For those who don’t test

[TeresaHip]

A forum member.

Bill

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for him.

 

[Oldguy]

Could the CN peptide manufactures have better QC, yes. Do they want to put out anything that would cause some bad publicity, no. This is multi million dollar industry for them. If it makes you feel better to have it tested, go ahead. Thinking they have more batches with over fill than under fill and no one complained

 

[Grogu]

I’ve snorted coke off the back of a dive bar toilet… Chinese peptides are surely less dangerous than the assorted concoctions I ingested in my twenties 😆

Robert, is that you? I thought you were busy at the FDA trying to make peptides more avaiable 🤣.

 

[Grogu]

I personally don't want to waste $300 of my own money and vials of my peptides to send off to be tested. If I wanted to spend that kind of money, I wouldn't be buying gray in the first place. I filter and from what I have heard, vendors don't replace bad batches half the time anyway. This is why I spend a lot of time finding group buys. Not only is the product cheaper, testing is included in the price.

That’s the thing, you don’t have to spend $300 of your own money. You’ve found your way to group buys. There is also testing groups to share in the costs. I’m definitely not suggesting that everyone should be out there doing testing on their own. This is definitely one of those times where coordination with others is a win-win.

 

[RaveBaddie]

I don't test and do not filter.
Like a few others here before me mentioned that they partied hard in their twenties... I did the same and then some 🤣😜
That shit was also not tested, and purchased from a 'friend of a friend'. I listened to my body then and I will listen to how my body reacts now.
For me it's a calculated risk.
I sample a few vendors and stick with the good experiences and stay with the Telegram groups I like.

 

[sheilarae74]

That’s the thing, you don’t have to spend $300 of your own money. You’ve found your way to group buys. There is also testing groups to share in the costs. I’m definitely not suggesting that everyone should be out there doing testing on their own. This is definitely one of those times where coordination with others is a win-win.

I looked into group testing before I ever found group buys. The thing is, finding one that can be trusted and that has the same batch as you is another story. But then again, I guess the same could be said about group buys.

 

[Grogu]

I looked into group testing before I ever found group buys. The thing is, finding one that can be trusted and that has the same batch as you is another story. But then again, I guess the same could be said about group buys.

Totally agree. Group testing, after you’ve already bought the kit, change be a challenge. I planned my purchases around vendors where a lot of independent testing is happening. Then found my way to group buys and I think that that is the way.

 

[BlueDog55]

I don't test. Question for the Pro need to test people. If the compounds came from the USA or your own country and the manufacturing was done there also would you still test and worry so much?

 

[SeaGypsy]

I am in the middle. I usually pin tested or not. I do very small doses for the first few injections to watch for any reactions, if there are no reactions I roll into the full protocol.
I am also in a test group and contribute to some testing. My thought process is that the testing of the vendors products encourages the vendors to be on top of the manufacturing process. Bad test is bad for business to all involved. Not saying my thought process is accurate.....

 

[staffn1]

I'm happy that other people spend their money testing to keep my vendors honest. I wouldn't spend my own money (except a few bucks towards group testing) because the data itself says nothing about the remaining vials in a batch.

Go testing!

 

[unclebuff702]

Test with your body !
get a epipen and enjoy

Now this is the definition of research! Pin and pray. I watch for others' alerts (like the recent endo warnings etc) and just hope for the best and listen to my body..

Probably not the safest way to handle business, but still safer than being fat, sick, and metabolically on the decline. I sent a few vials per kit in for testing in the beginning, but then I realized how likely (or unlikely rather) it was for all the vials in a kit to be from the same batch.

 

[jamesprt]

Initially i bought some products (expensive) through my doctor, and I know he does testing on them. Later, I started exploring this forum/marketplace section. I spent some time reviewing the discussions on TG, lab test results, and feedback from other users, and then I bought a few products myself.

