Nexaph testing

This is false, Jano never advised against giving it to customers. He said he would advise me against using it in formulations just because they wont be able to test it right as its not a common excipient they are used to testing. That is the reason why i had to send them a sample of the histidine so they can test it properly against their own tests.

Either way, histidine was never used with GLP's. It is used with Tesamorelin and will continue to be used with that as we have found Tesamorelin is most stable with histidine as its buffer along with mannitol and sucrose.
How are you right at the top of dinosys list of green vendors with so many complaints against you? I smell some high level corruption going on here … I have his list with me and you are listed right at the top as number 1 on his list and all new comers would view that as the most trusted vendor on the list. What a load of croc … you paid to be number one on that list …
 
How are you right at the top of dinosys list of green vendors with so many complaints against you? I smell some high level corruption going on here … I have his list with me and you are listed right at the top as number 1 on his list and all new comers would view that as the most trusted vendor on the list. What a load of croc … you paid to be number one on that list …
Dude, as you told me once, stfu. Let Cain, bee, and note talk this out without idiots jumping in throwing trash like this into the mix.

This is above our pay grade and I feel like we are getting good info, so just let it play out
 
Dude, as you told me once, stfu. Let Cain, bee, and note talk this out without idiots jumping in throwing trash like this into the mix.

This is above our pay grade and I feel like we are getting good info, so just let it play out
Go live in communist china then censor me u d1khed. I live in a free country and I will speak my mind. You dont like it just piss off. No one asked you to comment.
 
Go live in communist china then censor me u d1khed. I live in a free country and I will speak my mind. You dont like it just piss off. No one asked you to comment.
Yeah, I know, I just want non neanderthals to sort this out and we are both idiots, so don't derail this conversation. Let them work it out.
 
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Dude you are such an idiot. Do you think this is some novel info? Everyone knows that he is at the top of the spreadsheet. We are past that and trying to get to the bottom of this new info.

Let them do just that. Cain isn't going to sit in this forum just getting blasted by everyone, so just let them talk please, so we can get decent info out of this
 
How are you right at the top of dinosys list of green vendors with so many complaints against you? I smell some high level corruption going on here … I have his list with me and you are listed right at the top as number 1 on his list and all new comers would view that as the most trusted vendor on the list. What a load of croc … you paid to be number one on that list …
Show me a list of complaints by actual customers, all of these "complaints" are from non customers. Ask these "complainers" for receipts of purchase.
 
Show me a list of complaints by actual customers, all of these "complaints" are from non customers. Ask these "complainers" for receipts of purchase.
Please just block him and continue on with the other concerns, Cain.

No chance he is your customer or a future customer and like a 90% he is cantydes.
 
Look how dinosys tried to lure me into his forums …

Dwight is his best side buddy. Until he got me banned cause I abused his bf…
This is a forum about GLP1 medications, similar peptides/meds, and the vendors that sell them.

It's not a forum about other forums about GLP1 medications, similar peptides/meds, and the vendors that sell them.
 
Please just block him and continue on with the other concerns, Cain.

No chance he is your customer or a future customer and like a 90% he is cantydes.

There is a thing called "potential customers".

So far many of us have overlooked issues from the past. I'm actually a customer, just not in this round.

I think you two should get a room personally.....
 
This is exhausting from the people that try to stir up drama around my company, its always the same people around it. If you cannot see that, i don't know what to tell you.

Degradation showed up in the Reta batch, after said degradation showed up i replaced the batch. What more do you want?

I have never denied that you, more than any other vendor, are placed under an unusual amount of scrutiny. While that might not be fair (and i'm sure it's personally upsetting), in context it does make sense.

Back to my questions about the product issue.

Based on what you've currently said the poor test results were caused by incorrectly manufactured peptides (which you replaced at no cost).

- Did the manufacturer confirm this? Can you show us correspondence that would prove that?
- Is this the same manufacturer who caused failed sterility tests earlier in the year?
- Are you currently still working with them?
- If yes to the question above, what was the root cause of the issue, and what steps have they taken to ensure this won't happen again?
 
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There is a thing called "potential customers".

So far many of us have overlooked issues from the past. I'm actually a customer, just not in this round.

I think you two should get a room personally.....
I would just like Cain to remain on topic about the concerns that were brought up earlier, that are somewhat new and personally affect me. Do you think there is anyone who doesn't already know that Cain is at the top of gator's list at this point? It's old news.

I just want the people who know more about this situation than myself and this other idiot to continue the conversation.
 
I would just like Cain to remain on topic about the concerns that were brought up earlier, that are somewhat new and personally affect me. Do you think there is anyone who doesn't already know that Cain is at the top of gator's list at this point? It's old news.

