UGL vs “gray”

[scarywood75]

It feels more "black" market to me.

I think of our peps as "Black Market". For me, gray market would be going to Canada to get genuine Novo pens and exploiting that loophole.

It's funny cuz here when Facebook marketplace first started, we used to call it "black market", not too sure if it's a local thing or no lol

 

[brentm]

It's funny cuz here when Facebook marketplace first started, we used to call it "black market", not too sure if it's a local thing or no lol

Never heard of that... Was it because you could buy illegal items on FB marketplace?

Typically black refers to the absence of light. I think dark is a better term personally than black. Dark pools are clandestine exchanges where you can buy and sell stocks or coins without government oversight. I refer to the labs in China that make our peptides as "dark labs", since there is little to no government or regulatory oversight or certifications. And black lists are lists you don't want to be on.

But if FB Marketplace was called the black market back in the day, I'd suspect you could find drugs, cable descramblers (oh the good ole days), flesh, and other things that were against the law.

 

[scarywood75]

Never heard of that... Was it because you could buy illegal items on FB marketplace?

Typically black refers to the absence of light. I think dark is a better term personally than black. Dark pools are clandestine exchanges where you can buy and sell stocks or coins without government oversight. I refer to the labs in China that make our peptides as "dark labs", since there is little to no government or regulatory oversight or certifications. And black lists are lists you don't want to be on.

But if FB Marketplace was called the black market back in the day, I'd suspect you could find drugs, cable descramblers (oh the good ole days), flesh, and other things that were against the law.

Right, yeah I have no clue honestly why we called it that way over here aha

 

[AndyPanda]

I agree, it’s a little fib we tell ourselves. Regardless what we think, law enforcement considers it illegal black market drugs.

I would like to see what the disposition of this case is and what she was actually charged with in addition to “impersonating a liscensed professional” and “money laundering”. The fact she was charged by local law enforcement and not Federal raises questions for me as well. Seems like a po-dung operation.

On a side note, with the broken pucks and blue caps, those looked like Amolist vials.

 

[keangkong]

The term is “price caps” and in the USA the business guys brand this as communism very effectively. Us Americans don’t know what communism is anymore, but we know it is the worst thing there is, so it won’t ever happen. Pharma lobbyists and super PACs will convince voters that price caps equate to bread lines.

The US more strongly follows free market principles than most countries. We also have one of the highest gross domestic product (gdp) per capita (gin the world. No country with a population over 10 million people has a higher gdp per capita. I do, however, have trouble defending a healthcare system which spends so much more person than other advanced healthcare systems and doesn't produce great results.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

The US more strongly follows free market principles than most countries. We also have one of the highest gross domestic product (gdp) per capita (gin the world. No country with a population over 10 million people has a higher gdp per capita. I do, however, have trouble defending a healthcare system which spends so much more person than other advanced healthcare systems and doesn't produce great results.

GDP per capita doesn’t mean much when half of the wealth is held by 2.5% of the population.

 

[penewbie]

GDP per capita doesn’t mean much when half of the wealth is held by 2.5% of the population.

There's some truth in that, but the US is still vastly ahead when we take median income for instance.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

There's some truth in that, but the US is still vastly ahead when we take median income for instance.

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These stats are ridiculous because they’re post-tax. Which means don’t account for all the health care spending we are discussing here in the USA that doesn’t happen in other wealthy countries (where their taxes cover much of it, so have been backed out of these figures for them and not for USA). A proper accounting for this would certainly move the US down the list. Not to mention all the other government services and subsidies that regular folks receive in other OECD countries and don’t happen in the USA.

I’m not going to go down some statistics discussion rabbit hole, my intent is just to point out that anyone can cherry pick whatever misleading stats they wish to support their priors just as you’ve done here.

 

[AndyPanda]

These stats are ridiculous because they’re post-tax. Which means don’t account for all the health care spending we are discussing here in the USA that doesn’t happen in other wealthy countries (where their taxes cover much of it, so have been backed out of these figures for them and not for USA). A proper accounting for this would certainly move the US down the list. Not to mention all the other government services and subsidies that regular folks receive in other OECD countries and don’t happen in the USA.

I’m not going to go down some statistics discussion rabbit hole, my intent is just to point out that anyone can cherry pick whatever misleading stats they wish to support their priors just as you’ve done here.

It looks like it stops at $50,000 as well. I don’t know how anyone could live off of that, unless they are in SE Asia or somewhere similarly inexpensive.

 

[keangkong]

I would like to see what the disposition of this case is and what she was actually charged with in addition to “impersonating a liscensed professional” and “money laundering”. The fact she was charged by local law enforcement and not Federal raises questions for me as well. Seems like a po-dung operation.

On a side note, with the broken pucks and blue caps, those looked like Amolist vials.

I urge extreme caution before selling any peptides. At least if you sell them with the undestanding that that they’ll be injected into humans, you’re clearly violating federal law and the law of many states. If you want to sell “research peptides” when you know there is a good chance that they’ll be used on people, I recommend talking to a lawyer first who will advise you on what you must avoid doing. You should probably find a lawyer who advises other domestic places that sell research peptides. I am an attorney but am unqualified to give actual legal advice in this area.

