Tracy gone MIA?

stickfigure said:
Check the seizure reports. Plenty of peptides being seized, for example BPC157. Recent Ohio seizure is another example. But this time around it sounds like entire forwarder lines got busted with huge losses of shipped orders and bad prospects of reships making it to destination.

If customs situation doesn't change for the better (and there is no reason for it), I think we are witnessing the end of the era of cheap peptides.
There will still be supply to meet the demand, but new risks will be priced in either directly or indirectly.
* GB and US domestic prices will go up.
* Vendors will stop offering reships, which is already common for destinations like Canada and Australia.
* We will likely see more scams in general and exit scams specifically since without reliable forwarder lines it's difficult for vendors to build reputation and less incentive to do so instead of running periodic scams and coming back under new names with low prices to attract new buyers.
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Regarding your last point. That is exactly how the online drug trade has worked for the last 15 years. The biggest market either exit scams or gets busted, the next one takes its place until the cycle repeats a couple years down the line. Yet despite the increased law enforcement efforts drugs are cheaper and more accessible than ever. Long term supply will always meet demand.
 
The actual meats and potatos of Chinese new year will be tomorrow and Wednesday. Tomorrow will be the last day of the lunar year and Wednesday will the new year. We could see Tracy as soon as Friday. If he doesn't show up by next Friday it's 100% over.
 
beefsteak said:
The actual meats and potatos of Chinese new year will be tomorrow and Wednesday. Tomorrow will be the last day of the lunar year and Wednesday will the new year. We could see Tracy as soon as Friday. If he doesn't show up by next Friday it's 100% over.
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This is all because he called you fishsteak, isn't it?
 
geoguy78 said:
This is all because he called you fishsteak, isn't it?
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brentm said:
How do they know they're peptides? Have you ordered from QSC? You get beauty product packaging and basically have to match your products with numbering given to you in an email which is likely also your tracking data.

You think US Customs is HPLC scanning powders that say they're skin products?
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They have the Gemini, if it is in the unit's database it will identify the substance. The question is Tirz, Sema, Reta in the database today and if not, will it be added in the future.

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GimmeABreak said:
They have the Gemini, if it is in the unit's database it will identify the substance. The question is Tirz, Sema, Reta in the database today and if not, will it be added in the future.

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Also an HPLC test isn't required to identify peptides. mass spec is much simpler and cheaper way to identify unknown powders.
 
GimmeABreak said:
They have the Gemini, if it is in the unit's database it will identify the substance. The question is Tirz, Sema, Reta in the database today and if not, will it be added in the future.

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On the one hand, I feel like they don't scan for most meds. On the other, these are a huge deal right now and Big Pharma (tm) probably wants a smack down. I'm glad I stocked up, even if it was a stupid panic buy. I'm still debating buying more, but that doesn't seem smart unless I also buy one of the heavy duty deep freezers. I have enough to make it to the next administration; but I also anticipate needing these medications for life.
 
chmuse said:
On the one hand, I feel like they don't scan for most meds. On the other, these are a huge deal right now and Big Pharma (tm) probably wants a smack down. I'm glad I stocked up, even if it was a stupid panic buy. I'm still debating buying more, but that doesn't seem smart unless I also buy one of the heavy duty deep freezers. I have enough to make it to the next administration; but I also anticipate needing these medications for life.
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I just bought another year of reta just in case.
 
zpped said:
I just bought another year of reta just in case.
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Nexa has a glow kit up I'm considering. My hesitation there is if I understand correctly, it's very hard to test mixes and the appeal of Nexa to me is the extensive testing.

I have enough sema for years and two tirz30 kits for if sema stops working. Was going to wait on reta prices to go back down.... I'm going to stick to that plan unless amo comes back, I think. I'm 90% sure they're a manufacturer so I feel a little safer buying from them right now. Otherwise I'll join PGB since they're so highly regarded. The next few days is enough time for me to deal with figuring out crypto anyway. If I yank out my old hard drives I might be able to get back into my old wallet which would make the kits free..... Right? ✨Girl Math✨
 
chmuse said:
Nexa has a glow kit up I'm considering. My hesitation there is if I understand correctly, it's very hard to test mixes and the appeal of Nexa to me is the extensive testing.