I just want the people who know more about this situation than myself and this other idiot to continue the conversation.

Cain is a business person... I think he can remain on topic without the support...

But now you have the "Streisand Effect" going on.... trying to keep it quiet just generates more noise.
 
Hi everyone, going to try to address as many of the concerns that i have seen in this thread as i can.

What fillers are used in our formulations:
We currently use either one or a combination of the following: mannitol, sorbitol, sucrose and trehalose. Histidine is currently only being used in Tesamorelin because of degradation worries. Tesamorelin has a tendency to degrade if not buffered properly hence the reason we use histidine. Histidine was used because that is what the FDA approved version of Tesamorelin used (egrifta).
Any formulation we make, you can directly ask me for the excipients used and ill be happy to answer that. I don't think any other vendor has that knowledge or can even tell you because they aren't directly involved in the manufacturing process. Saying mannitol is the only excipient used for any of these Chinese vendors or other vendors is completely false, mannitol only generally does not protect the peptide and you would have seen many other issues if that was the case.

Third party testing:
We do pay for third party testing for the peptides we sell, i believe this is normal practice among vendors. If this is not the case, please correct me. As for Michelle "infiltrating" and being an "agent" for me, this is absolutely ridiculous. She helps in organizing random donors for third party testing that is getting sent directly to the testing lab. This organizing is done for my telegram group and not for any other group outside of it. I didn't even know she was part of a group that does third party testing till SM1 made that ridiculous statement about me manipulating. Honestly these claims are just ridiculous and below the belt. We are trying to do right by our customers by paying for their third party testing and to reduce the burden of cost to them. Other than that we are not involved in any way.

Lastly:
I'm sorry to all my customers that have to deal with ridiculous claims made by these types of people that have nothing better to do than to drag a vendor because they have a grudge against them. I am not active on these forums anymore because of issues like this but am very active in my telegram community. So please if anyone has any concerns they can contact me on telegram or ask in the telegram channels so i can answer them directly.
Where no one will question your products or integrity…or will get promptly booted if they do. 🙄
 
Cain is a business person... I think he can remain on topic without the support...

But now you have the "Streisand Effect" going on.... trying to keep it quiet just generates more noise.
I'm in the unique position of being accused of being anti nexa by someone in the other forum today and being indirectly accused of being pro nexa by you.

The truth is I'm pro ME. I have bought a kit and I just want to know if I can fucking use it. I feel like if Cain just keeps getting jumped on by everyone here, we will never get the answers, because he could just wash his hands of this forum.

If bee, Cain, and a few other people with deeper knowledge of this situation can keep talking somewhat civilly, we can all benefit from it.
 
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I'm in the unique position of being accused of being anti nexa by someone in the other forum today and being indirectly accused of being pro nexa by you.

I have bought a kit and I just want to know if I can fucking use it. I feel like if Cain just keeps getting jumped on by everyone here, we will never get the answers, because he could just wash his hands of this forum.

If bee, Cain, and a few other people with deeper knowledge of this situation can keep talking somewhat civially, we can all benefit from it.
Funny that … you are the troll under the bridge and yet you fail to realise it???

Every single thread you enter, you derail it like a runaway train with the train driver smoking crack on the job …
 
Look how dinosys tried to lure me into his forums …

Dwight is his best side buddy. Until he got me banned cause I abused his bf…
I was a little upset that I had to join Alligator's site (which is a fine site) in order to access Alligator's list of Chinese vendors. I then had to post enough to be able to access it. I then made a bunch of stupid posts (stupider than what I post here). As a result, I can access Alligator's Chinese vendors list. I'm a little surprised that a person who is called Alligator is depicted by a picture of a crocodile with a top hat on. You can tell that it's a crocodile by the visible teeth with the animal's mouth closed. Still I put up with that because I view Alligator, aka dionysos, as providing valuable information. Also, on his own site, the person known as Alligator goes by Crocodie. That indicates to me that Alligator has done some serious introspection about his identity and has realized that he is a crocodile as opposed to an alligator.
 
I'm in the unique position of being accused of being anti nexa by someone in the other forum today and being indirectly accused of being pro nexa by you.

The truth is I'm pro ME. I have bought a kit and I just want to know if I can fucking use it. I feel like if Cain just keeps getting jumped on by everyone here, we will never get the answers, because he could just wash his hands of this forum.

If bee, Cain, and a few other people with deeper knowledge of this situation can keep talking somewhat civilly, we can all benefit from it.

Not sure how you inferred that I accused you of being pro nexa... I said you and Treehugger should get a room. Maybe you thought I was talking about Cain?