 

[spanky2026]

That’s the thing, you don’t have to spend $300 of your own money. You’ve found your way to group buys. There is also testing groups to share in the costs. I’m definitely not suggesting that everyone should be out there doing testing on their own. This is definitely one of those times where coordination with others is a win-win.

I'd HAPPILY pay toward a group test if I could figure out how to. Two advanced degrees and I still can't make heads or tails of DS or TG.

 

[Grogu]

I'd HAPPILY pay toward a group test if I could figure out how to. Two advanced degrees and I still can't make heads or tails of DS or TG.

I hate both TG and DS, but both are necessary evils in the group test and group buy space. I resisted both for a long time, but eventually got the idea.

I like to think that Telegram and Discord faciliate conversations; and a forum like glp-1 is a library of knowledge being built in public. Glp-1 forum is much easier to research and learn things because of the threads that are created. But on the other hand, TG and DS have really good search features. TG is still overwhelming for me, but I don't read all that shit. I follow a few groups that I'm in, especially when I'm waiting for product. Hang in there, it will make more sense eventually.

 

[Grogu]

I am part of a GB that had a fill issue. The seller sure is doing what needs done to make it right. Might be the same ones you're talking about.

Good to hear that the seller is making good on the guarantee! I'm not sure how your seller is handling it, but we keep our original kits and got replacement kits 1 for 1. It was a win-win. I was so freaking glad we tested.

 

[TeresaHip]

Good to hear that the seller is making good on the guarantee! I'm not sure how your seller is handling it, but we keep our original kits and got replacement kits 1 for 1. It was a win-win. I was so freaking glad we tested.

I am missing out on group buys it looks like.
Was it the 100 tirzepitide?

 

[LabRatts]

I am super new, am a little nervous/cautious and am pro-testing, even though the cost is a bit prohibitive since I’m still learning and have yet to figure out group testing/group buys. On here and STG, testing seems to be the norm, but on a few peptide Discords I’m on, some of the people are very cavalier about it and are surprised I’m going to fork out almost $700 to run a few tests before using. The biggest argument against testing I’ve seen is that You never know if the vial being tested (either in private or group tests) actually corresponds to/ reflects the vials you’ll use for research (I’ve heard a lot of people on either side of the testing fence say vendor batch numbers/cap colors are kind of useless). Others rely on vendor tests that have links to the testing site for verification and are fine with that.

If you don’t test, are these your reasons or do you have others? Have you ever had a bad or null reaction compared to what you were expecting to get? I’m not being judgy, I’m just curious!

I'm buying injectables from Chyna-
No tests.
🫡

 

[miameow]

I just feel like testing keeps the vendors on their toes, at least. Otherwise they will be cutting corners left and right, though they already probably do, it would be far, far worse.

 

[BNLFL]

When you say your “main two” is that peptides or GBs? For the one where you can find the test eventually, do you use your product before finding out test results? If so have you ever had a less than positive experience?

I like Discord if it’s a small server with friends with less than 50 people…but when there’s hundreds or more, trying to follow the convo is the worst and super time consuming!

Yes-I am waaaay too inexperienced to enter a group buy/group test sitch. A lot more reading, lurking and question posting to do. I can’t even imagine to know who to trust, or even the basic procedure (I have seen tips on here to follow the STG TG but I’m even newer to TG than I am here!) 🤣

I have two US vendors I've bought a crap load from before leaping head first into GB. I never used it without the COA, and honestly, I'm concerned about total volume for mixing. It's nice most are including Endo. I have a pretty good bunch of places for GB now.TG is easy if I just stick with the groups I've joined. TG does suck for searching though.

Did you all share this with the forum. Did you put a review in.

Bill

You generally keep the GB stuff silent. That's why you see us abbreviate names.

Bnfl?

Me.

 

[5byfive]

these things are manufactured in chinese labs with no batching/lotting.

there is no reason to believe that any single vial chosen from a kit of 10 vials is the same batch/lot as the other 9 vials.