I have enough sema for years and two tirz30 kits for if sema stops working. Was going to wait on reta prices to go back down.... I'm going to stick to that plan unless amo comes back, I think. I'm 90% sure they're a manufacturer so I feel a little safer buying from them right now. Otherwise I'll join PGB since they're so highly regarded. The next few days is enough time for me to deal with figuring out crypto anyway. If I yank out my old hard drives I might be able to get back into my old wallet which would make the kits free..... Right? ✨Girl Math✨
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Amo Whatsapp'd me when I contacted them. I believe Amo is going to be back. It's easy to get paranoid about there not being vendors during the Chinese New Year when we don't hear thema ll the time.
 
chmuse said:
Nexa has a glow kit up I'm considering. My hesitation there is if I understand correctly, it's very hard to test mixes and the appeal of Nexa to me is the extensive testing.

I have enough sema for years and two tirz30 kits for if sema stops working. Was going to wait on reta prices to go back down.... I'm going to stick to that plan unless amo comes back, I think. I'm 90% sure they're a manufacturer so I feel a little safer buying from them right now. Otherwise I'll join PGB since they're so highly regarded. The next few days is enough time for me to deal with figuring out crypto anyway. If I yank out my old hard drives I might be able to get back into my old wallet which would make the kits free..... Right? ✨Girl Math✨
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PGB is my goto for peptides other than glps. (their glps are good but much more expensive than the going rate) but everything else they have is much more competitively priced.
 
stickfigure said:
If customs situation doesn't change for the better (and there is no reason for it), I think we are witnessing the end of the era of cheap peptides.
There will still be supply to meet the demand, but new risks will be priced in either directly or indirectly.
* GB and US domestic prices will go up.
* Vendors will stop offering reships, which is already common for destinations like Canada and Australia.
* We will likely see more scams in general and exit scams specifically since without reliable forwarder lines it's difficult for vendors to build reputation and less incentive to do so instead of running periodic scams and coming back under new names with low prices to attract new buyers
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Exactly this.

I am pretty sure my last order was confiscated. And, my supplier has gone dark.

Multiple people here have said they think there are just a few producers and multiple finishers and resellers. After all my digging, I believe I concur with that assessment. The forwarding lines is going to be the kicker.

I have about six months before I have to make a decision about where to find a new tracy.
 
stickfigure said:
Check the seizure reports. Plenty of peptides being seized, for example BPC157. Recent Ohio seizure is another example. But this time around it sounds like entire forwarder lines got busted with huge losses of shipped orders and bad prospects of reships making it to destination.

If customs situation doesn't change for the better (and there is no reason for it), I think we are witnessing the end of the era of cheap peptides.
There will still be supply to meet the demand, but new risks will be priced in either directly or indirectly.
* GB and US domestic prices will go up.
* Vendors will stop offering reships, which is already common for destinations like Canada and Australia.
* We will likely see more scams in general and exit scams specifically since without reliable forwarder lines it's difficult for vendors to build reputation and less incentive to do so instead of running periodic scams and coming back under new names with low prices to attract new buyers.
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It’s easy to envision the end of cheap peptides while our vendors are gone. However we were seeing in January the cheapest prices we had yet seen.
 
ford54 said:
i'm on multiple boards.. no one has ever reported a GLP-1 seizure.
i'm talking about USA customs.. not Canada...

also.. a huge bust just announced out of the long beach port.
they specifically listed drugs, etc, seized...
so it looks like the ride is over... this new set of sheriffs arent playing.,
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The issue isn’t that they are peptides or GLPs, there are many companies using stealth packaging naming certain products false things. Customs seizes these items
 
chmuse said:
Nexa has a glow kit up I'm considering. My hesitation there is if I understand correctly, it's very hard to test mixes and the appeal of Nexa to me is the extensive testing.

I have enough sema for years and two tirz30 kits for if sema stops working. Was going to wait on reta prices to go back down.... I'm going to stick to that plan unless amo comes back, I think. I'm 90% sure they're a manufacturer so I feel a little safer buying from them right now. Otherwise I'll join PGB since they're so highly regarded. The next few days is enough time for me to deal with figuring out crypto anyway. If I yank out my old hard drives I might be able to get back into my old wallet which would make the kits free..... Right? ✨Girl Math✨
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Have you ordered from amo before?
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Ask yourself: why don’t they they label it as tirz if that would mean smooth sailing in customs?

