Well, fuck peptide test

[noteablequotable]

I just think, from what I've witnessed on several platforms, he's a generally decent person who is being unfairly criticized...I don't think he's out here to hurt people, which seems to be the implication.

I don't happen to think he's out to hurt anyone either. In fact, I've encountered very few people in this space who I would say are intentionally malicious. Most of the controversy in this community is due to lack of professionalism, inadequate risk controls, low emotional intelligence, or carelessness. That doesn't mean those mistakes (if you want to call them that) aren't important. They often are, and we then have to come to a decision about whether or not we think someone is likely to repeat their mistakes and if that risk is something you can live with.

I had to make a similar decision about Nexaph right when I joined the forum, and after thoroughly interrogating Cain I decided that he seemed to have a clear understanding of his errors and was capable of avoiding similar issues in the future, in spite of warnings from folks like @exploitedworkerbee. I was wrong about that, and while it didn't blow up in my face, things didn't turn out well for others. When I questioned Cain about this most recent incident it was clear that he didn't have a sense of what he'd done wrong. I am no longer a customer, and it's not because I received bad product or I think he's an evil person, it's because I no longer trust his judgement.

I chimed in here because I think these accusations are unfair. They fucked up on an email, owned it right away, apologized, and changed their system so it won't happen again. Really what more can you ask, other than to go back in time and have it not happen at all?

It would be nice to no which specific changes he intends to make but that's not my Hill to die on. When stuff like this happens you will always lose some of your customers and there's really nothing to be done about it.

I still don't really understand why PT gets all the hate and Tisch gets none. Tisch is the one who agreed to the arrangement. Tisch is the one who allowed the monopoly to occur - they could have said no, but they didn't, and they were under no duress when they did so. Those aren't even the only 4mm filters available - for someone trying to maliciously corner the market, he picked a remarkably tiny corner.

Without rambling on more, PT gets hate because his communication around the issue was bad: the way he initially framed the decision to ask for an exclusivity agreement, his lack of disclosure about the agreement when promoting the product, and the way he spoke to upset community members. It was one of the rare instances I've seen where someone created 100% of their own problems.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Firing people for making mistakes is how you have a constant churn of new people making the same mistakes the old ones did.

Humans are wired to make mistakes. If you give an employee the task of copy and pasting names into the BCC field when the CC field is right next to it, there's always a chance that someone will accidentally put it in the wrong field. It's a repetitive task where a mistake is easy to be made.

The correct thing to do is figure out a mechanism to fix this process, such as moving to mailing list software that manages the list for you. Now you can't accidentally CC people on the list instead of BCC, you send a single email instead of multiple (unless you are testing multiple variations to test conversion rate), people can properly unsubscribe, etc.

Any time someone makes a mistake, your questions should be on the how and why of it, and very rarely on the person themselves. Sometimes, yeah, it is gross negligence, but most of the time, removing the person doesn't remove the problem, only forces you to spend time/money finding a replacement.

I absolutely agree, I re-read my post and meant to say the person should'nt be fired.

I have a fairly large number of people that report to me or report to managers that report to me and I have never, and will never will, terminate someone because of a mistake. Well actually, the sales guy that got drunk and wrecked his company car, yes, I terminated him.

 

[GLP69]

people getting upset over this filter thing are just looking for something to be mad about imo. Even assuming the absolute worst of the situation still makes it an absolute nothingburger.

An employee screws up an email and suddenly people are digging under the couch cushions for something to be upset about.

 

[beefsteak]

I have zero proof but I doubt PT have any employees to begin with. I'm betting it's a husband and wife type operation. Both domains were created around the same time and same registrar. YouTube channel was renamed and still have family videos hosted. Equipment on the tutorial videos are all off the shelf Amazon type stuff. Website was super basic up until a few weeks ago with zero ordering mechanism and both husband and wife obviously knows nothing about technology but are trying.

The husband probably worked professionally in the chemistry field before starting his own businesses carrying over the knowledge. One kid middle class American family easily impressed by entry level sports cars as shown in the YouTube videos. You can dig more records up if you parcel search the provided names on the tests, assuming they're real.