I regularly see people reporting issues with 1 vial in a kit but not the other 9. i have seen people test 2 vials from the same kit and have them come back with different concentrations, fillers and purity.

the moral of the story is, you are only testing the single vial itself and it doesnt reliably tell you anything about the other 9 in the kit but people still do it because it makes them feel safe.

Peter Magic of Janoshik stated on a podcast that about 1/25 vials he tests has no product in them only filler. he has seen virtually no vials contaminated with endotoxins because nothing except hgh is made through recombinant processes, all the other peptides can be manufactured less expensive with easier methods. nearly every peptide he tests is 95% plus purity.

so from a practical standpoint, unless if you are testing in volume it is likely you arent ever going to find anything concerning as a result of testing.

from a pragmatic standpoint, if you have the money and are willing to throw out your kits if you dont like how they test, then do it

I think there is very good reason to believe that all the vials in a kit are from the same batch. They are not running dozens of these at a time, they are running thousands. Combining vials from a different batches is impractical and unlikely. Maybe it happens 1 in 10,000 when transitioning between batches but it would not be common. People getting different results from different vials in the same kit is wayyyy more likely to be reconstruction errors. The most likely answer is probably the correct one.

Peter has said that the 1 in 25 number mainly comes from vendors testing when they are trying out new sources. We do not see this happening with vials from major vendors.

He has also basically retracted the statement about endos. He had never seen a fail until recently but they are seeing fails now.

 

[Grogu]

I am missing out on group buys it looks like.
Was it the 100 tirzepitide?

Would have been sweet if it was T100, but it was only T60. But still, I had 2 kits in that order and a couple of folks in the group had substantially more. One said she was buying for "family and friends" and had 10 kits. All 10 kits were replaced.

 

[TeresaHip]

I have two US vendors I've bought a crap load from before leaping head first into GB. I never used it without the COA, and honestly, I'm concerned about total volume for mixing. It's nice most are including Endo. I have a pretty good bunch of places for GB now.TG is easy if I just stick with the groups I've joined. TG does suck for searching though.

You generally keep the GB stuff silent. That's why you see us abbreviate names.

Me.

Yes they like to be private for sure. So private I never hear about them. I do have a couple I constantly buy from.
Do you sell peptides? Whisper me your gb places. 🤣🤣

 

[BNLFL]

Do you sell peptides?

No, lol.

 

[desinr-gal]

these things are manufactured in chinese labs with no batching/lotting.

there is no reason to believe that any single vial chosen from a kit of 10 vials is the same batch/lot as the other 9 vials.

I regularly see people reporting issues with 1 vial in a kit but not the other 9. i have seen people test 2 vials from the same kit and have them come back with different concentrations, fillers and purity.

the moral of the story is, you are only testing the single vial itself and it doesnt reliably tell you anything about the other 9 in the kit but people still do it because it makes them feel safe.

Peter Magic of Janoshik stated on a podcast that about 1/25 vials he tests has no product in them only filler. he has seen virtually no vials contaminated with endotoxins because nothing except hgh is made through recombinant processes, all the other peptides can be manufactured less expensive with easier methods. nearly every peptide he tests is 95% plus purity.

so from a practical standpoint, unless if you are testing in volume it is likely you arent ever going to find anything concerning as a result of testing.

from a pragmatic standpoint, if you have the money and are willing to throw out your kits if you dont like how they test, then do it

In his last interview he said that there have been multiple high Endo tests recently..
as well as sudden increase in empty vials. ie No peptide at all.

 

[Upsi1234567]

What's the conclusion?

 

[AngieHolmes]

I am super new, am a little nervous/cautious and am pro-testing, even though the cost is a bit prohibitive since I’m still learning and have yet to figure out group testing/group buys. On here and STG, testing seems to be the norm, but on a few peptide Discords I’m on, some of the people are very cavalier about it and are surprised I’m going to fork out almost $700 to run a few tests before using. The biggest argument against testing I’ve seen is that You never know if the vial being tested (either in private or group tests) actually corresponds to/ reflects the vials you’ll use for research (I’ve heard a lot of people on either side of the testing fence say vendor batch numbers/cap colors are kind of useless). Others rely on vendor tests that have links to the testing site for verification and are fine with that.