A: it wouldn’t
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I suspect you're right. Yet domestic vendors are able to sell GLP-1 drugs as "research peptides" and so long as they don't also make health claims, haven't gotten into trouble for doing so.
 
keangkong said:
I suspect you're right. Yet domestic vendors are able to sell GLP-1 drugs as "research peptides" and so long as they don't also make health claims, haven't gotten into trouble for doing so.
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I believe this is just because pharma is working through their various legal pathways to shut these places down starting with the lowest hanging fruit. A trademark claim against vendors using the name Tirzepatide is much cheaper and more straightforward than patent violation claims against places selling it but calling it something else, which is further complicated by the whole compounding during a shortage issue. They’ve gotten the big compounding places to stop using it before going after the wackamole that will be the little research chem outfits. They own the rights to the molecule, so no doubt they’ll get there.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I believe this is just because pharma is working through their various legal pathways to shut these places down starting with the lowest hanging fruit. A trademark claim against vendors using the name Tirzepatide is much cheaper and more straightforward than patent violation claims against places selling it but calling it something else, which is further complicated by the whole compounding during a shortage issue. They’ve gotten the big compounding places to stop using it before going after the wackamole that will be the little research chem outfits. They own the rights to the molecule, so no doubt they’ll get there.
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I think LLY & NN's easiest target is the thousands of medspas selling their product. Next would be pressuring the CN government to shut down the gray producers. Packages will always be able to get through customs, they just don't have the manpower to check every package. Seizure rates will likely go up, but peps will continue to flow if there is a company in CN producing them.

People often make the claim that peps are similar to the CN governments efforts (and failure) to shut down the flow of Fent and precursors into the US and Mexico. Without getting too political, there is zero incentive for CN to shut down the flow of a drug (fent) that is toxic to the US, causes unrest and is a genuine drag on our society, From the economic cost of policing, medical system, jails the breakdown of families etc. The US and China are frenemies bordering on enemies and the disruption caused by fent is widespread and reaches every corner of our society.

GLP's on the other hand are good for our society, they make people healthier and reduce the burden on our medical system from the dozens of diseases that are exacerbated by obesity. The CN government has incentive to curtail the gray industry before LLY and NN even start pushing for tighter controls.
 
brentm said:
QSC was seized? Their stuff is generally cloaked so well it's been said that it gets the hand wave...
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Yeah, I was nervous when it had been in NY customs for 2.5 weeks (arrived 12/20) with no update. I reached out to QSC a few days before they went dark and they said to give it more time, and they’d reship if it hadn’t been delivered after extended time (from forums it sounds like a month is the timeframe they reship after). Then a few days ago tracking updated to say as of 1/16 the package is in customs detention…which I assume means bye bye package🫠🫠🫠.

Overall pretty bummed about it. I made purchase during the Black Friday promo, but my order was delayed because they sold out of the domestic warehouse supply before filling my order (after I paid) and offered to send from international warehouse. So I wasn’t even intending on making the full international shipping jump for my first international vendor order…but went with it and got burned anyway. So I need Tracy to rise from the ashes lol
 

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GimmeABreak said:
I think LLY & NN's easiest target is the thousands of medspas selling their product. Next would be pressuring the CN government to shut down the gray producers. Packages will always be able to get through customs, they just don't have the manpower to check every package. Seizure rates will likely go up, but peps will continue to flow if there is a company in CN producing them.

People often make the claim that peps are similar to the CN governments efforts (and failure) to shut down the flow of Fent and precursors into the US and Mexico. Without getting too political, there is zero incentive for CN to shut down the flow of a drug (fent) that is toxic to the US, causes unrest and is a genuine drag on our society, From the economic cost of policing, medical system, jails the breakdown of families etc. The US and China are frenemies bordering on enemies and the disruption caused by fent is widespread and reaches every corner of our society.

GLP's on the other hand are good for our society, they make people healthier and reduce the burden on our medical system from the dozens of diseases that are exacerbated by obesity. The CN government has incentive to curtail the gray industry before LLY and NN even start pushing for tighter controls.
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By this logic China wouldn't manufacture so many other things that are important to the US functioning so cheaply for us.

