Nexaph testing

[MiniatureSnail]

I'll just quote stairmaster1 directly so i don't screw up the details again. If anyone knows if there is a policy against this let me know and I'll remove. Also edited the name of the individual Cain tried to influence so as not to doxx anyone.

Again, I really appreciate Stairmaster1 taking this seriously, especially with the number of newer people he's mentoring, having a zero tolerance policy for this stuff and explaining why its unacceptable is huge plus to the larger grey market peptide world.

While this does provide more context, I still do not understand how someone (Person X, in this case) could directly affect the results of a group test if they are not the one collecting the vials and never handled them (which, it sounds like in this situation, she didn't).

If everyone involved in the group test sends their vials directly to the lab, but Person X just helps facilitate by making a spreadsheet and organizing funds - how does that at all change what the test results will be?

Even if Person X was being supplied known high quality samples to contribute, that one vial would still be an outlier of the batch as a whole didn't test well.

What am I missing here?

 

[YoYoFat]

I'll just quote stairmaster1 directly so i don't screw up the details again. If anyone knows if there is a policy against this let me know and I'll remove. Also edited the name of the individual Cain tried to influence so as not to doxx anyone.

Again, I really appreciate Stairmaster1 taking this seriously, especially with the number of newer people he's mentoring, having a zero tolerance policy for this stuff and explaining why its unacceptable is huge plus to the larger grey market peptide world.

Stairmaster has walked back some of his original hysterics about this, but his characterization of Cain being willing to pay for the group tests coordinated by someone else with vials randomly selected and sent by customers directly to the testing company as the greatest scandal of the month is a bit much.

Cain is willing to pay for group tests. Beyond that, he has no involvement.

 

[YoYoFat]

While this does provide more context, I still do not understand how someone (Person X, in this case) could directly affect the results of a group test if they are not the one collecting the vials and never handled them (which, it sounds like in this situation, she didn't).

If everyone involved in the group test sends their vials directly to the lab, but Person X just helps facilitate by making a spreadsheet and organizing funds - how does that at all change what the test results will be?

Even if Person X was being supplied known high quality samples to contribute, that one vial would still be an outlier of the batch as a whole didn't test well.

What am I missing here?

You’re not missing anything. We sent vials directly to the lab ourselves. The benefit is that none of us had to pay for it.

 

[YoYoFat]

Regarding the tirzepatidehelp issue, Cain was caught having a company rep infiltrating their 3rd party testing to manipulate it in his favor. This is a huge problem and to his credit, Stairmaster took this very seriously and addressed the issue.

This is a bald faced lie. Please, let’s do better than fling wild accusations like this around.

Manipulate?? How?? By paying for group tests coordinated by someone else, where that person has folks who volunteer send their vials directly to the labs themselves?

How does that manipulate anything??

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

@YoYoFat what is your opinion on toothpaste efficacy studies funded by Colgate out of curiosity?

 

[MiniatureSnail]

You’re not missing anything. We sent vials directly to the lab ourselves. The benefit is that none of us had to pay for it.

Then I don't understand what the problem is.

Lots of vendors offer to pay for the cost of the group test for GBs after the product is sent out and volunteers are chosen.

Not defending Cain/Nexa in general, to be clear. But this particular situation seems like they didn't do anything that other vendors don't also do and SM1 crucified them for it on TG.

So what someone affiliated with the vendor helped organize the test on paper? Literally so the fuck what? As long as everyone didn't also send their vials to that person so that that person could switch them all out for a known well tested batch (which didn't happen here) to manipulate the test results, then what was the wrong doing here?

Not sure SM1 frequents here as often but maybe someone but maybe someone should tag him? Because this is all sounding insane.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

@YoYoFat what is your opinion on toothpaste efficacy studies funded by Colgate out of curiosity?

That's not the same thing unless Colgate also owns or can otherwise control the person/lab who is putting out the results.

Editing for clarity:

Colgate can fund all the studies they want, and as long as they're not manipulating the people doing the studies, who cares who pays for it?

 

[mopo89]

Then I don't understand what the problem is.