I mean I was pro Nexa... Still might be after all this... The water is pretty muddy here... but I think that if they can emerge from this better and stronger than before. More power to them!

I'm not usually the "grab a pitchfork" kind of guy wanting to character assassinate the next person that colors outside the lines. Who knows why they choose a different filler? Improvement sounds like the answer from Cain.

Anyway, it's all good. Cain will get it sorted out. Sorry you've got a kit on it with question marks. Gives me Amopure vibes tbh....
 
I was a little upset that I had to join Alligator's site (which is a fine site) in order to access Alligator's list of Chinese vendors. I then had to post enough to be able to access it. I then made a bunch of stupid posts (stupider than what I post here). As a result, I can access Alligator's Chinese vendors list. I'm a little surprised that a person who is called Alligator is depicted by a picture of a crocodile with a top hat on. You can tell that it's a crocodile by the visible teeth with the animal's mouth closed. Still I put up with that because I view Alligator, aka dionysos, as providing valuable information. Also, on his own site, the person known as Alligator goes by Crocodie. That indicates to me that Alligator has done some serious introspection about his identity and has realized that he is a crocodile as opposed to an alligator.
Just to add to the complexity of your analysis "Cocodrie" is Cajun French for Alligator. This despite the fact that it is Parisian French for Crocodile.
 
Just to add to the complexity of your analysis "Cocodrie" is Cajun French for Alligator. This despite the fact that it is Parisian French for Crocodile.
At least they both within the same reptilian order, crocodylia, with crocodiles belonging to the crocodylidae family and alligators belonging to the alligatordae famioly. When I was in Paris, I didn't see any member of crocodylia order, however, I was only there for about 5 hours.
 
I have never denied that you, more than any other vendor, are placed under an unusual amount of scrutiny. While that might not be fair (and i'm sure it's personally upsetting), in context it does make sense.

Back to my questions about the product issue.

Based on what you've currently said the poor test results were caused by incorrectly manufactured peptides (which you replaced at no cost).

- Did the manufacturer confirm this? Can you show us correspondence that would prove that?
- Is this the same manufacturer who caused failed sterility tests earlier in the year?
- Are you currently still working with them?
- If yes to the question above, what was the root cause of the issue, and what steps have they taken to ensure this won't happen again?

In addition to the questions above^, I think we'd all appreciate an explanation of the screenshot below @Cain_SPC

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This message says you used histidine in Reta…
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I had to ask the oracle about Histidine vs Mannitol excipients.

Histidine

  • Type: Amino acid
  • Primary Use: Buffering agent
    • Histidine is commonly used to maintain the pH of a solution within a stable range, particularly in injectable drugs or biologics.
  • Advantages:
    • Provides excellent buffering capacity at physiological pH (~6-7).
    • Compatible with many proteins and peptides, minimizing degradation.
    • Reduces oxidative stress in formulations, often protecting sensitive molecules.
  • Limitations:
    • Limited solubility at high concentrations.
    • May not provide other stabilizing effects beyond pH control.

Mannitol

  • Type: Sugar alcohol (polyol)
  • Primary Use: Bulking agent, cryoprotectant, or stabilizer
    • Used in freeze-dried (lyophilized) formulations or as an osmotically active agent in tablets and injectable drugs.
  • Advantages:
    • Enhances stability during freeze-drying and long-term storage.
    • Provides structure to lyophilized cakes.
    • Improves isotonicity in parenteral formulations.
  • Limitations:
    • Does not act as a buffer; typically combined with a separate buffering agent like histidine.
    • Hygroscopic (absorbs moisture), which can affect stability if not stored properly.

Combination Use

In some formulations, histidine and mannitol are used together. For instance:

  • Histidine serves as the buffer.
  • Mannitol provides structural integrity and stabilization, especially in freeze-dried formulations or for long-term storage.
Their complementary roles ensure the drug remains effective, stable, and safe for administration.
 
Show me a list of complaints by actual customers, all of these "complaints" are from non customers. Ask these "complainers" for receipts of purchase.
Only been a customer of Nex for a few months now, but what I've received has been fantastic, the service is fantastic. The amount of toxicity towards Cain after reading everything and having my own experience is just silly. I mean is this just other vendors alienating? Yeah yeah...I'm a new account but would be glad to share my social media profiles to show I'm not some alt. If you don't want to use Nex then don't but stop the bullshit exaggerating about them because your life sucks so bad you need to be jaggoff on the internet.
 