China also needs a functioning US economy if they ever want to get paid back for all the money they've lent to America and American companies over the years.
 
keangkong said:
I suspect you're right. Yet domestic vendors are able to sell GLP-1 drugs as "research peptides" and so long as they don't also make health claims, haven't gotten into trouble for doing so.
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EL and others who are trying to ban as much as they can will continue to do so... is it going to stop the peps from reaching customers in the US? HELL NO. lmao they can sue and try to ban all they want, still won't stop the grey market. I am not the least bit worried.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I believe this is just because pharma is working through their various legal pathways to shut these places down starting with the lowest hanging fruit. A trademark claim against vendors using the name Tirzepatide is much cheaper and more straightforward than patent violation claims against places selling it but calling it something else, which is further complicated by the whole compounding during a shortage issue. They’ve gotten the big compounding places to stop using it before going after the wackamole that will be the little research chem outfits. They own the rights to the molecule, so no doubt they’ll get there.
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You may be right. (Despite being a lawyer, I don't know.)
 
Unthinmint said:
Yeah, I was nervous when it had been in NY customs for 2.5 weeks (arrived 12/20) with no update. Then a few days ago tracking updated to say as of 1/16 the package is in customs detention…which I assume means bye bye package🫠🫠🫠.

So I wasn’t even intending on making the full international shipping jump for my first international vendor order…but went with it and got burned anyway. So I need Tracy to rise from the ashes lol
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That's a bummer... sorry to hear... I'd heard that their packaging will sometimes be opened but then sealed back up and sent onto its destination. I'd assumed their disguised boxes were somewhat effective.

But then I learned about this ThermoFisher Gemini device that can detect all kinds of crazy shit. I thought they were just flicking little vials of liquid and if it turns purple it's fent.

I just had a package from AllDayChemist get "held by customs" then released. I'm curious if it was inspected.... should be here in a few days.

Hope you aren't out too much dough. Chin up... it's still cheaper than the alternatives. And you can do a domestic order at PGB if you're in a pinch.
 
catdog said:
EL and others who are trying to ban as much as they can will continue to do so... is it going to stop the peps from reaching customers in the US? HELL NO. lmao they can sue and try to ban all they want, still won't stop the grey market. I am not the least bit worried.
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Having seen the unsuccessful efforts to shut down the supply of cocaine, methamphetamine, and fentanyl, I'm confident that the US government will be unable to shut down the supply GLP-1 drugs. With the other drugs, the government tried much harder to do so than it is willing to do for GLP-1 drugs.
 
keangkong said:
Having seen the unsuccessful efforts to shut down the supply of cocaine, methamphetamine, and fentanyl, I'm confident that the US government will be unable to shut down the supply GLP-1 drugs. With the other drugs, the government tried much harder to do so than it is willing to do for GLP-1 drugs.
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I completely agree, Kong. I share the same rationale. Here's to more peptides for reasonable costs.

I should add, it is never a bad idea to have a healthy stock for when the market ebbs and flows with how restricted things get at times.
 
brentm said:
That's a bummer... sorry to hear... I'd heard that their packaging will sometimes be opened but then sealed back up and sent onto its destination. I'd assumed their disguised boxes were somewhat effective.

But then I learned about this ThermoFisher Gemini device that can detect all kinds of crazy shit. I thought they were just flicking little vials of liquid and if it turns purple it's fent.

I just had a package from AllDayChemist get "held by customs" then released. I'm curious if it was inspected.... should be here in a few days.

Hope you aren't out too much dough. Chin up... it's still cheaper than the alternatives. And you can do a domestic order at PGB if you're in a pinch.
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I had a package of prescription pills obtained without a prescription from China that said it was being held by customs. I don't recall the exact term the tracking service used. Customs held it about 2-3 weeks before releasing it. I received the package with the green tape that I believe indicated that customs opened the package. The contents were fine.
 
catdog said:
I should add, it is never a bad idea to have a healthy stock for when the market ebbs and flows with how restricted things get at times.
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That's why I'm inclined to buy more reta when the vendors come off vacation if I see some deals as good as they were offering before CNY. I just received almost a year's supply. I expect the price to drop. However, it seems that there may be some bumps in the road and I don't want to have to scramble and pay exorbitant prices later on during one of the more difficult times. I am quite happy that my SRY reta arrived yesterday. Now if I don't see any good deals in February, I won't be worrying much.
 
catdog said:
I completely agree, Kong. I share the same rationale. Here's to more peptides for reasonable costs.

