If that helps you understand both my bluntness versus my actual level of pretty mild annoyance. I rarely get beyond pillow level. Like older big sister kind.
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Since we are kinda talking about YoYo. I saw a chat in TGhelp where you were talking with someone from Royal Peptides, They were promoting their products and you (bluntly) asked "why are your prices so high", I think they responded with their quality and great customer service and you stuck with it "yes, but why do you charge so much" I think it went back and forth a few times and you gave them no slack. It was fantastic! It reminded me of my wife when she goes in lawyer mode calling out someone in authority on their bullshit.
 
GimmeABreak said:
Since we are kinda talking about YoYo. I saw a chat in TGhelp where you were talking with someone from Royal Peptides, They were promoting their products and you (bluntly) asked "why are your prices so high", I think they responded with their quality and great customer service and you stuck with it "yes, but why do you charge so much" I think it went back and forth a few times and you gave them no slack. It was fantastic! It reminded me of my wife when she goes in lawyer mode calling out someone in authority on their bullshit.
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Yoyo got big lawyer, take no bullshit vibes.

Not even MY bullshit. Even if I wrap it up in a pretty parrot picture package.
 
GimmeABreak said:
Since we are kinda talking about YoYo. I saw a chat in TGhelp where you were talking with someone from Royal Peptides, They were promoting their products and you (bluntly) asked "why are your prices so high", I think they responded with their quality and great customer service and you stuck with it "yes, but why do you charge so much" I think it went back and forth a few times and you gave them no slack. It was fantastic! It reminded me of my wife when she goes in lawyer mode calling out someone in authority on their bullshit.
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Guilty as charged. 😀 That was the gal who was later (recently) banned that I mentioned getting into it with earlier in this thread. She was one of their reps posing as a user, and kinda stepped in it when she posted and spoke on their behalf. She’s well known for hating her competition, Nexaph and Skye. Especially Skye, it’s almost comical. She wound up lashing out at someone and going after their kids. That was the last straw, or so it seems.

I was and remain pretty sure she is the lady from Cantydes who in epic fashion lost her sh*t on here (Royal and Cantydes are the same entity, for those who don’t know).

And I fully admit I was poking the bear because I wanted her to admit it. 🤣
 
penewbie said:
Oh I actually saw the botox argument.

As a general rule, fighting with mods is a proven way to get you banned from pretty much every social media platform. Think of the kind of people who willingly go to the trouble of doing thankless work with no pay, that is also completely and utterly meaningless, with the only redeeming quality some teeny tiny bit of power of others.

And, to be more specific, while I did agree with you that botox isn't nearly as dangerous as the fear mongering that was going on there, you clearly weren't on your best behaviour, and were quite hostile yourself, to a mod. Bad choice.
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I spent a good 12 years admining and moderatoring forums back in the vBulletin era, including some with several thousand daily users.

I think mods and admins shouldn't expect anything different in how they are challenged on false assertions, etc. If you're running (or moderating) the place for the right reason, then you let the person argue with you the same as any regular members would.

I think this is particularly important in a space like this where people's health is on the line - unsubstantiated arguments just increase the risk.
 
hexagonal said:
I spent a good 12 years admining and moderatoring forums back in the vBulletin era, including some with several thousand daily users.

I think mods and admins shouldn't expect anything different in how they are challenged on false assertions, etc. If you're running (or moderating) the place for the right reason, then you let the person argue with you the same as any regular members would.

I think this is particularly important in a space like this where people's health is on the line - unsubstantiated arguments just increase the risk.
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Can confirm you bastards all give me the full Rodney Dangerfield treatment.
 
hexagonal said:
I spent a good 12 years admining and moderatoring forums back in the vBulletin era, including some with several thousand daily users.

I think mods and admins shouldn't expect anything different in how they are challenged on false assertions, etc. If you're running (or moderating) the place for the right reason, then you let the person argue with you the same as any regular members would.

I think this is particularly important in a space like this where people's health is on the line - unsubstantiated arguments just increase the risk.
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My hot take is that moderators shouldn't engage with the community at all. Their job is to sit in the background and act as a janitor. If they must participate, do it on an alt so that it doesn't overly centralize the conversation due to their celebrity status. It's very rare to see any discussions progress organically when one side has more power or influence over the other.

And that's where my issue with TirzHelp comes in. Their qualifier for moderator appears to be who is the most active and spams chat the most. Most of the stuff the their mods are posting is extremely low quality. And don't even get me started on the weirdo mod with the 5 ai generated photos of muscular spaniard men.
 
beefsteak said:
My hot take is that moderators shouldn't engage with the community at all. Their job is to sit in the background and act as a janitor. If they must participate, do it on an alt so that it doesn't overly centralize the conversation due to their celebrity status. It's very rare to see any discussions progress organically when one side has more power or influence over the other.
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Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see that at all with EB and this forum. I think he steps in when it is getting out of hand or political but for the most part lets the drama play out. The exception is pens and carts, he does draw the line there. 🙂
 
YoYoFat said:
BigLaw YoYo with a Pillow
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My wife and I have been married for 38 years, she graduated law school about 20 years into our marriage. I saw the change in her, in how she thinks, I also found I could no longer win an argument. After a while (and a number of losses) I found it much better to just disengage - and it really pisses her off, so I win 😎!
 