If you don’t test, are these your reasons or do you have others? Have you ever had a bad or null reaction compared to what you were expecting to get? I’m not being judgy, I’m just curious!

I'm like you, on my own and unwilling to inject "whatever." I got results from the first testing I've done and on a vial of TR15, the report said "ND" (no tirzepatide detected). I've had vendors send me Janoshik results from months ago, which feel worthless to me.

I'm in the process of sending out 4 more vials. Reading here I realize people dislike certain labs but I'm not sure why. So, yet another gamble in figuring out where to send them. Best of luck to you!

 

[Pocket]

I just feel like testing keeps the vendors on their toes, at least. Otherwise they will be cutting corners left and right, though they already probably do, it would be far, far worse.

For me its this. I will pin without testing, but I will contribute to tests and groups that test because it helps keep the manufacturers and vendors honest. Yes, it is in their best interest to keep their customers happy, but without us verifying that we are getting exactly what we are buying, they could start cutting corners left and right.

 

[lessthanhalf]

I think if you have the disposable income for testing it is a no brainer, does not reduce the risk to zero, but a lot. I think buying from random tiktok sellers likely has pretty high rates of no drug inside, there are papers showing this. But the sellers on here I think are less likely to do that as they will get found out fairly reliably. Getting no drug is not ideal, but getting the wrong one could be a serious problem, but I do not really see a good motivation for sellers to do this, if you want to rip customers off, just send nothing and keep the money, then send vials with no drug, sending the wrong ones makes the least sense.

I figure my risks of dying or serious illness from putting back on a pile of weight is at least 10-40% over the next decade, so risks from grey peptides causing similar levels of damage are at worst an order of magnitude or more likely 100 x lower or better than putting lots of weight back on, and I cannot afford the original versions. If taking them drops these risks by a factor of 2 to 5 then I am happy enough to accept those extra risks from grey peptides.

Getting very specific dose dependent side effects from tirz like tinnitus getting louder and patchy skin sensitivity from either reta or tirz makes it super easy to tell the drug is in the vial.

 

[laf0106]

Yeah I haven't tested anything yet. So I hope I'm getting some good stuff

 

[bbbilly]

i always test. currently waiting on 2 right now to come back. i mainly just want to know endo and the conformity to have a better idea of the dose and total endo load from everything i take. sure endo from one peptide probably wont be that high, or well within safety ranges but what happens when you are taking a stack of shots everyday? it can add up, and i just like to know that everything is what it says it is otherwise whats stopping you from just trusting joe shmo selling you a single vial in the dennys parking lot?

also i always hate how the argument is that its so expensive. yet we are here doing all this research to vet the vendors we like, but you are too lazy to do the same to find a testing group to split that cost? doesn't make sense to me. especially when they say "you only know what's in that 1 vial" ya that's true and I'm sure the batch runs are huge. but when you have a 5 vial test from different people ordering the same batch at different times and all 5 vials come back at +/- 2% fill volume, purity and endo levels at least you have a basic rough view of what is supposed to be the same batch. could a random kit be swapped with a nopep kit? sure but at least you have a 10,000 foot view of what you should have in your hands.

don't even get me started on the survivorship bias from the people like "i use to do all these drugs and i survived" what about the people that didn't? the ones that did their first hit of {insert recreational drug of choice} and they didn't come out the other end like you? i took many a supplements back in the day that came from the shelves of GNC and i fucked up my heart from them. and that wasnt even some mystery powder from "big steve" that was a popular pre workout that had high reviews, but wasn't tested and had some synthetic meth like chemical that was killing people.