VENDOR ATTITUDE

I was up front about my intentions. That this was my first order and with crypto and it would be a small amount just enough to get free shipping. I wanted to check everything out before I started buying more. Everything went smoothly. I have made several larger purchases with this vendor and see no need to change vendors. She doesn’t call me dear anymore, I take that as a good thing.
I beg to differ - I love when they call me honey. That aside, I have read this post title over the last few days and it rubs me. As a neutral observer, some vendors can be short or have a bit of attitude, but some customers have unreal expectations. Shit, you are getting unlabeled vials. Being in black and grey markets for 30 years, it’s beyond the best time for those markets today. I always tell young folks how good they have it today. And that’s why I have enough to last a nuclear fall out, can it stay so good.
 
Can't say ive noticed an attitude. Most of my exchanges are very mechanical. I want x,y,z and paying btc, they respond with if they have stock and price, I agree, they send wallet ID, I pay, they ship, I receive.
Some times the attitude is fair to me. You should read some of the exchanges between this US reseller and some customers on this site. Incidentally, that US reseller (albeit high prices for accepting other than bitcoin) has always been a legit reseller. Yet some customers expect these vendors to be like a receptionist at a 4 Seasons.
 
Some times the attitude is fair to me. You should read some of the exchanges between this US reseller and some customers on this site. Incidentally, that US reseller (albeit high prices for accepting other than bitcoin) has always been a legit reseller. Yet some customers expect these vendors to be like a receptionist at a 4 Seasons.
I know what seller you're referring to. Ive bought from them before and had pleasant exchanges with them. Honestly I think that reseller is a pleasant individual, but if you come at them, they are overly defensive.
 
I know what seller you're referring to. Ive bought from them before and had pleasant exchanges with them. Honestly I think that reseller is a pleasant individual, but if you come at them, they are overly defensive.
The one that mislabeled a product and then screamed at the customer requesting they update their listing? Then berated the same customer for saying it in public while previously claiming dms were disabled? Ya, that isn't acceptable.

I think trust goes both ways and will always defer to a vendor that is polite and acknowledges a potential customer. I have had really pleasant exchanges with Chinese vendors lately fwiw.
 
I’d agree to an extent. A vendor I’ve used for a year or so is definitely not so pleasant anymore and just basic yes/no.. but I can still order with just this is what I want, payment, then cya later. I imagine the volume of enquiries alongside ordering under $1000 or just scraping through on free shipping might be the reasoning too. Then, you’ve got vendors starting out that are exactly how I remember this previous one use to be. Honestly, probably quite a few reasons overall.
 
some customers have unreal expectations.
I really see it on TG in the GB. Some of these people think they ordering from Amazon and keep asking "where's my stuff?" It even states in the GB the stuff is made to order, coming from China and will take 6-8 weeks or longer. One even threatened to not do GB anymore.
Some times the attitude is fair to me. You should read some of the exchanges between this US reseller and some customers on this site.
I see a few comments here and there.
 
Shit, you are getting unlabeled vials. Being in black and grey markets for 30 years, it’s beyond the best time for those markets today. I always tell young folks how good they have it today. And that’s why I have enough to last a nuclear fall out, can it stay so good.
I too have used these markets for 30+ years when it was strictly CIM and no such thing as crypto, it makes my point. If you remember even Darius was always polite and respectful, calling you Sir even when you questioned his product OR integrity, but I digress, the Chinese are your friend!
 
Technically speaking you are always gambling when working with grey suppliers. They have absolutely no reason to care for your wellbeing, even less than established corporates who are subject to regulations. And we are talking vendors from China, a country where "workarounds" are more common than normal routes.
 
This topic comes up periodically in some form or another, and it is almost always 100% based in a fundamental lack of understanding of the differences between Western and Eastern cultures and business practices.

One of the important aspects to understand is the structure and nature of Chinese businesses, whether "legit" or not, and your sales reps' position. There are countless levels of "managers", and ultimately the front-line reps you deal with have ZERO autonomy in anything that they do. The reps have one job: make the sale. They follow instructions (I've often described it as their "programming"). They do what they're told. They can't decide anything, whether it's to give you a discount, a refund, or anything else. They are not equipped to problem-solve, and will often be reluctant to do so since it usually means that their manager(s) will look poorly on them and possibly punish them for their "failure", even if it was something completely outside of their control.

