keangkong
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We're Bashing SRY this time.
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Obstinate and wrong is what this scene is all about.
I’ve been reading this thread and wanted to jump in now. I have no love for SRY never used them , never will. However, just because they are who they are does not give people the right to accuse them of something with very little ( if any evidence) and people just to accept it. Gibs has not shown any evidence to the PTDS mods. The evidence they’ve seen is from another mod who publicly admitted that his experience is not on the scale of hot packing . I asked this mod on GoodKitty behalf to share this evidence with me or with GK and he refused. I believe the decision to make SRY danger was simply on the basis of the hot packing claims to be true .Now if we are to accept Gibs story without substantive evidence does that not lead the way to other people accusing other vendors with no proof for their own benefit. This would be a very dangerous example to set. Gibs story has many holes which I can share but are all in my channel. EG. The letter says goods seized on 23 October yet by 31 October he says in another forum that he got the letter the other day . How quick is that for a customs case? He’s also said that SRY sending it is “Pure conjecture”. He’s a very avid shopper and I have all his recent purchases from this forum. Lots of them. It’s possible he actually did receive a customs letter for a box of S,,ds but it could just have been a regular seizure of one of his purchases that he forgot about since he’s done so many. All it says on the ledger we are shown is containing one box of S,,,ds nowhere does it say “labelled” . Also the way he is, he’ll likely have many enemies so could be anyone of them sending a hot pack. Do customs also contact the sender of a hot pack too? Why would SRY risk this for themselves? His fight with ALan started on 21 October when he callled for Akz. To “come out to play”. I’ve checked the chat prior and not much there. Yet the hot pack arrived at customs on 23 October. How is that even possible. I’m all about facts. There is one extremely vocal PTDS mod who seems to think I’m an SRY supporter by doing this and even told me I’m in business with them bc of all the testing I’ve done. He sent me several DMs which were unnecessary. This nurse here has taken it upon herself to make snide comments about me at every opportunity. Why ? What have I done? Does anyone think I went ahead and posted my post in peppys without getting it checked first. I find it very strange how there are just a couple of extremely vocal people against me . Does make me wonder why ? Anyway I just wanted to chime in with the “evidence” that I’ve uncovered. If people had been more forthcoming with any evidence they had to start with then this whole drama would have been laid to rest days ago no doubt instead
Also although I’m replying to Notesblequotable, im not directing this at him specifically. Just to everyone in general involved in this thread
noteablequotable
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Interesting. Do you want to explain exactly who you are? I happen to frequent other forums like this where astroturfing is a regular occurrence, so I immediately noticed that you only joined this forum and hour ago. What name(s) are you using on PDTS and Peppy's?
A few things I want to add to this conversation while I wait for this person to reply:
First, there will never be definitive proof of Gibs being hot packed. Alan will never admit it, and we will never get access to the packaging Gibs received so we cannot compare it to previous packages sent by SRY. We have no subpoena power here so if that's the standard you're applying there's no point in this back and forth. What's at stake IMHO is whether or not it's possible or probable that Alan sent the hot pack, and that's another story altogether.
I think this context has been completely lost. Much of the drama were talking about (including the postage issue) was first documented on Meso where there are 20+ pages of people other than Gibs with valid complaints about Alan: taking people's money and not delivering product, blocking people who complained about missing product, lying about his intent to fix the issue multiple times before finally blocking people who complained about missing product, sending the kind of product what could get you killed with too much variance in dosing, refusing to follow up on promises to provide 2nd party tests, proving 2nd party tests that did not match Jano results, etc.
Multiple customers had issues with missing product and he tried to promotion his way though it like no one would notice. It got so bad that the community started downvoting his posts and basically had to bully him into delivering for one person's August which wasn't received until the end of October.
SRY completely burned their reputation in that community, not just with Gibs. So while he comes over to the Peptide community and pretends to be a poor victim that some mystery person is trying to tear down that's not quite the case.
