Vendors using same suppliers

[kaahhllll]

So, through all of my forum-going and TG surfing, I've been noticing a pretty hard to miss trend. I keep seeing the same products, same vial cap color, with very comparable jano results, and they all have the same label on the top of the vial case. It seems too coincidental for every CN vendor to have the same label, with the same font, with the same abbreviations, and the same "for research purposes only". I got a kit of KLOW from WBS, then got a half kit from a GB from ALM, and saw results from a kit from ABC. All three kits look identical, and the variances between each kit is within 3-4% of eachother. What is the likelihood that all three of those vendors sourced their product from the same manufacturer and sold it separately? For reference, here is the ALM on the left and WBS on the right, and ABC vial from jano report(I can't track down which TG thread had the picture of the kit posted). All silver crimp, pink cap, pucks look the same, same amount of material in the puck.

Thoughts? Am I going full tin foil hat?

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Not the least bit surprising.

If you look at the vendor requirements in the vendor connection section you'll see that one of the things they are required to disclose is what type of vendor they are. There are a lot of what they call "trading companies" (essentially resellers in English), many of whom are sourcing from from the same places. And in general, those sources are usually not in the business of consumer-direct sales. This trading company model extends well beyond the peptide trade as well, pretty much into every industry over there.

 

[Airborne Daddy]

Not the least bit surprising.

If you look at the vendor requirements in the vendor connection section you'll see that one of the things they are required to disclose is what type of vendor they are. There are a lot of what they call "trading companies" (essentially resellers in English), many of whom are sourcing from from the same places. And in general, those sources are usually not in the business of consumer-direct sales. This trading company model extends well beyond the peptide trade as well, pretty much into every industry over there.

That would explain the orange and then the blood orange t30 caps the last 6 months....

 

[Airborne Daddy]

So, through all of my forum-going and TG surfing, I've been noticing a pretty hard to miss trend. I keep seeing the same products, same vial cap color, with very comparable jano results, and they all have the same label on the top of the vial case. It seems too coincidental for every CN vendor to have the same label, with the same font, with the same abbreviations, and the same "for research purposes only". I got a kit of KLOW from WBS, then got a half kit from a GB from ALM, and saw results from a kit from ABC. All three kits look identical, and the variances between each kit is within 3-4% of eachother. What is the likelihood that all three of those vendors sourced their product from the same manufacturer and sold it separately? For reference, here is the ALM on the left and WBS on the right, and ABC vial from jano report(I can't track down which TG thread had the picture of the kit posted). All silver crimp, pink cap, pucks look the same, same amount of material in the puck.

Thoughts? Am I going full tin foil hat?

No. Most of us agree there's 2 suppliers and 40 resellers. Also believe for a large order and small upcharge you can pick ur colors and NEXAfy it....

 

[ZippityDooDah]

No. Most of us agree there's 2 suppliers and 40 resellers. Also believe for a large order and small upcharge you can pick ur colors and NEXAfy it....

It sounds like there is some confusion among "most of us" since I'm aware of around a dozen or so suppliers ("factories") who are performing fill & finish production, but they are all sourcing their raws from 3-5 manufacturers doing the actual synthesis and purification.

 

[Airborne Daddy]

It sounds like there is some confusion among "most of us" since I'm aware of around a dozen or so suppliers ("factories") who are performing fill & finish production, but they are all sourcing their raws from 3-5 manufacturers doing the actual synthesis and purification.

Ok I suppose I meant manufacturers but how does that explain a bunch of vendors with the same colored caps on the same product/strength.... definitely not a big list of raw suppliers, you wont find masteron enanthate last few months except the lower dose propionate ester.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Ok I suppose I meant manufacturers but how does that explain a bunch of vendors with the same colored caps on the same product/strength.... definitely not a big list of raw suppliers, you wont find masteron enanthate last few months except the lower dose propionate ester.

Of the fill & finish ops, as I mentioned earlier there are a handful that will only sell to trading companies (or foreign vendors placing very large orders), and many may not even produce every single peptide so it doesn't surprise me in the least that certain products by a variety of trading companies are identical. We saw this in mid-2023 with Dongdroppings (Dongdu) and at least 3 other companies (whose names escape me because they aren't nearly as memorable) selling a bunch of underdosed and low-purity tirz that were in identical vials with identical orange crimps and caps, and even had the same little labels with the red border and Chinese writing on them (in the old-school white kit boxes for those who remember them).