I should add, it is never a bad idea to have a healthy stock for when the market ebbs and flows with how restricted things get at times.
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I’ve repeatedly stocked up during panics to the point where I’m taking this as an opportunity to work through the backlog. Finish my reta, then work on the tirz, and when I’m done with that sometime in the 2030s I can dig into the sema while i cruise around in my flying car (provided the fibril-induced dementia hasn’t gotten me yet)
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I’ve repeatedly stocked up during panics to the point where I’m taking this as an opportunity to work through the backlog. Finish my reta, then work on the tirz, and when I’m done with that sometime in the 2030s I can dig into the sema while i cruise around in my flying car (provided the fibril-induced dementia hasn’t gotten me yet)
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Haha, love it. I feel the exact same right now. Just digging into my reserves. It's a good feeling. I would also love a flying car at some point 😉
 
GimmeABreak said:
there is zero incentive for CN to shut down the flow of a drug (fent) that is toxic to the US, causes unrest and is a genuine drag on our society, From the economic cost of policing, medical system, jails the breakdown of families etc...
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GimmeABreak said:
The CN government has incentive to curtail the gray industry before LLY and NN even start pushing for tighter controls.
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These two statements are the most truthful...

Though looking at the economic impact of Tracy's bitcoin account just from Dec sales... that might be a reason for cn not to shut it down. I'm betting a large % goes to allow the gray market to continue.

Also, some one else mentioned trademark vs. Patent. I was wondering because I'm not clear on this... isn't brand name patent and trademarked and then generic is just the name of a chemical compound? If you know, please share with me.
 
Windingroads06 said:
Also, some one else mentioned trademark vs. Patent. I was wondering because I'm not clear on this... isn't brand name patent and trademarked and then generic is just the name of a chemical compound? If you know, please share with me.
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Trademark is about the name. They own the right to use the word “mounjaro” in commerce. Patent is about the molecule itself, which they own the right to sell. You can manufacture or import the molecule and call it whatever you want, as long as is isn’t mounjaro you’re not violating the trademark but you are violating the patent. Going after people for trademark violations is quite straightforward so they started there. Patent rights get a little muddy here because of the shortage designation which helps explain why they didn’t go down this path until after the shortage designation was lifted.
 
hexagonal said:
By this logic China wouldn't manufacture so many other things that are important to the US functioning so cheaply for us.

China also needs a functioning US economy if they ever want to get paid back for all the money they've lent to America and American companies over the years.
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Agreed, and they do need jobs for their people. No jobs in China equals political unrest which scares the heck out of the CCP.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Trademark is about the name. They own the right to use the word “mounjaro” in commerce. Patent is about the molecule itself, which they own the right to sell. You can manufacture or import the molecule and call it whatever you want, as long as is isn’t mounjaro you’re not violating the trademark but you are violating the patent. Going after people for trademark violations is quite straightforward so they started there. Patent rights get a little muddy here because of the shortage designation which helps explain why they didn’t go down this path until after the shortage designation was lifted.
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I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)
 
Peptoidian said:
I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does 1appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)
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I think sema is out of patent in 2026 and tirz out in 2030ish.
 
Peptoidian said:
I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)
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I don't think they will forever. It being on the shortage list complicated the situation, it puts the patent protection in a funky spot during that time. Makes it a can of worms that was easier to keep closed while they worked to get it off the shortage list. Now that that's resolved they'll probably start chasing down the bigger guys, and work their way down the chain.
 
Peptoidian said:
I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)
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I'm not saying it would hold up in court, but there is the research exemption to patent law.

"The research exemption, also known as the safe harbor provision,, is a patent law exception that allows research and testing for regulatory approval without infringing on patent rights. This exemption is especially important for drugs, as it allows generic drug manufacturers to prepare generic drugs before the patent expires."
 
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