Only been a customer of Nex for a few months now, but what I've received has been fantastic, the service is fantastic. The amount of toxicity towards Cain after reading everything and having my own experience is just silly. I mean is this just other vendors alienating? Yeah yeah...I'm a new account but would be glad to share my social media profiles to show I'm not some alt. If you don't want to use Nex then don't but stop the bullshit exaggerating about them because your life sucks so bad you need to be jaggoff on the internet.
Not concerned about the shillery on your first post but walking in calling the forum members jagoffs isn’t the best way to be taken seriously.

Welcome im sure you’re going to fit right in.
 
Only been a customer of Nex for a few months now, but what I've received has been fantastic, the service is fantastic. The amount of toxicity towards Cain after reading everything and having my own experience is just silly. I mean is this just other vendors alienating? Yeah yeah...I'm a new account but would be glad to share my social media profiles to show I'm not some alt. If you don't want to use Nex then don't but stop the bullshit exaggerating about them because your life sucks so bad you need to be jaggoff on the internet.
What is being exaggerated specifically?
 
Can cain address why:

1. he went from small moq that were in stock on the website and pre vendor tested

to

2. Mostly prebuys that won't get vendor tested until after the product is received.

This shift in methodology does cause me somewhat concern that nexaph actually does not own a finishing operation or is a manufacturer. Instead, it makes me think nexaph is a reseller who simply has close relationships with suppliers in CN that allow custom orders/wholesale pricing. The only logical reason to do a group buy instead would be cash flow problems. I'm sure the answer will probably be to "dial in supply quantities", but that could easily be done with a poll/survey without getting money upfront.

Most vendors are resellers anyway, so not a big deal in my book. Just looking for the truth.

And yes cain, I am a former and current customer. You know that. Not trying to start a witch hunt. Just curious.
 
It all makes sense once you stop believing he's a manufacturer and start believing he's a group buy reseller. He has no idea what goes into his products.
Not knowing what is in his products is his entire defense against the histidine fiasco, where he said without hesitation that it was in the reta multiple times and then said oooopsy dooopsy lol nm it was just lousy process. Obviously he isn’t in control of the manufacturing.
 
Can cain address why:

1. he went from small moq that were in stock on the website and pre vendor tested

to

2. Mostly prebuys that won't get vendor tested until after the product is received.

This shift in methodology does cause me somewhat concern that nexaph actually does not own a finishing operation or is a manufacturer. Instead, it makes me think nexaph is a reseller who simply has close relationships with suppliers in CN that allow custom orders/wholesale pricing. The only logical reason to do a group buy instead would be cash flow problems. I'm sure the answer will probably be to "dial in supply quantities", but that could easily be done with a poll/survey without getting money upfront.

Most vendors are resellers anyway, so not a big deal in my book. Just looking for the truth.

And yes cain, I am a former and current customer. You know that. Not trying to start a witch hunt. Just curious.
I've stated multiple times that our production capacity isn't huge and that we are currently in the process of expanding. This is the reason most of the items currently are pre orders. There is a difference between pre orders and group buys. When the product is scheduled to be produced, we open up the pre orders to a certain amount of kits that are being produced, once they run out they run out. I think you have seen the uptick in demand in our products and can understand why we are doing this model instead currently. I don't see this as an issue because we back our products anyways, so if any issues do arise we address them and re ship them.
 
For the people asking about the Reta histidine:

Yes i assumed at first that it had histidine since when Jano emailed me stating there is an issue with the testing and an unknown filler had been used, i assumed it was histidine since the other samples that were sent in at the same time did have it. This is why i sent in a sample of the histidine to be tested against it. After confirmation from Jano that histidine was not present in the Reta, we went ahead and re produced the batch and sent it out to everyone.
 
There's a nice trick to see how much stock he has. Add an in stock product to your cart and set the quantity to 999, it'll automatically adjust to available stock.

His prebuys are infinite stock, so he collects the money and then places the order with whatever chinese vendor he uses. His margins most of the them are less than $100 but more than $50. Probably racking up at least 30k a month flipping chinese peptides.
 
There's a nice trick to see how much stock he has. Add an in stock product to your cart and set the quantity to 999, it'll automatically adjust to available stock.

His prebuys are infinite stock, so he collects the money and then places the order with whatever chinese vendor he uses. His margins most of the them are less than $100 but more than $50. Probably racking up at least 30k a month flipping chinese peptides.
Yes because doing a pre order and then shipping it out the same week gives me enough time to do all that.

Another non customer that doesn't know what they are talking about.
 
There's a nice trick to see how much stock he has. Add an in stock product to your cart and set the quantity to 999, it'll automatically adjust to available stock.