I'll try to post some specific links later but everything after this post is relevant: https://thinksteroids.com/community...estic-shipping.134425028/page-27#post-3323545
I also want to be clear about this since it keeps coming up and I've discussed it with Krysia who I love and support even though I think our opinions are diverging:
It's very possible that the timeline makes sense. Right now we don't actually know.
While Gibs' first public message to Alan on Discord happened on the 21st of October, because he is a member of Meso and also has access to Alan's email and Whatsapp it's very possible that he contacted them via those methods earlier than that. If you read through that Meso thread you'll quickly notice that like the customer who had to wait months for Alan to honor his order, people often have to reach out to Alan multiple times over multiple channels to get resolution. The gap between when Gibs and Alan started fighting and when he received the hot pack may be wider than we think. We're not likely to get support from Gibs in clearing this up because Peptide folks weren't very nice to him, so I believe Krysia has asked Alan to turn over his communication with Gibs. To my knowledge Alan hasn't responded yet.
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Flossy's recollection or summary matches the information provided by Krysia.
Krysia asked me to relay her latest information from her channel on this thread/forum, but I've been reluctant to do this for several reasons. I was going to put together a summary along with the screens and post it today, but Flossy's summary is accurate less the backing screens.
The hotpack issue just seems to be a nothingburger overall when compared contrasted against the other claims. Even if the hotpack claim is true, it doesn't result in any harm to someone who's received 20+ seizure letters in the past. Therefore, it just seems to be a distraction, and the real crime is probably all the time that is spent discussing it.
I'm more interested in the real and tangible issues brought up by forum members, such as promises made but promises not kept.
noteablequotable
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It's possible that's true but it doesn't answer my question about who they are. They are obviously not a "normal" forum member and came here with the explicit goal of shaping the direction of this conversation.
Whether or not a hot pack was sent in this particular case, I don't think we should ever brush off the practice as "not harmful" in any context because we cannot predict how the authorities will respond to each instance.
That said, I think I was pretty clear about this in my post but at this point there's not really anything to argue about if the goal is to prove definitively whether or not Alan sent a hot pack. We're not going to get that.
It honestly feels like the people most reluctant to drop the issue are the people defending SRY and insisting it absolutely could not have happened. The only things I've asserted are the following:
- Gibs' story is pretty consistent, and his belief that SRY sent him a hot pack appears to be genuine.
- It is possible that the timeline people have attempted to establish is off because we don't know when Gibs first started messaging Alan. We know he posted in the SRY discord on 21 October, but we don't know if there were messages before that on other platforms.
- Even if the timeline according to Gibs checks out we will never have enough proof to fully validate his claims.
I don't know how any of that is controversial, and I've been shocking consistent about this position. From oldest to newest:
"Double down on what? I legitimately have no clue what happened here, but I don't think the fact that this OG appears to be an asshole necessarily makes him a lying asshole."
"No, we know nothing, and nothing has been solved."
"I still don't believe that we have enough information to know what happened here"
"As much as this guy does not seem great, he could also be telling the truth. We don't have enough information to really understand what went on so that's my current stance: I don't know."
"That doesn't mean he's lying, it just means we can't prove he's telling the truth."
According to wordcounter.net I wrote 223 words about that and you didn't comment on it at all. That's actually why I tagged EWB in my last post. I don't know how he feels, but in my book everything on Meso probably warrants a warning on its own, independent of the HP claims.
I’m sorry but what on god’s green earth are you talking about? If the hot pack claim is true and this vendor made an attempt—however hamfisted it turned out to be—to get law enforcement eyeballs on a customer, that is just about the most heinous thing a vendor can do aside from sending literal poison. Your take here really demonstrates how bad a handle you have on all of this.
I'd discourage you from trying to conclude the intentions of the post and the person. The post was mostly a relay of what you've probably already seen on Krysia's chat channel. What benefit is gained by knowing who Flossy is if you've already seen Krysia's posts and can reference that to the post Flossy made?
