Not screenshotting internal conversations is a very common rule. Anyone is free to join the group it's really not that hard to get access.
I'm aware that anyone who is selling peptides is concerned about making a profit. There are folks involved in discussing peptides who spent money on helping us discuss them, but none of them are selling things. I don't have anything against a vendor for making a profit. That's what vendors do. Although I'm not in sales, when I work, I get paid. While it's usual to know who has a profit motive, the fact that someone has one does not mean that the person is not doing useful work. I could shop at a nonprofit collective. Instead I'm likely to buy at Amazon. QSC aims to make a profit. So does SRY. As does Amolist and Walgreens, which has sold me Zepbound. Saying that SRY aims to make a profit doesn't tend to prove them unreliable. In some ways, the whole way we buy seems shady. We often pay in crypto. We have no good way of forcing the return of our money if scammed. Yet these same facts, which are known to most buyers, force sellers to behave responsibility so that people won't say bad things about them on forums. SRY appears to have many people saying bad things about SRY based upon things that seem quite unlikely to have happened. (I will not argue about the fentanyl allegations; although I bought from SRY after those allegations were made public, I believe that not buying for SRY based upon those is a valid reason. My heart wouldn't be into trying to change someone's mind on the issue.)
i look at this all through a lens of credibility. I don’t know gibs so can’t really say much about their credibility, although masquerading as a vendor for whatever reason doesn’t predispose me to much trust. Krysia is no vendor simp, she has a track record of really digging into these types of questions and coming to a fair determination. PTDS, I can say the most about because I have personally been involved in designating the “buyer beware” tag. It was always, without exception, reserved for severe wrongdoing such as theft from customers or established patterns of poor quality. Sry as a vendor has had plenty of demonstrated issues and has an obvious agenda since they profit from the outcome of this conversation, so not a particularly credible source.
I'm a lawyer. Every now and then I heard about a lawyer getting into trouble with State Bar disciplinary authorities. When I read the disciplinary opinions, my own opinion is usually the same: I'm glad the lawyer got into trouble, either suspended or disbarred. I know, at least where I practice, that lawyers almost never get into trouble with the State Bar unless they deserve it. Why am I bringing this up? Well, I don't feel an obligation to defend shady lawyers just because I'm a lawyer. I'm not all about defending people who are supposedly like me. I prefer people act with integrity. When vendors do shady things, I'll be glad to criticize. However, when community members who happen to live closer to me than the vendors do shady things, I'll criticize them also. From what I've observed in peptide forums generally is that folks are quite quick to blame vendors. That's to a large degree a good thing. We have to trust them since we have don't have any real means to force them to behave ethically. At the same time, it's time to acknowledge that the major vendors that we deal with over and over again generally have pretty good track records. This whole hot packet story never made any logical sense. Why would a company interested in making money be selling grey market items go out of its way to get someone into a tiny amount of trouble knowing that the likely consequence would be tons of bad publicity? It never made any sense. SRY wants to make money. SRY wants to make profits. A company so motivated would not send a hot packe.t
It's good that we discussed these matters. When people discuss things, they often won't agree about everything. Thank you for your work moderating this forum and for your contributions.
Of course it's shady, it's the black market. Again, I'm not defending anyone here and hope people will do what they need to do to protect themselves and others.
If I understand correctly, I can't currently join. I don't think I agree with the position of the current mods, but if I had the opportunity, I'd read what they had to say about things. It's not uncommon for me to change my opinion when I hear someone else's argument.
I believe this site is good about keeping people who are vendors from impersonating people who are not. That means that pretty much all the opinions on this issue are coming from people who are advocating what they believe. To be clear, my opinion on what likely happened is pretty close to that advocated by brentm. However, it's not like the folks who disagree are sitting at home saying: "I know SRY didn't do this hot packet thing, but I'm going to argue that they did." People are advocating their point of view because that is what they genuinely believe.
What slander or libel have I committed? Again learn how to read and digest what I have said rather than just coming to "own" me or whatever it is you think you're doing. I get my old and tired warnings from the founder of this forums @ZippityDooDah. https://glp1forum.com/threads/important-disclaimer.901/
At this particular moment new members are delayed for obvious reasons. But anyone can go over to peppys and jump through a couple simple hoops to get an invite.
This one has definitely entered circus territory
Hot pack is not a new thing invented by this one guy. It has happened in the steroid scene before. Just because you had never heard of it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist independently of your knowledge, and the idea of a vendor wanting to discipline or punish an unruly aggrieved customer doesnt seem like it should be that big a stretch. Your argument that it doesn’t make sense is weak, since it’s been a thing for many years
No you're being an asshole to anyone who doesn't align with your point of view and saying they have "Illusion of Superiority or Confirmation Bias" or "Seems like you'd have to have a low moral compass to get behind the "hotpack" scenario."
so recent threads have told us ordering from QSC and SRY is risky. Others are not as high volume and established and don't have as wide variety of products. I don't know.
We all discuss to elucidate the risks and benefits, then everyone can evaluate the various vendors against their own individual level of risk tolerance and priorities. It’s why we encourage people to read instead of just saying “use this vendor.” Your pushback on the process you’re witnessing stems from your preference for the “use this vendor” model, and there are better places than glp1f for you because of that.