 

[keangkong]

These stats are ridiculous because they’re post-tax. Which means don’t account for all the health care spending we are discussing here in the USA that doesn’t happen in other wealthy countries (where their taxes cover much of it, so have been backed out of these figures for them and not for USA). A proper accounting for this would certainly move the US down the list. Not to mention all the other government services and subsidies that regular folks receive in other OECD countries and don’t happen in the USA.

I’m not going to go down some statistics discussion rabbit hole, my intent is just to point out that anyone can cherry pick whatever misleading stats they wish to support their priors just as you’ve done here.

Yet there is reason that Russia and China have given up on following Communist economic principles. Cuba and North Korea have stayed true to Communism. People who belonged to formerly Commibisy countries don’t appear to be clamoring for a return to Communist. The only thing worse than being exploited by Capitalists is not being exploited by Capitalists.

 

[penewbie]

I would like to see what the disposition of this case is and what she was actually charged with in addition to “impersonating a liscensed professional” and “money laundering”. The fact she was charged by local law enforcement and not Federal raises questions for me as well. Seems like a po-dung operation.

On a side note, with the broken pucks and blue caps, those looked like Amolist vials.

Carter said Arnold has been charged with:

• Impersonating a licensed professional
• Reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon
• Criminal simulation
• Money laundering
• Selling a legend drug

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Yet there is reason that Russia and China have given up on following Communist economic principles. Cuba and North Korea have stayed true to Communism. People who belonged to formerly Commibisy countries don’t appear to be clamoring for a return to Communist. The only thing worse than being exploited by Capitalists is not being exploited by Capitalists.

lol and here you have it folks, the communism fear mongering I was talking about. At no point did I say communism was good. I said price caps aren’t communism but that interested parties will try to convince you that they (or any other component of rational healthcare reform) are because it is a scary word with the weight of history behind it, and I pointed out some very flawed stats that y’all were throwing around.

 

[hexagonal]

The US more strongly follows free market principles than most countries. We also have one of the highest gross domestic product (gdp) per capita (gin the world. No country with a population over 10 million people has a higher gdp per capita. I do, however, have trouble defending a healthcare system which spends so much more person than other advanced healthcare systems and doesn't produce great results.

The amount of government subsidies provided to corporations are fairly strongly outside of free market principles. We take a very active hand in picking winners and losers in the market.

I'll leave it to you whether or not that is a good thing or a bad thing, because that starts to get quite political, but from an objective standpoint, the US has very strongly departed from pure capitalism.

 

[hexagonal]

Yet there is reason that Russia and China have given up on following Communist economic principles. Cuba and North Korea have stayed true to Communism. People who belonged to formerly Commibisy countries don’t appear to be clamoring for a return to Communist. The only thing worse than being exploited by Capitalists is not being exploited by Capitalists.

Are government funded police forces communism? Fire departments? Libraries? Public education?

The US has decided that socializing many things is a necessity for basic human needs within the country. No one would argue that having done that makes the US a communist country.

Are you arguing that collective bargaining for drug prices, or even socializing medicine, would be the bridge that does it? If so, could you please explain how that matches the definition of communism?

We don't need to debate the good or ill of communism, but I would like to understand why you think communism is relevant at all in this conversation.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Just pointing out another thing that drives healthcare cost up in general. A lot of Americans are surprised to hear that even in culturally similar places like Australia and the UK people aren't bombarded by drug ads.

We have no advertisers for drugs. Most get to know about a new drug by the dr who is writing you the medication and maybe word of mouth from family and friends

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

The term is “price caps” and in the USA the business guys brand this as communism very effectively. Us Americans don’t know what communism is anymore, but we know it is the worst thing there is, so it won’t ever happen. Pharma lobbyists and super PACs will convince voters that price caps equate to bread lines.

Yep do it. The US should charge 50k usd for one ozempic pen. I bet they would if they could get it to sell at that price …

 

[AndyPanda]

“Carter said Arnold has been charged with:

• Impersonating a licensed professional
• Reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon
• Criminal simulation
• Money laundering
• Selling a legend drug“

Some of those charges are clearly stacked so they can get her to plead to a few. Her mistake was clearly selling them. If she claimed to be licensed, then sham on her, I guess.

 

[AndyPanda]

I urge extreme caution before selling any peptides. At least if you sell them with the undestanding that that they’ll be injected into humans, you’re clearly violating federal law and the law of many states. If you want to sell “research peptides” when you know there is a good chance that they’ll be used on people, I recommend talking to a lawyer first who will advise you on what you must avoid doing. You should probably find a lawyer who advises other domestic places that sell research peptides. I am an attorney but am unqualified to give actual legal advice in this area.

I don’t think anyone on here is really trying to sell this stuff, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of companies in the US selling peptides openly and they don’t appear to be going anywhere. The lesson to be learned is to only purchase things for personal use.