But yeah they need to consult chatgpt before doing anything next time. They're hustling hard but are making some mistakes.

 

[nccane]

I have zero proof but I doubt PT have any employees to begin with. I'm betting it's a husband and wife type operation. Both domains were created around the same time and same registrar. YouTube channel was renamed and still have family videos hosted. Equipment on the tutorial videos are all off the shelf Amazon type stuff. Website was super basic up until a few weeks ago with zero ordering mechanism and both husband and wife obviously knows nothing about technology but are trying.

The husband probably worked professionally in the chemistry field before starting his own businesses carrying over the knowledge. One kid middle class American family easily impressed by entry level sports cars as shown in the YouTube videos. You can dig more records up if you parcel search the provided names on the tests, assuming they're real.

But yeah they need to consult chatgpt before doing anything next time. They're hustling hard but are making some mistakes.

Pretty sure peptide test is just one guy who signed a marketing agreement with Trustpointe Analytics who was looking for a way to reach customers.

Then you have trustpointe analytics who truly is a husband and wife get up who worked in lab quality control in the pharmaceutical industry.

This used to all get talked about out in the open in a certain testing server.

Two distinct businesses. One lab and one marketing/supplies business that has an agreement. Different people. One registered in MI, one registered in TN

 

[hexagonal]

I absolutely agree, I re-read my post and meant to say the person should'nt be fired.

I have a fairly large number of people that report to me or report to managers that report to me and I have never, and will never will, terminate someone because of a mistake. Well actually, the sales guy that got drunk and wrecked his company car, yes, I terminated him.

Makes a lot more sense that it was a typo, lol. I was thinking "damn GimmeABreak is cold AF, saying people should be fired around christmas time"

 

[MiniatureSnail]

I have zero proof but I doubt PT have any employees to begin with. I'm betting it's a husband and wife type operation. Both domains were created around the same time and same registrar. YouTube channel was renamed and still have family videos hosted. Equipment on the tutorial videos are all off the shelf Amazon type stuff. Website was super basic up until a few weeks ago with zero ordering mechanism and both husband and wife obviously knows nothing about technology but are trying.

The husband probably worked professionally in the chemistry field before starting his own businesses carrying over the knowledge. One kid middle class American family easily impressed by entry level sports cars as shown in the YouTube videos. You can dig more records up if you parcel search the provided names on the tests, assuming they're real.

But yeah they need to consult chatgpt before doing anything next time. They're hustling hard but are making some mistakes.

I do believe he's mentioned hiring a couple of extra actually employees, but could be mistaken or something could have changed without my knowledge. I do know that it was getting to be too much work for one person and the plan was to hire some help.

 

[gothpeacock]

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Speaking of kitschy shit I won an ugly 3d printed storage book on the Reddit cluster fuck telegram. Anyone want it before I throw it out just pay the shipping

I’m not even sure its purpose since it only holds a few vials and takes up a ton of freezer space

I’m in that TG group too, what a time

 

[Peevee]

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I’m in that TG group too, what a time

Fucking Reddit weirdos
I joined and didn’t participate and won the drawing so I got sucked in lol

Got a free t30 from amo tho

 

[gothpeacock]

Fucking Reddit weirdos
I joined and didn’t participate and won the drawing so I got sucked in lol

Got a free t30 from amo tho

We all started somewhere, reddit subs were definitely my gateway to grey peps but I’m continuously a bit afraid for some of the folks in that group

 

[Peevee]

We all started somewhere, reddit subs were definitely my gateway to grey peps but I’m continuously a bit afraid for some of the folks in that group

It’s like they’re stunted somehow

 

[gothpeacock]

It’s like they’re stunted somehow

It gives the same vibes as the FB pep groups

 

[Peevee]

It gives the same vibes as the FB pep groups

Yeah, exactly.

 

[Glp1judd]

Oh man. Tough week in peptide land.