I haven't brushed it off as "not harmful" in as a practice. In fact, I've stated that if someone were to hotpack someone, why wouldn't they be more malicious and send something that tests positive for opioids?
Then even Gibs himself says it's "pure conjecture"
Agreed
I'd like to drop this issue and look at the other issues in more detail. I think the hotpack is a nothingburger
No it isn't consistent. I've posted a screenshot above where he says it's "pure conjecture". Please see above.
There is a lot of the story that is missing.
Agreed
Despite your consistency. There is inconsistencies through the narrative.
Not sure where I stated "double down". I've conceded that a broken clock is right twice a day. And if Gibs believed it, then suddenly he isn't lying that he believes Alan hotpacked him. It doesn't make it true. And again, Gibs stated that it was "pure conjecture" in his mind. So clearly he doesn't believe it. So you are wrong here.
Not sure the reference here.
I still think it's a nothingburger. He got a customs letter for steroids which he threw away. If it was for narcotics he's never ordered, or a substance outside of his normal behavior patterns. That would be more interesting as it would show some malicious intent.
That's fine.
I posted a screenshot above where he states it's "pure conjecture". If you want to continue this angle, I suggest you post something more than quotes, and perhaps consider screenshots where he's changed from "pure conjecture" to "absolute belief".
It says "1 Box containing"...
Date altercation started
Timeline inconsistency.
Here's an example of someone else's timeline for a seizure letter.
That is all I have at this point.
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I haven't seen you post anything factual about this incident.
Sorry you think my take on this is demonstrates a bad handle on the situation. I think you're, again, discrediting yourself by posting statements like this.
I haven't seen a shred of evidence that would lead me to conclude the claim is true. If you have some please post it instead of attacking my credibility.
You’re bonkers. I haven’t said anything about the facts of the case because they’re unclear. What is a fact is that hot packing someone is a fucking heinous thing to do if it happened. You said it’s no big deal. I’m not making claims about whether it did or did not occur so my credibility is not relevant
Please quote specifically where I categorically said that any "hotpack" scenario is "no big deal".
Sorry if I was unclear in that statement. It was referencing these screens.
Categorically, I've referred to the practice as "abhorrent". Please review my first post in this thread for that information.
For convenience I will link where I stated that the practice is abhorrent.
penewbie
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I had to quote this because I feel like giving a simple thumbs up isn't doing enough justice to how much I agree with this.
Unbelievable someone would actually try to minimize a vendor possibly doing this shit.
It's nuts.
noteablequotable
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This was me quoting all of my other posts from this thread (the old fashioned way) where I said I don't think there are enough facts to support a conclusion
Their intent is clear. It may not be malicious but they were absolutely attempting to influence the direction of the conversation without identifying themselves. That makes it difficult to evaluate their credibility and motives. You can see pretty much everything I've written about this on public forums attached to the same name. I stand behind what I'm saying.
This is the thing I'm disputing and I don't know why you're pinning your conclusions to this. It is possible that Alan and Gibs started fighting about this elsewhere and it only spilled over to discord on 21 October. We don't know, and the only way to know would be to get access to their communications.
These are not screenshots of things Gibs said. These are unattributed screenshots of text from a platform that looks like discord. We can't conclude anything from this at all.
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Read my response. I've already stated that it is "abhorrent" as a practice.
Your message is uninformed and wrong. Please stop trying to misconstrue my words.
Fair.
In conclusion, I think our time would be better served digging deeper into the other issues that have been raised than continuing this conversation about the hotpack scenario.
Please note: For those with comprehension difficulties. The practice of HOTPACKING IS ABHORRENT.
penewbie
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I didn't misconstrue your words, here they are, in all their glory:
This comment utterly insane. You not seeing just how insane it is, is part of the insanity.
You're just manipulating and misconstruing my words. You're not adding any value to this conversation whatsoever. I'm done responding to you.