Lots of vendors offer to pay for the cost of the group test for GBs after the product is sent out and volunteers are chosen.

Not defending Cain/Nexa in general, to be clear. But this particular situation seems like they didn't do anything that other vendors don't also do and SM1 crucified them for it on TG.

So what someone affiliated with the vendor helped organize the test on paper? Literally so the fuck what? As long as everyone didn't also send their vials to that person so that that person could switch them all out for a known well tested batch (which didn't happen here) to manipulate the test results, then what was the wrong doing here?

Not sure SM1 frequents here as often but maybe someone but maybe someone should tag him? Because this is all sounding insane.

i have no skin in this game because afaik, Nexaph does not ship to Canada, and in any case, I haven't ordered from them.

I am also a bit confused by this person being recruited by Cain. But on the other hand, I'm equally as confused as to why he approached anyone... just let the testing servers do what they do. Why does he need to be involved in any way?

 

[penewbie]

Personally I just dig all the drama.

This is better than celebrity gossip.

 

[Kjm1960]

That explains why I got an email yesterday from Nexa with shipping confirmation and I was confused because I hadn’t ordered anything. I do recall using the Tirz 10 I got from them and when I went to recon a new vial I reached for a different vendors batch because it seemed weak to me. I gave my virgin RS the Nexa since they wouldn’t know the difference and they are doing well with it and losing so it can’t be too bad.

I got my tracking for replacement, should have it Friday.

 

[YoYoFat]

i have no skin in this game because afaik, Nexaph does not ship to Canada, and in any case, I haven't ordered from them.

I am also a bit confused by this person being recruited by Cain. But on the other hand, I'm equally as confused as to why he approached anyone... just let the testing servers do what they do. Why does he need to be involved in any way?

He’s paying for the tests, paying the testing company. So he needs to know that vials were sent, how many, what they’re being tested for.

But equating that to manipulation is really nuts.

 

[YoYoFat]

Keep in mind that one of the first vendors SM recommends when newbies ask for domestics or single vials is Royal Peptides aka Cantydes and he knows they’re one and the same.

So that should speak for itself about… something.

 

[mopo89]

He’s paying for the tests, paying the testing company. So he needs to know that vials were sent, how many, what they’re being tested for.

But equating that to manipulation is really nuts.

is this not similar to how GBs are run by vendors? now I'm not understanding why any of this is a big deal, but i do live for drama as well.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

That's not the same thing unless Colgate also owns or can otherwise control the person/lab who is putting out the results.

Editing for clarity:

Colgate can fund all the studies they want, and as long as they're not manipulating the people doing the studies, who cares who pays for it?

OK I'll break it down for you, but my money is on you being unable to be convinced no matter the strength of the argument.

First, the appearance of potential for conflict of interest isn't nothing. Think Justice Thomas's lavish trips paid for by billionaires. The body that is evaluating fairness ought not be taking money from parties that stand to gain from the result, this is basic stuff. Eroding trust in the third party testing process only gives the vendor more power -- what good is a third party test that is percieved not to be any more trustworthy than the vendor supplied one?

Second, and related, the person organizing the test does indeed have a lot of power. For them to be a representative of the company being tested opens up space for shenanigans. How do the donors get selected, for example? Can that be manipulated? Who recieves the test? Is it possible for them to intercept and redo a bad test? Group buys have been busted for this, why couldn't your man baba?

Third, have you considered what baba's interest is here? Why would he want to fund testing? Why he chose to do it behind closed doors? Do you believe it is because he is concerned about your safety? If so, sorry to tell ya, it goes under his marketing budget, not his quality assurance budget. A platform has every right not to want to be treated as a billboard for unscrupulous suppliers, and it is unethical for them to try to circumvent this. Another example of unethical behavior from this vendor.

Finally, this is all a distraction from other issues. OK fine, you are ok with them secretly working with the test facilitator (you shouldn't be), let's not lose sight of them using novel fillers on unknowing customers who are injecting something that has not been tested and turns out to have uncertain interactions with the meds. This is no joke, these are injectable drugs he is fucking around with.