 

[normal]

Fucking Reddit weirdos
I joined and didn’t participate and won the drawing so I got sucked in lol

Got a free t30 from amo tho

That's just the reddit crowd lol

 

[keangkong]

For full disclosure, I'm recently (last month or so) a mod in their discord, which basically means I'm a janitor and I'm there to turn on slowmode when people get on a rant. I was active in the and he was like hey, can you help, so I said sure.

I am wholly, 100% unaffiliated with the business itself and you're right, I really don't know how they're structured. I just delete comments and enforce discord rules. It's probably very similar to how I'm sure you get nothing out of being a mod here.

From what I can tell from my personal experience, he spends a lot more time answering questions and helping people organize group tests than he does making marketing announcements. That's just what I've seen in that space. I'm certainly not saying they make 0 marketing announcements, because, as a business, that'd be silly. Of course they need to market themselves, that's part of how you make a business successful.

I've also purchased supplies from his shop, but he doesn't know that because I keep my real name and email completely separate from this MiniatureSnail account. I've never received an unsolicited email, even though they have all my info.

I chimed in here because I think these accusations are unfair. They fucked up on an email, owned it right away, apologized, and changed their system so it won't happen again. Really what more can you ask, other than to go back in time and have it not happen at all?

With the filter thing, I had a long discussion with Kernal Panic Frenzy (if anyone knows him) several months back to try to understand (he's been their most vocal opposition), and while I think it was an amicable discussion, I still don't really understand why PT gets all the hate and Tisch gets none. Tisch is the one who agreed to the arrangement. Tisch is the one who allowed the monopoly to occur - they could have said no, but they didn't, and they were under no duress when they did so. Those aren't even the only 4mm filters available - for someone trying to maliciously corner the market, he picked a remarkably tiny corner.

I just think, from what I've witnessed on several platforms, he's a generally decent person who is being unfairly criticized and I would speak up for anyone in the same position. Yeah, he's running a business, he makes business decisions.... But I don't think he's out here to hurt people, which seems to be the implication.

Do I think that the guy from Peptide Test is influenced by financial considerations? Sure. That's his job. He also spends much time helping people. I'm sick of hearing that everyone who makes money off of peptides is a sleazeball. Some are. Some are not.

 

[GimmeABreak]

I actually had Peptide Test reach out to me in regards sharing a COA for ASC T30 I had tested a couple of months ago. Someone contacted PT with a copy of my COA with the QR Code crossed out and the peptide manufacturer "erased" and wanted PT to validate the COA. PT said it was private and that they would contact me to see if I wanted to share it. He provided the contact info for the person looking for the COA and I forwarded it to her. I thought he handled it very professionally.

The women that I helped however, can kiss my (now) skinny white ass, not so much as damn "thank you". Crickets....

 

[peptideusername]

Do I think that the guy from Peptide Test is influenced by financial considerations? Sure. That's his job. He also spends much time helping people. I'm sick of hearing that everyone who makes money off of peptides is a sleazeball. Some are. Some are not.

No one is saying that making money is sleazy. It's how the money is made that can be sleazy. And the whole filter exclusivity thing is sleazy. Same for testing through TrustPointe. Then when you start to notice (if you're able to...) a trend in these actions, that's when you can identify a character as such.

It's so funny to me when folks show up, take a quick look around and say
"what's the problem? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ " without doing much to understand the context of the comments made by those who didn't just show up.

 

[GLP69]

No one is saying that making money is sleazy. It's how the money is made that can be sleazy. And the whole filter exclusivity thing is sleazy. Same for testing through TrustPointe. Then when you start to notice (if you're able to...) a trend in these actions, that's when you can identify a character as such.

It's so funny to me when folks show up, take a quick look around and say
"what's the problem? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ " without doing much to understand the context of the comments made by those who didn't just show up.

This is about as pretentious a post as I've seen around here honestly. several of the people in here are some of the first to have even interacted with him. There's been plenty of stuff happen in this community that warranted an uproar, but you all are trying to manufacture this one.

I've slowly come to realize that a lot of you are as invested in the drama as you are the peptides.

 

[penewbie]

I can't believe you managed to fill 7 pages in a couple of days over a simple email leak. Impressive.