GimmeABreak said:
Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see that at all with EB and this forum. I think he steps in when it is getting out of hand or political but for the most part lets the drama play out. The exception is pens and carts, he does draw the line there. 🙂
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Yeah ewb is pretty neutral
 
normal said:
It's the crew directly from Reddit, they just brought over the same censorship that exists there.

Reddit people LOVE censorship, over-moderation, and being told what they can't say. Literally their favorite things of all time.
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I came from reddit and although I like it I have been very surprised at how many times I have been censored for sharing something in the wrong forum.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Either a bot determined they were violating terms, or someone with a grievance reported the violation to telegram, so telegram shuts down the group. My money is on the guys eli Lilly has hired to monitor our little corner of the internet (hi guys, I’m sure you’re reading this). Send a scary letter from pharma lawyers and the path of least resistance quickly becomes nuking.
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Agree 100%. It's Lilly's attorneys that did it and it's all driven by corporate greed.

Lilly's CEO has openly lied about grey market tirz claiming their testing showed poor purity and viruses, etc. There are hundreds of tests disproving that.
 
Software Engineer said:
Agree 100%. It's Lilly's attorneys that did it and it's all driven by corporate greed.

Lilly's CEO has openly lied about grey market tirz claiming their testing showed poor purity and viruses, etc. There are hundreds of tests disproving that.
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Meh, I don’t blame Lilly, they’re acting rationally within a horribly broken system with terrible incentives.
 
beefsteak said:
My hot take is that moderators shouldn't engage with the community at all. Their job is to sit in the background and act as a janitor. If they must participate, do it on an alt so that it doesn't overly centralize the conversation due to their celebrity status. It's very rare to see any discussions progress organically when one side has more power or influence over the other.

And that's where my issue with TirzHelp comes in. Their qualifier for moderator appears to be who is the most active and spams chat the most. Most of the stuff the their mods are posting is extremely low quality. And don't even get me started on the weirdo mod with the 5 ai generated photos of muscular spaniard men.
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Simmer down fish steak
 
Peevee said:
Simmer down fish steak
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Yoyo and the server was talking mad shit about you bro. You gonna let them do that to you?
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Peevee said:
Hopefully they get nuked again
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Peevee said:
I dont give a fuck about them or their bedazzled injection pens and sweet trapper keeper injection logs

Place is a fucking flea market. Calling it stairway to would be an insult to the lgtbq community
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Alright bro I want you to get on an alt and say it to their face. Let yoyo know too she's in here as well. Let them know nobody gets to walk free after insulting the great peepee
 
GimmeABreak said:
Yoyo! I'm shocked that you would talk behind our back. I am so disappointed. 😥
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Behind who's back? I posted in this very thread:

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It's no secret that I think PeeVee is a jerk and a lame-o for wanting TirzHelp to get nuked again. I said it here. I said it there.

If there's one thing I am, it's consistent.
 
beefsteak said:
Alright bro I want you to get on an alt and say it to their face. Let yoyo know too she's in here as well. Let them know nobody gets to walk free after insulting the great peepee
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Getting an alt isn't saying it to someone's face. Using an alt to troll people is cowardly.

I said it to his face. And I use the same little handle in all these pep places.

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YoYoFat said:
Behind who's back? I posted in this very thread:

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It's no secret that I think PeeVee is a jerk and a lame-o for wanting TirzHelp to get nuked again. I said it here. I said it there.

If there's one thing I am, it's consistent.
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I just hope they don't descend on PeeVee like a gang of crazed swifties.
 
Re: moderation on the telegram. Some of the rules like what can’t be mentioned in the newbie channel is silly. Especially considering we’re all there to buy drugs in the gray market.
 
penewbie said:
Oh I actually saw the botox argument.

As a general rule, fighting with mods is a proven way to get you banned from pretty much every social media platform.
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Not really. Only if mods are very thin skinned. This year will be 25 years for me being a super mod on a platform with 250k registered users. Never banned anyone for fighting with me or calling me names (which is against the rules, but they do it for 'suicide by a cop' which doesn't bait me). But I banned plenty of people for violating the written rules.
 
stickfigure said:
Not really. Only if mods are very thin skinned. This year will be 25 years for me being a super mod on a platform with 250k registered users. Never banned anyone for fighting with me or calling me names (which is against the rules, but they do it for 'suicide by a cop' which doesn't bait me). But I banned plenty of people for violating the written rules.
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Good for you. Want a cookie?

The venn diagram of thin skinned individuals and social media moderators is close to a full circle.
 
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