The next thing people fail to understand is that these reps aren't just selling you peptides. They're selling knock-off Gucci handbags, Air Jordans, and countless other products. All done under different names, contacts, etc. and all at the same time. Whichever product they're selling to different customers on the other side of the world are always going to be the "best", "highest quality", etc. And they don't work at the "factory" where any of this stuff is produced or even located. They have likely never even seen or touched the product in question. They don't just get up from their cubicle and walk on down to the shipping department to check on your order.

Finally, and similarly to industries around the world, there are only so many of them. So, when they have a sales quota to meet in order to be able to keep their job, if they don't get the sense that you're a serious buyer (or you're one of the imbeciles asking them reconstitution or other idiotic questions), they're going to move on to the next prospect.

Just like your local used car salesperson, Chinese sales reps aren't your buddy, pal, or friend. They are interested in one thing, and that's getting you to pay them for whatever they're selling. Being concerned about their "attitude" is pointless and silly, and folks need to learn how to turn off their inner Karen or Kevin when buying peptides from China and treat it like the nameless, faceless, impersonal transaction that it is and leave emotions out of it.

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This topic comes up periodically in some form or another, and it is almost always 100% based in a fundamental lack of understanding of the differences between Western and Eastern cultures and business practices.

One of the important aspects to understand is the structure and nature of Chinese businesses, whether "legit" or not, and your sales reps' position. There are countless levels of "managers", and ultimately the front-line reps you deal with have ZERO autonomy in anything that they do. The reps have one job: make the sale. They follow instructions (I've often described it as their "programming"). They do what they're told. They can't decide anything, whether it's to give you a discount, a refund, or anything else. They are not equipped to problem-solve, and will often be reluctant to do so since it usually means that their manager(s) will look poorly on them and possibly punish them for their "failure", even if it was something completely outside of their control.

The next thing people fail to understand is that these reps aren't just selling you peptides. They're selling knock-off Gucci handbags, Air Jordans, and countless other products. All done under different names, contacts, etc. and all at the same time. Whichever product they're selling to different customers on the other side of the world are always going to be the "best", "highest quality", etc. And they don't work at the "factory" where any of this stuff is produced or even located. They have likely never even seen or touched the product in question. They don't just get up from their cubicle and walk on down to the shipping department to check on your order.

Finally, and similarly to industries around the world, there are only so many of them. So, when they have a sales quota to meet in order to be able to keep their job, if they don't get the sense that you're a serious buyer (or you're one of the imbeciles asking them reconstitution or other idiotic questions), they're going to move on to the next prospect.

Just like your local used car salesperson, Chinese sales reps aren't your buddy, pal, or friend. They are interested in one thing, and that's getting you to pay them for whatever they're selling. Being concerned about their "attitude" is pointless and silly, and folks need to learn how to turn off their inner Karen or Kevin when buying peptides from China and treat it like the nameless, faceless, impersonal transaction that it is and leave emotions out of it.

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And their culture is way different then ours in many ways

Holidays they take seriously. Here we get Christmas & after you get back to work right away. There they have long holidays & travel far long distances to be with family. Many live in the city for work in factories & travel home which is many many hours away. China is HUGE

And they have NO filter!! They say exactly what they're thinking without thinking of how the person will feel about it. Example there was someone there & they said to this person "Oh you Vegan, why you so fat"
 
This topic comes up periodically in some form or another, and it is almost always 100% based in a fundamental lack of understanding of the differences between Western and Eastern cultures and business practices.

One of the important aspects to understand is the structure and nature of Chinese businesses, whether "legit" or not, and your sales reps' position. There are countless levels of "managers", and ultimately the front-line reps you deal with have ZERO autonomy in anything that they do. The reps have one job: make the sale. They follow instructions (I've often described it as their "programming"). They do what they're told. They can't decide anything, whether it's to give you a discount, a refund, or anything else. They are not equipped to problem-solve, and will often be reluctant to do so since it usually means that their manager(s) will look poorly on them and possibly punish them for their "failure", even if it was something completely outside of their control.