His prebuys are infinite stock, so he collects the money and then places the order with whatever chinese vendor he uses. His margins most of the them are less than $100 but more than $50. Probably racking up at least 30k a month flipping chinese peptides.
I personally don't care about this portion of the argument, because I'd pay a bit more to get what I want easily and quickly. They are good at that.

I'm more concerned with the safety of the batches that were sent out. I apologize if this has been talked about already and I missed it, did we ever figure out what was causing the purity issues of the first batches if histidine wasn't the issue?
 
Yes because doing a pre order and then shipping it out the same week gives me enough time to do all that.

Another non customer that doesn't know what they are talking about.
You should have enough liquidity now have stock on hand. The prebuy is just buying time for slow processing times and avoid customer complaints. And international express shipments takes less than 3 days in the event you do exceed your inventory.
 
Only been a customer of Nex for a few months now, but what I've received has been fantastic, the service is fantastic. The amount of toxicity towards Cain after reading everything and having my own experience is just silly. I mean is this just other vendors alienating? Yeah yeah...I'm a new account but would be glad to share my social media profiles to show I'm not some alt. If you don't want to use Nex then don't but stop the bullshit exaggerating about them because your life sucks so bad you need to be jaggoff on the internet.
Thank you.
 
I personally don't care about this portion of the argument, because I'd pay a bit more to get what I want easily and quickly. They are good at that.

I'm more concerned with the safety of the batches that were sent out. I apologize if this has been talked about already and I missed it, did we ever figure out what was causing the purity issues of the first batches if histidine wasn't the issue?
Most likely it was the actual freeze drying process. The process itself is complicated and if any missteps happen it can cause issues. Issues such as having too much residual moisture in the product.

Either way the old product can be tossed if you are not comfortable using it, the new product that shipped already has the testing available for it via the QR code on the package.
 
Sounds like we're working towards progress.

Cain's response was helpful.

Vendor testing is vendor testing. Usually if they pay for it, it includes the right to change the name on the test to the vendor. I guess the only real gotcha is, if Cain knows who's doing the testing, he could stack the deck to make sure they got good product, and swap out lower quality to the rest of the non-testers.

I think that's the real fly in the ointment, with Cain paying for testing @YoYoFat - it's too easy to stack the deck.

My only other mediation suggestion would be to stop calling Cain/Nexa/Nexaph/SPC the term "baba". It sounds derogatory.

*Only one weasel word was harmed in the making of this message.

Nope. Because he sends the product before we know who’s going to be sending in vials directly to the lab. He can only influence the testing by sending *everyone* good product. And what would be wrong with that? Eh?
 
IMHO - I'm a 3x customer of Nexa and I'm aware of the history. Cain offers some products as a "pre buy" at a heavily discounted price from other CN or GB sources. The price is increased when they are listed as in stock on the site which is a huge benefit to me. I have my own sheet of trending prices for various peps and sources. Personally, I know if I have an issue of any kind, Cain will work with me towards an acceptable solution. I think it's really a question of personal comfort level for all of us. He has a vested interest in ensuring the safety and efficacy of his products. I think we would be hard pressed to find any of the CN sources (Tracy, Alan, Lisa, Olina, Rebecca, etc.) answering questions Cain has answered. I'm a single mom working harder than an ugly stripper who just wants to be healthy and skinny so be nice y'all 🙃
 
IMHO - I'm a 3x customer of Nexa and I'm aware of the history. Cain offers some products as a "pre buy" at a heavily discounted price from other CN or GB sources. The price is increased when they are listed as in stock on the site which is a huge benefit to me. I have my own sheet of trending prices for various peps and sources. Personally, I know if I have an issue of any kind, Cain will work with me towards an acceptable solution. I think it's really a question of personal comfort level for all of us. He has a vested interest in ensuring the safety and efficacy of his products. I think we would be hard pressed to find any of the CN sources (Tracy, Alan, Lisa, Olina, Rebecca, etc.) answering questions Cain has answered. I'm a single mom working harder than an ugly stripper who just wants to be healthy and skinny so be nice y'all 🙃
I had never thought of that: An ugly stripper has to work harder than one who is better looking.
 
I see @Cain_SPC has decided to ignore me and my specific questions which I find deeply disappointing as someone who has defended them on this forum in the past, and who just last week released $1,000 dollars worth of positive 3rd party test results to the community on three different forums for free:


I also publicly endorsed their services in the FAQ I wrote that accompanied those results


He probably didn't know this because I'm not a schill and do not seek money or favors for my recommendations.

As a customer I actually do deserve answers to my questions, and if Cain isn't interested in providing them I can no longer in good faith recommend anyone use him, even as a backup option.
 
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