 

[MiniatureSnail]

Keep in mind that one of the first vendors SM recommends when newbies ask for domestics or single vials is Royal Peptides aka Cantydes and he knows they’re one and the same.

So that should speak for itself about… something.

Yeah that is wild to me. It was such a good move to give that vendor enough rope to hang themselves here instead of deleting everything because now people can go see exactly what brand of crazy that person is.

To vilify Nexa under the context of honestly but NOT Cantydes just does not compute.

 

[YoYoFat]

is this not similar to how GBs are run by vendors? now I'm not understanding why any of this is a big deal, but i do live for drama as well.

Correct. I’m not understanding, either.

 

[YoYoFat]

Yeah that is wild to me. It was such a good move to give that vendor enough rope to hang themselves here instead of deleting everything because now people can go see exactly what brand of crazy that person is.

To vilify Nexa under the context of honestly but NOT Cantydes just does not compute.

Sooooooooo glad I was able to read Cantydes stuff here. Like, legit scary.

And the difference between how Cain and Cantydes responded to questions is like apples and hand grenades. Many grew to respect Cain because of how he’s handled issues and questions. I know I was one of them.

 

[beefsteak]

Sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with this dude? Running a profitable peptide business isn't rocket science. You buy product from a reputable manufacturer or distributor, pay for some tests to confirm quantity (and where relevant sterility), then sell for cost + profit to people with some nice stickers on it.

That's the ENTIRE business model.

There's no need to do all of this weird shit. Cain appears to be an actual pathological liar

Anyway, someone should probably let the folks on the other forum know. Probably not me since I think the gator may be mad at me. @DwightTheDelight, @milos, @Bacchus, you all are in good standing. Any one of you want to take one for the team?



Yeah but he still tried it which is a problem on its own.

Pretty sure the other forum is sponsored by Cain. They suck cains pp so hard over there it's not even funny.

 

[YoYoFat]

OK I'll break it down for you, but my money is on you being unable to be convinced no matter the strength of the argument.

First, the appearance of potential for conflict of interest isn't nothing. Think Justice Thomas's lavish trips paid for by billionaires. The body that is evaluating fairness ought not be taking money from parties that stand to gain from the result, this is basic stuff. Eroding trust in the third party testing process only gives the vendor more power -- what good is a third party test that is percieved not to be any more trustworthy than the vendor supplied one?

Second, and related, the person organizing the test does indeed have a lot of power. For them to be a representative of the company being tested opens up space for shenanigans. How do the donors get selected, for example? Can that be manipulated? Who recieves the test? Is it possible for them to intercept and redo a bad test? Group buys have been busted for this, why couldn't your man baba?

Third, have you considered what baba's interest is here? Why would he want to fund testing? Why he chose to do it behind closed doors? Do you believe it is because he is concerned about your safety? If so, sorry to tell ya, it goes under his marketing budget, not his quality assurance budget. A platform has every right not to want to be treated as a billboard for unscrupulous suppliers, and it is unethical for them to try to circumvent this. Another example of unethical behavior from this vendor.

Finally, this is all a distraction from other issues. OK fine, you are ok with them secretly working with the test facilitator (you shouldn't be), let's not lose sight of them using novel fillers on unknowing customers who are injecting something that has not been tested and turns out to have uncertain interactions with the meds. This is no joke, these are injectable drugs he is fucking around with.

Your condescension knows no bounds, it’s really something.

The person organizing the test volunteered to collect names and lists of vials to keep them straight (several different peps and batches being tested). Those vials were sent directly by customers who volunteered to the lab, Peptide Test. In other words, random people volunteered to send in a vial and put them in bubble mailers and sent to PT. PT does the tests. Cain pays for the tests. Tests are available to those of us who purchased a given batch first, then released to the commuting writ large. JUST LIKE A GB. How can that be manipulated by the vendor?

It can’t be.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Pretty sure the other forum is sponsored by Cain. They suck cains pp so hard over there it's not even funny.

His marketing stuff is really effective if you don’t understand that you’re looking at a sales pitch. That perspective transforms his little giveaway from a commercial into a public service, and they eat that shit up over there.