The next thing people fail to understand is that these reps aren't just selling you peptides. They're selling knock-off Gucci handbags, Air Jordans, and countless other products. All done under different names, contacts, etc. and all at the same time. Whichever product they're selling to different customers on the other side of the world are always going to be the "best", "highest quality", etc. And they don't work at the "factory" where any of this stuff is produced or even located. They have likely never even seen or touched the product in question. They don't just get up from their cubicle and walk on down to the shipping department to check on your order.

Finally, and similarly to industries around the world, there are only so many of them. So, when they have a sales quota to meet in order to be able to keep their job, if they don't get the sense that you're a serious buyer (or you're one of the imbeciles asking them reconstitution or other idiotic questions), they're going to move on to the next prospect.

Just like your local used car salesperson, Chinese sales reps aren't your buddy, pal, or friend. They are interested in one thing, and that's getting you to pay them for whatever they're selling. Being concerned about their "attitude" is pointless and silly, and folks need to learn how to turn off their inner Karen or Kevin when buying peptides from China and treat it like the nameless, faceless, impersonal transaction that it is and leave emotions out of it.

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I want a knock-off Gucci handbag (for the wife) .... What vendor have YOU been using 😛
 
And they have NO filter!! They say exactly what they're thinking without thinking of how the person will feel about it. Example there was someone there & they said to this person "Oh you Vegan, why you so fat"
Free speech is refreshing.
 
This is why I keep my conversation striaght to the point and short 😒 I assume they are already dealing with other customers asking 100's questions directly at them and getting annoyed and stop responding to you / they might screw up the order...If I have a simple questions I ask to the actual customers in the chats first and wait for the answer..
 
Just like your local used car salesperson, Chinese sales reps aren't your buddy, pal, or friend. They are interested in one thing, and that's getting you to pay them for whatever they're selling. Being concerned about their "attitude" is pointless and silly, and folks need to learn how to turn off their inner Karen or Kevin when buying peptides from China and treat it like the nameless, faceless, impersonal transaction that it is and leave emotions out of it.
I think you misunderstand my original post and I am well aware of "cultural differences". It was not a question of "concern", it was a notice of "change" in attitude. Personally, I don't give a shit if they're nice or assholes, if I don't like one, I'll find another. My point is that the consumer actually controls the narrative and success of any of these vendors. If we are stupid enough to keep buying from them when they give poor service then they will continue to have success AND maintain a shitty attitude. It's NOT a complaint, just an observation!
 
I think you misunderstand my original post and I am well aware of "cultural differences". It was not a question of "concern", it was a notice of "change" in attitude. Personally, I don't give a shit if they're nice or assholes, if I don't like one, I'll find another. My point is that the consumer actually controls the narrative and success of any of these vendors. If we are stupid enough to keep buying from them when they give poor service then they will continue to have success AND maintain a shitty attitude. It's NOT a complaint, just an observation!
I think you misunderstand my original post and I am well aware of "cultural differences". It was not a question of "concern", it was a notice of "change" in attitude. Personally, I don't give a shit if they're nice or assholes, if I don't like one, I'll find another. My point is that the consumer actually controls the narrative and success of any of these vendors. If we are stupid enough to keep buying from them when they give poor service then they will continue to have success AND maintain a shitty attitude. It's NOT a complaint, just an observation!
Sounds more like a complaint? Too me anyways
 
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I don’t know if I have experienced the attitude mentioned. I have contacted several vendors and they have all been responding as I would expect. I am definitely not on the 1k a month range order wise, but over the last 5-6 months I have steered towards one vendor and they have always been very responsive and engaging, I would say even to repetitive and probably irritating questions they must get all the time. They reply and do so normally.
My typical order with them has been in the $4-500 range for reference.
 
This seems like an appropriate thread to ask a sorta newbie question. I just ordered for the second time from the same vendor and I am very careful not to send any unnecessary messages. The order was placed and a photo of the mailing label was sent. Now I wait. My question is this: after how long with no acknowledgement from the shipping company (in this case Parcelforce) do I reach out to the vendor without it seeming pushy? Do they wait until they have enough orders to ship all at once? It’s been 5 days today and the tracking number still does not show on 17 Track. I just don’t want to be THAT guy so any advice is appreciated.
 
No harm in asking, but 5 days is just a blink in vendor time. It's harder to establish shipping routes these days and that might be the issue. If they told you it shipped, that's another issue.
 

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